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::As you would rightly put it, the topic will most likely be forgotten by the time the film releases. But sometimes mishaps by the cast and crew have resulted in their film's premiere/release being affected. Remember Liam Person on ''[[Cold Pursuit]]''? Keep watch if that repeats here. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">[[User:Kailash29792|<b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b>]] [[User talk:Kailash29792|<span style="color: black;">(talk)</span>]] </span> 15:58, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
::As you would rightly put it, the topic will most likely be forgotten by the time the film releases. But sometimes mishaps by the cast and crew have resulted in their film's premiere/release being affected. Remember Liam Person on ''[[Cold Pursuit]]''? Keep watch if that repeats here. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">[[User:Kailash29792|<b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b>]] [[User talk:Kailash29792|<span style="color: black;">(talk)</span>]] </span> 15:58, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
:::Teue but in this case the controversy is from angry Hindu nationalists confusing Tom Holland for an author of the same name they mocked their leader, not something the actor said or did, like was the case with Person. I’m quite confident that the populace of India will realize they are different people and that the boycott will be long forgotten by the time the film comes out.--[[Special:Contributions/67.70.101.238|67.70.101.238]] ([[User talk:67.70.101.238|talk]]) 04:15, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

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Is Spider-Man 4 really in development?

Sony and Marvel has announced that Spider-Man will appear at least ONE solo film and ONE team up film many months ago but they did not say two more films for Spider-Man is coming.

They did not really say a fourth film is in development.Kohcohf (talk) 04:40, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Per our source, Sony began development on a fourth film after their split from Marvel. Just because the new deal does not include a fourth film yet does not mean that development has stopped. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:24, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Suggest that the "Future" section be elaborated on, as to say: "In August 2019, after failed negotiations between Marvel Studios and Sony led to a temporary split, Deadline reported that Sony was still interested in developing at least two sequels to Spider-Man: Far From Home with lead actor Tom Holland and Director Jon Watts, without the involvement of producer Kevin Feige or Marvel Studios. However, in September of that same year, Sony and Marvel Studios reached a new agreement to co-produce a third Spider-Man film, leaving the fate of a potential fourth film uncertain." RyanClarke00 (talk) 02:55, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 8 February 2021

Please remove the unsourced information in the, stating that a fourth Spider-Man film is also in production when, again, it is unsourced and hasn't been confirmed anywhere. 217.245.109.250 (talk) 19:18, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done The information is verifiably sourced and was confirmed by Sony with their initial split. Nothing has deconfirmed its development since. Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:23, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There is also literally a discussion about this topic right above this one. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:53, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Holland Denial of Maguire, Garfield

I'd just like to bring this up to other editors actively watching and editing this article that in an Esquire interview released today, Holland had this to say about the reports of Maguire and Garfield appearing, after talking about Marvel Studios' misdirection on prior films like Endgame: When I ask Holland about this possibility, he is suddenly positive he knows what he’s talking about. “No, no, they will not be appearing in this film,” he says firmly. “Unless they have hidden the most massive piece of information from me, which I think is too big of a secret for them to keep from me. But as of yet, no. It’ll be a continuation of the Spider-Man movies that we’ve been making.” I'm not too sure how we are to interpret this for this article and the information in it. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:14, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That does sound important. Even though he might be lying and actors in the MCU often do about the films, this is an explicit and unambiguous denial of their appearance. Whereas before he'd been ambiguous, saying things like "beats me, if they do they haven't told me", this sounds like a confirmation that they won't be appearing. I don't know if it's enough to simply remove the actors from the Production section and write it off as an already refuted rumor, but it's certainly seems worth mentioning. —El Millo (talk) 18:24, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nuke the content entirely. The Collider masked speculation should never have been in Wikipedia's voice in the first place. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 19:39, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Would that include removing Kirsten Dunst as well? Since it's the same report we're using for her appearance. —El Millo (talk) 19:47, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm honestly reading this as just a way for Holland to deflect speculation. If we include this, and then come a few years from now, will it be relevant to include in the article when it is very likely not to be true? No. But if we keep it hidden, we can put this in in what is seemingly the highly unlikely event these actors aren't appearing. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:43, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
While it is likely that it's a lie, it is the most current information on the subject, and it's denying reports that haven't been confirmed, it's not like it's denying something that we already know for sure to be true. I think both the report and its denial should be mentioned, without stating which one is to be given more credit. —El Millo (talk) 22:18, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should treat this "denial" info like we have with Tatiana Maslany's denial of her She-Hulk casting and include it as relevant information of the time, given we don't know which one actually is correct to begin with. It is very likely Marvel and Sony haven't told Holland yet and are awaiting for them to film together, or this is actually telling us directly the other actors aren't in it. I feel we should present both of these as we did for the Maslany info for those reasons. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:36, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should include this as a denial, but I wouldn't take it as 100% confirmation that they are not in it. My preference would be to say their casting was reported and then later denied by Holland, and then wait until we get further information. That reflects what we know and is what I would expect to see at this point. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:43, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Looking through the article, I think we should separate all of Collider's information from THR's report on Molina, and have the Collider bit start off with "Collider reported that..." and mention 1) Garfield, 2) Dunst, 3) Stone, and then 4) Maguire. Would it also be worth it to add in bits from reliable sites like THR, Deadline, or Variety mentioning how these are "unconfirmed", or would that be too much? Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think that would be fine, given that this was particularly treated with a grain of salt by most outlets, while other reports by Collider have been treated as completely reliable in the past. —El Millo (talk) 01:22, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have gone ahead and adjusted the information and added a bit from Variety stating these are unconfirmed. Feel free to make any adjustments. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:39, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That looks good to me. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:40, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Collider's article today on an interview with Holland states this (bolding relevant bit): There's also the fact that rumors have been swirling that Spider-Man 3 will open up the multiverse, which could be a reason why the script is in flux a bit. We know for sure that Jamie Foxx's Electro and Alfred Molina's Doc Ock are reprising their roles from two different Spidey universes in the Marvel-Sony collaboration, and if the film is dependent upon making last-minute deals with folks like, say, Tobey Maguire, then there has to be an alternate version of the script that doesn't include Maguire's character. I'm not sure if this bit on Maguire is useful or necessary, but Collider does seem confident in their prior report and the likelihood that Maguire's deal or deals for others may fall through, although this wording does seem a bit dodgy by appearing to make assumptions. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:29, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Andrew Garfield (12th Feburary 2021)

Adding Andrew Garfield to the cast list of Spider-Man: No Way Home. [1]150.143.172.25 (talk) 10:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Text: Andrew Garfield as Peter Parker (The Amazing Spider-Man). He reprises his role from Marc Webb's The Amazing Spider-Man film series.

Have you been living under a rock? Turns out Garfield's not appearing. Kailash29792 (talk) 11:02, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In a nutshell, this could be the Civil War situation again. They were denying Spider-Man will appear until they actually reached an agreement IIRC. An ironclad statement on the matter should come from the studio itself, not an actor who could have been told not to say anything, or might not even have been told in the first place. Gistech (talk) 11:08, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is already consensus to exclude Garfield and any rumored or unconfirmed actors from the cast billing. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:25, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Garfield has been spotted on set, filming scenes for No Way Home. 150.143.172.25 (talk)

References

  1. ^ https://collider.com/spider-man-3-cast-doc-ock-alfred-molina-andrew-garfield/

Title Of The Film

Sony and Marvel Studios confirmed on February 24th, that the name of the third installment will be Spider-Man: No Way Home". C3rtii654 (talk) 23:34, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2021

AidanBigT (talk) 23:35, 23 February 2021 (UTC) the name of the film has been released and i would like to edit it to make it so that the viewers of this page can see so[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. TJScalzo (talk) 23:38, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As a side note it appears the cast behind this film are making jokes regarding the title.Source here So until we get an official confirmation from Marvel that it is that title, it stays as "untitled" RareButterflyDoors (talk) 00:15, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
On another side note, Holland will appear on The Tonight Show tonight, so maybe we'll get some news on this film there. Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:23, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2021 (2)

I would like the title to be changed from “Untitled Spider-Man: Far From Home sequel” to “Spider-Man: No Way Home”. 150.143.172.25 (talk) 17:57, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is being worked on. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:05, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 February 2021

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Speedily moved, per confirmation of official title. BD2412 T 19:28, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled Spider-Man: Far From Home sequel → Spider-Man: No Way Home – Film lead Tom Holland revealed the film's title on a social media post on Instagram today: [1] TehPlaneFreak! talk 18:00, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Need an admin to fix the page as someone did an improper copy/paste move. Spanneraol (talk) 18:05, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ugh, it was a nightmarish redirect loop. DÅRTHBØTTØ (T•C) 18:06, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I know. I've put in a request at WP:RPP to have the protection removed. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:07, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actors don't speak for the production and WP:ABOUTSELF means we can't use an actor's social media to this. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:56, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This, on the other hand, is authoritative and can be used to support the change of name. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:56, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent News, Thanks for the amazing change :) Chip3004 (talk) 18:36, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.instagram.com/p/CLrwIoAll9U/
  2. ^ "Tom Holland on Instagram: "Spider-Man - No Way Home 🕸🕷🔥"". Instagram. February 24, 2021. Retrieved February 24, 2021.
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

"because of fan reaction a new deal was made between the studios"

where is the citation for this? Its getting tiresome how much power fandom imagines they have on social media, without citations there's no reason to post this kind of phrasing in the introduction of the article. Its practically editorial — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:1DF0:31C0:1CCE:B42A:47C8:4D45 (talk) 02:31, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It’s mentioned in the body of the article so it doesn’t need to be sourced in the lead.--65.92.160.124 (talk) 03:18, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2021

Adding of this line in the Marketing section-" with Spider-Man: No Way Home in the center and then confirmed as the official title". FS11h1 (talk) 05:47, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Title Reveal Date

I would like to make a request that the sentance "The title was revealed in Feburary 2021" to "The title was revealed on Feburary 24th 2021". This is more accurate then just saying Feburary 2021. User 150.143.172.25 (talk). 08:45, Thursday 25th Feburary 2021.

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2021 (2)

2A0C:5A80:1D0E:7100:A887:1898:C54A:DBE2 (talk) 14:23, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Ididntknowausername (talk) 14:33, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2021 (3)

Remove the part about the inside out cast reprising their roles as it's neither true nor plausible. 2600:1702:4910:7170:D978:26C8:851B:BF9B (talk) 22:25, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]


 Done Its inclusion was vandalism. Any unsourced statement recently added should be immediately removed. —El Millo (talk) 22:45, 25 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Batalon weight loss

Should we mention Batalon's weight loss in the cast section? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:19, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 'Not done: Batalon's weight loss is already mentioned in the Cast section. User 146.199.189.161 (talk) 10:35, 5 March 2021 (UTC)150.143.172.25 (talk).[reply]

It was not an edit request, it was a question. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 18:20, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Music - FV

The sentence in the music section fails verification, as it says "Happy to be heading home again!" and does not say when Giacchino began scoring the film. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:43, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's true, and that's why the wording was changed. It doesn't indicate when he started scoring, just that he would. I'll the "failed verification" tag, but the discussion can go on in relation to this if others wish so. —El Millo (talk) 23:08, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The current wording does not match either of the two sources, so it fails verification. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In which way does it not match them? The first source is the report by CinemaBlend, the second one is Giacchino's confirmation in November 2020. The wording is literally Michael Giacchino was set to score the film by November 2020 and nothing else, apart from stating he scored the previous two. —El Millo (talk) 20:12, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, the second bit about the previous two was in the first source (but not the second). The bit about him being set to score the film by November 2020 is not mentioned in either source. CinemaBlend says he is likely returning but does not say when, Giacchino's tweet just says ""Happy to be heading home again!" and not when he is scoring the film. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:27, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The tweet is from November 2020. The sentence states that he was set to return by November 2020, because that's the earliest we know he was confirmed to return. Being set to score the film doesn't mean that he began scoring it, it means that he was chosen to be the composer. The sentence only means that by November 2020 he had been selected as the composer of the film, because we don't know if he'd been set as the composer earlier but just allowed to disclose it in November. —El Millo (talk) 20:33, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What El Millo said is correct. The prior wording was inaccurate, so it was adjusted to follow what the sources state. Based on Giacchino's tweet, in which he posted an image of Holland in his Spider-Man suit from the No Way Home set (which Holland previously posted), we know he will be scoring this film, so the article now reflects that. The Cinema Blend article talked about how he was "likely" going to return, but was not confirmed until his post. I'm not sure what else could be disputed about that section's info and its sources. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:44, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cast Listing

Why are Andrew Garfield and Charlie Cox listed in the cast? Neither of those actors have been confirmed to be appearing in the film, so why are they listed? FilmLover72 (talk) 12:41, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by “confirmed”?—TriiipleThreat (talk) 12:53, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody from Marvel or the actors themselves have said that they will appear in the movie FilmLover72 (talk) 13:32, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
They were unhidden in the cast list by an IP user. The mistake has been reverted. Trailblazer101 (talk) 13:42, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Remember per WP:V, "verifiability means other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source." That source need not be a primary source and per WP:WHYN, "We require that all articles rely primarily on 'third-party' or 'independent sources'." That said, there appear to be conflicting sources on this specific piece of information so it has been hidden for now.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:54, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Updated Cast

On Twitter today (5/3/21), the Spider-Man: No Way Home official account recieved a new bio (from the official Twitter account) which read (I quote): "#SpiderManNoWayHome starring Tom Holland, Zendaya, Jacob Batalon, Tobey Maguire, and Andrew Garfield, only in movie theaters this Christmas".

I think this is enough evidence and a genuine reason to add Andrew Garfield (and Tobey Maguire) to the cast list of No Way Home. 146.199.189.161 (talk) 14:00, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They don't have a new bio. Twitter's account posted that in response to the film's profile. see here. It's not confirmed nor official. Trailblazer101 (talk) 14:15, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

But if the OFFICIAL description for the OFFICIAL account for the film has their name's in the description, that most likely means they are in the film. 146.199.189.161 (talk) 14:17, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Again, just to clarify we do NOT need "OFFICIAL" sources, but since there are conflicting sources it maybe best to wait.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:20, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean, we do NOT need official sources? 146.199.189.161 (talk) 14:21, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See the thread above, all the source needs to be is reliable, not offical.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 14:25, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Twitter suggested it as a new bio. The official account is not using it, meaning we can't say it is confirmed or official. Trailblazer101 (talk) 14:22, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

OK, fair enough. I'll wait until Garfield is confirmed then. 146.199.189.161 (talk) 14:23, 5 March 2021 (UTC) There is a lot of evidence to support Garfield returning though. The Collider report (https://collider.com/spider-man-3-cast-doc-ock-alfred-molina-andrew-garfield/), the set photos, the leaked teaser that got taken down but showed Garfield and Maguire, the Paramount Twitter Christmas tweet that had Garfield and Maguire side by side etc. 146.199.189.161 (talk) 14:28, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Boycott campaign in India

There is a huge boycott campaign underway in India after supporters of the Hindu nationalist leader Narendra Modi confused the writer Tom Holland (who mocked Modi for naming stadiums after himself) with his namesake actor who is the lead in the new cycle of Spider-man movies. Needs to be added, especially since Marvel views India as an huge emerging market for its movies — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.231.85.215 (talk) 06:09, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You'd have to provide reliable sources that cover this. —El Millo (talk) 06:37, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Indian media The Hindu https://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/indian-twitter-targets-the-wrong-tom-holland-trends-boycottspiderman/article33939339.ece NDTV https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indians-are-boycotting-actor-spiderman-actor-tom-holland-for-narendra-modi-stadium-comment-2379500 The Week https://www.theweek.in/news/entertainment/2021/02/25/author-tom-holland-mocks-modi-a-section-of-indians-call-for-boycott-of-spiderman-movie.html India Today https://www.indiatoday.in/trending-news/story/twitter-says-boycott-spider-man-will-trend-after-tom-holland-s-modi-tweet-here-s-the-twist-1772985-2021-02-25

International media The Independent https://www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/world/india-twitter-boycott-spider-man-b1807916.html Channel News Asia https://cnalifestyle.channelnewsasia.com/trending/spider-man-star-tom-holland-mistaken-indian-twitter-14290026 Daily Sabah https://www.dailysabah.com/arts/cinema/spider-man-threatened-with-boycott-in-india-in-twitter-mix-up — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.231.85.215 (talk) 06:42, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seems very useful, TriiipleThreat and Favre1fan93 please share your views on whether this should be included. Kailash29792 (talk) 06:46, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Seems rather anecdotal. We’ll see if anything actually becomes of it, or if it clears up overnight and all is forgotten.—TriiipleThreat (talk) 11:16, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with TriiipleThreat's assessment, especially because we are still over 6 months before the film is even going to release. By that time, this won't matter. If this was happening right around release, then perhaps it would be notable, as it could affect box office etc. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:50, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As you would rightly put it, the topic will most likely be forgotten by the time the film releases. But sometimes mishaps by the cast and crew have resulted in their film's premiere/release being affected. Remember Liam Person on Cold Pursuit? Keep watch if that repeats here. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:58, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Teue but in this case the controversy is from angry Hindu nationalists confusing Tom Holland for an author of the same name they mocked their leader, not something the actor said or did, like was the case with Person. I’m quite confident that the populace of India will realize they are different people and that the boycott will be long forgotten by the time the film comes out.--67.70.101.238 (talk) 04:15, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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