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Hi. Seems like I have found a fellow citizen of mine :) Regarding your edits in the article of [[Northern Cyprus]], I want to note something. Contributing to English Wikipedia means adopting to the place and using names which are well-established or considered by third-party users as neutral or on which we have a consensus. These are the cases in invasion, Apostolos Andreas and so forth. Even if one personally disagrees, they have to use that name. Insisting on changing them would be considered [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptive]]. So I would advise you to edit in this context. --[[User:Seksen iki yüz kırk beş|Seksen]] ([[User talk:Seksen iki yüz kırk beş|talk]]) 15:49, 9 June 2012 (UTC) |
Hi. Seems like I have found a fellow citizen of mine :) Regarding your edits in the article of [[Northern Cyprus]], I want to note something. Contributing to English Wikipedia means adopting to the place and using names which are well-established or considered by third-party users as neutral or on which we have a consensus. These are the cases in invasion, Apostolos Andreas and so forth. Even if one personally disagrees, they have to use that name. Insisting on changing them would be considered [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptive]]. So I would advise you to edit in this context. --[[User:Seksen iki yüz kırk beş|Seksen]] ([[User talk:Seksen iki yüz kırk beş|talk]]) 15:49, 9 June 2012 (UTC) |
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See [[Talk:History of the Falkland Islands]], please note I disagree with the comments there. [[User:Wee Curry Monster|Wee Curry Monster]] <small>[[User talk:Wee Curry Monster|talk]]</small> 14:35, 21 June 2012 (UTC) |
See [[Talk:History of the Falkland Islands]], please note I disagree with the comments there. [[User:Wee Curry Monster|Wee Curry Monster]] <small>[[User talk:Wee Curry Monster|talk]]</small> 14:35, 21 June 2012 (UTC) |
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Hi. [{{fullurl:Northern_Cyprus|diff=499309707&oldid=498901693}} Reinstating] an edit performed by an account that has just been indefinitely blocked as yet another in a long line of sockpuppets of a banned disruptive user is probably not a wise move. This edit has been undone (again), and I would strongly suggest that it would not be advisable for you to put it back — at least, not without addressing concerns over use of primary as opposed to secondary sources. You may wish to look at the article on [[Makarios III]], where this same event is (in my opinion) more properly cited using a secondary source (a mainstream newspaper report of Makarios's UN Security Council speech). Further behaviour like what you did just now is extremely likely to get you blocked from editing. — [[User:Richwales|<u>Rich</u>]][[User talk:Richwales|wales]] 17:19, 25 June 2012 (UTC) |
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:As an addendum to the above, I would strongly suggest that you should concentrate on the "discuss" part of WP:BRD. You've already done too much "bold" and "revert" activity on this point, and any more changing the article back to your preferred version without a clear indication of a consensus for such a change is going to be interpreted as a resumption of edit warring on your part. — [[User:Richwales|<u>Rich</u>]][[User talk:Richwales|wales]] 16:52, 10 July 2012 (UTC) |
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Naming
Hi. Seems like I have found a fellow citizen of mine :) Regarding your edits in the article of Northern Cyprus, I want to note something. Contributing to English Wikipedia means adopting to the place and using names which are well-established or considered by third-party users as neutral or on which we have a consensus. These are the cases in invasion, Apostolos Andreas and so forth. Even if one personally disagrees, they have to use that name. Insisting on changing them would be considered disruptive. So I would advise you to edit in this context. --Seksen (talk) 15:49, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
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Selamlar. Daha önce de belirttiğim gibi özellikle İngilizce Vikipedi'ye katkıda bulunmak için belirli şeyleri kabullenmek gerekiyor. Elbette ki kişisel olarak kabul ettiğimiz doğrular olduğumuz için, olayın taraflarından birine mensup olduğumuz için alışmak kolay değil. İtiraf etmeliyim ki benim için de kolay olmadı. Bu bağlamda Vikipedi'de bir şeyleri bu gereklilikten dolayı kabullenmek ile kişisel olarak kabullenmek arasında fark olduğunu belirtmek isterim. Kişisel olarak 74 harekatına "işgal" demezsiniz, ben de demem; ama buradayken kabullenmek zorundayım denilmesini. Nedenlerini bu uzuunca yazıda açıklayacağım :)
Vikipedi'de tarafsız bakış açısı dediğimiz bir kural var. Maddeleri buna uygun yazmak zorundayız. Bunu aşağıda açıklayacağım. Ayrıca madde adlarında ve içlerinde İngilizcedeki yaygın kullanımlar kullanılıyor. Zafer Burnu örneğinde İngilizcede yaygın olarak "Cape Apostolos Andreas" kullanıyor (Google Books aramaları bir fikir verebilir). Bu nedenle bu kullanılmak zorunda. Bu değiştirilebilecek bir durum değil. Bunu kabul etmemek bir şey getirmeyecektir.
Adlara fazla takılınmaması gerektiğini düşünüyorum ben. Kullanıcılara da. Karşımızdaki ister Rum olsun, ister üçüncü ülkeden biri, sunduğu argümanlara odaklanılmalı. Aksi halde üretken bir ortam oluşmaz, sonuç getirmeyen, kısır tartışmalara sürüklenilir. Eğer katılmadığımız bir fikirleri varsa bunu "sen Rumsun, onun için böyle yapıyorsun!" şeklinde değil, onun bakış açısını anlamaya çalışıp, olayın bir diğer tarafı daha olduğunu ve bu tarafın da görüşlerinin böyle olduğunu kabul edip ve bu görüşlere saygı gösterip, bunun ardından katılmadığımız noktaları kibarca dile getirerek ifade etmeliyiz. Değişikliğiniz geri alınırsa çok çok sebebini açıklayarak (ünlemlerden mümkün olduğunca kaçının) bir veya iki defa geri alın (dördüncüde değişiklik yapmanız engellenebilir), daha sonra tartışma sayfasına taşıyın. Vikipedi'de kişiler üzerine yorum yapmak hoş karşılanmaz. Bir önceki paragrafta tarafsız bakış açısından bahsetmiştim. Tabii sahip olduğunuz bakış açısına göre bunun yorumlanışı değişiyor. Yunanlı bir kullanıcı KKTC'deki bir yeri anlatırken uluslararası toplum tarafından işgal altında kabul edildiğine vurgu yapmak isteyebilir; ama Türk bir kullanıcı bu vurguya gerek olmadığını söyleyecektir. Bu durumlarda işte az önce söylediklerim çok önemli. Her iki tarafın da argümanlarının sunulduğu tartışmalarda genelde üçüncü parti kullanıcılar iki tarafın görüşlerini değerlendirerek tarafsız, tercihen herkes için kabul edilebilir bir çözüm bulmaya çalışıyor. "İşgal" olayında üçüncü parti kullanıcılar da tarafsız kullanıcılar bunun doğru kullanım olduğunu düşünüyor, bu daha önce tartışıldığı için defa defa gündeme getirilmesi hoş karşılanmıyor. Eğer üçüncü parti kullanıcılar yoksa kullanıcılar arasında (geçici de olsa) bir anlaşmaya varılarak (ki bu anlaşmaya varılamazsa genelde tartışmalı değişiklikten önceki sürüm oluyor, standart uygulama böyle) sorun çözülüyor.
Uzun lafın kısası, burada esas olan Vikipedi'nin savaş alanı olmadığını unutmamak, olayların diğer bakış açılarına saygı gösterip kibarca tartışabilmek ve yeri geldiğinde kişisel görüşlerimize uygun düşmese de bazı şeyleri kabul edebilmek. Bunlar unutulmadığında verim doğuyor, kazanan maddeler oluyor, kazanan Vikipedi oluyor.
Yardımcı olabildiysem ne mutlu bana. İleride de danışmaktan çekinmeyin lütfen. Eyi çalışmalar :)
--Seksen (talk) 19:47, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
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Hi. As I have said before, one need to accept things especially in order to be able to contribute to English Wikipedia. Of course as we all have our own truths, and as we belong to one of the sides of the dispute, it is not easy to adapt. To be honest, it was not easy for me either. In this context, I want to note that accepting something on Wikipedia and accepting something personally are different things. Personally, you might not call the operation in 1974 an "invasion", neither I do, but here you must accept it to be called an "invasion". I am going to explain why in this long, long message :)
There is a rule we call the neutral point of view in Wikipedia. We need to write articles in accordance to this. I will explain it further below. Furthermore, common names are used in article names or inside articles. In the case of Cape Victory, the common English usage is "Cape Apostolos Andreas" (Google Books search results might provide you with an idea). This means that this name has to be used. This is not something that can be changed. Not accepting this would not produce anything.
I think that one must not stick to names in Wikipedia. And neither to users. We can be talking to a Greek or a person from another country and descent, we need to focus on their arguments. If this is not done, a productive environment is not formed and this results in unproductive discussions. If they have an idea you disagree with, don't say, "oh, you are a Greek, that's why you are doing this!". Instead of this, try to understand his/her viewpoint, accept that there is another side to that discussion and that side thinks like that, and respect those views, and then express the points you do not agree with in a polite manner. If your edit is reverted, you may bring it back one of two times adequately explaining it reason (preferably without explanation marks), and then start a discussion in the talk page. Commenting on users is discouraged in Wikipedia. I have mentioned the neutral point of view in the previous paragraph. Of course, the way you perceive this depends on your viewpoint. A Greek user may like to stress the fact that it is considered to be occupied by the international community in an article about, say, a place in the TRNC, whereas a Turkish user would say that this emphasis is unnecessary. In these cases, what I have said is very important. In discussion where arguments of both sides are presented, third-party users are often involved in finding a neutral solution which would preferably satisfy everyone. In the case of "invasion", third-party users think that this is the correct use and as this issue has been discussed before, new attempts to discuss this naming are often not welcomed.
So, in short, what it important is not to forget that Wikipedia is not a battleground, to respect other points of view, to discuss in a polite manner and to be able to accept things even if we do not accept them in person. If these are remembered, the result is often productivity, and it is the articles and Wikipedia that wins.
I am glad if I have been helpful. Do not hesitate to ask should you have any questions. Have a nice night :)
--Seksen (talk) 19:47, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
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See Talk:History of the Falkland Islands, please note I disagree with the comments there. Wee Curry Monster talk 14:35, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
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