Talk:Commodore International

Commodore Naming

The reference to the Opel Commodore seems unlikely, and notably Commodore's West Chester Offices are around 30 miles from the Commodore Barry Bridge between Pennsylvania and New Jersey. Commodore Barry also has a statue on independence mall in Philadelphia, was the first commander (commodore ?) of the US Navy.

96.245.18.90 (talk) 06:17, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Commodore's move to West Chester happened in 1983. In 1958, Tramiel had no known connections to Pennsylvania: Poland, Berlin, Korea New York, Fort Dix, Toronto, yes. But not Pennsylvania before 1976, it would seem. If there is a kernel of truth to the car story, it might relate instead to the Hudson Commodore, a top of the line car produced between 1941 and 1952.

TLJ (talk) 04:57, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

I think Tramiel had meant a Hudson Commodore but got it mixed up with Opel's car years later. — Rickyrab. ^{Yada yada yada} 14:25, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

New hypothesis: Tramiel might even have seen a Citroen DS and mistaken it for a Hudson Commodore (potentially easy to do because of Hudson's "step down design" and Citroen's similar back shape). Because the encounter reportedly happened in Germany, Tramiel later thought the car was the Opel car instead of the (American) Hudson car. — Rickyrab. ^{Yada yada yada} 14:43, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Commodore bankruptcy

"In the early 1990s, CBM continued selling Amigas with 7–14 MHz 68000-family CPUs (even though Amiga 3000 with 25 MHz 68030 was in the market by that time), when PCs with 33 MHz 486s, high-color graphics cards and SoundBlaster (or compatible) sound cards offered comparable, and eventually higher, performance, albeit at higher prices. By way of contrast, when introduced in 1985, the Amiga had competed favorably against 286-based systems with EGA graphics and rudimentary sound capabilities that frequently cost 2–3 times as much.

In 1992, the production of the A600 seemed like a backward move; it replaced the A500, yet it removed the numeric keypad, Zorro expansion slot, SCSI capability, and other functionality in favor of PCMCIA and a theoretically cost-reduced design. It was basically unexpandable and lasted less than a year. Productivity developers moved to PC and Macintosh, while the console wars took over the gaming market. David Pleasance, managing director of Commodore UK, described the A600 as a 'complete and utter screw-up'. (Smith, 1994)"''

This is very US-centric. It takes no notice of the impact of the Sega Megadrive and Super Nintendo on Amiga sales, for instance. The PC was still not widely used as a home computer outside North America.

The A600 has an internal IDE interface, so it could use inexpensive PC hard drives ; there was no need for a more expensive SCSI interface. It was expandable to 4 MB, more than sufficient for such a system. The A600 was not withdrawn at all ; it was still on sale when Commodore became bankrupt.203.26.122.12 (talk) 06:48, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

CBM mgmt part needs NPOV'ing

The recent addition needs NPOVing -- it seems to be hostile to Commodore management. If it isn't cleaned-up then it has to be removed. --mav

it does need toning down a little. please let's keep the "dead hot bird" usenet joke! it gives colour & context and it made me laugh like a drain :-) -- Tarquin

I tried to clean up the stuff about management because it was still annoying me. I mean, I was an Amiga fan during Commodore's demise and I followed the antics of Mehdi Ali and Irving Gould as closely as was possible at the time. Was it selfish intent that drove them, or total lack of knowledge about the computer market? More likely it was a combination of both, regardless of what my emotions at the time wanted to believe. Anyway, I hope this puts us in the right direction. -- Dave Farquhar 23:54, 6 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Sectioning; Mgmt coverage

I quite like the new sectionizing, I think the article is really starting to read quite nicely now. As to the management stuff, I've always found the owner's anger misplaced -- the market would have pushed Commodore aside no matter how good the tech was, even a perfectly run Commodore would still be gone today. Apple can barely hold on and they were once one of the largest computer companies in the world, DEC, Compaq, Atari, they're all gone. --Maury Markowitz

Re: new sectioning: Thanks! :-)  Re: the management stuff: I think the present article's treatment of these issues is quite OK, considering that CBM arguably could have been a contender for a little longer at least, if the management had known their market, and the extent of CBM's multimedia head start, properly (as for myself, sorry to say, I never took much interest in anything else than CBM's 8-bit machines, entering the "dark gray cloud" of IBM PC clones after my C128 days... :-/ ). --Wernher 20:36, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)

CBM UK holding out a bit longer?

Did't Commodore UK survive even after C= Int had gone down? // Liftarn

Yes it did, and it even placed a bid to buy out the rest of the operation, or at least the former parent company, but I don't know how long it survived or any other details. --Dave Farquhar 19:31, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I remember that they used to make computer speakers and simmilar things. I don't know what happened with them. Anyway, since it's confirmed I'll add it into the article. // Liftarn

I did some digging. The results are in the article. Thanks for bringing that up; somehow I'd forgotten about the Commodore UK part of the story. -- Dave Farquhar 17:17, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

With respect to the Commodore UK part of the story, and the various other branches of the company that made significant contributions (at least, per the book Commodore: a Company on the Edge), isn't the first paragraph inaccurate? At present it reads:

Commodore is the commonly used name for Commodore Business Machines (CBM), the U.S.-based home computer manufacturer and electronics manufacturer headquartered in West Chester, Pennsylvania, which also housed Commodore's corporate parent company, Commodore International Limited.

Surely Commodore is the commonly used name for a family of international companies sitting underneath CIL, of which CBM was only one? Otherwise you would seem to be writing out the contributions of people like Tony Tokai and Kit Spencer. — 83.244.247.185 (talk) 15:18, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Commodore UK always fared better than rest on Commodore. BTW it helped to make cash for Tramiel to buy MOS Technologies in 1976. According to Commodore: A Company on the Edge book (chapter 4: The Aqcuisition), Kit Spencer sold (signed contract to sell) 25000 watches ahead of their time to Boots store chain (watches in inventory were Christmas item but Kit dumped hem in August), got cash from National Westminster Bank using factoring, and then transferred $250000 to USA (he bought excess inventory of outdated calculators from Commodore USA to "legitimize" the money transfer). Tramiel paid $750000 for MOS Technology, hence UK provided one third -- xrgtn (talk) 13:11, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

New Ownership of Commodore

Just stumbled upon this: http://pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,119093,00.asp Someone take a look and add the new info. I'm too tired :( --Borisborf 09:31, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Another source: http://www.commodoreworld.com/site/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=4&tabid=702&bix=4&bid=5&itemIDS=18&ModID=2 --Borisborf 09:34, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Already in the article! --Alexwcovington 9:46, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about that. The article had changed since I last read it and I didn't see that it was added.--Borisborf 21:59, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Since Yeahronimo Media Ventures changed its name, the Commodore brand is property of Commodore International Corporation (OTC:CDRL); see http://www.commodoreworld.com --KBoek 13:34, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Does that have anything to do with Commodore Gaming? They seem to use the same logo. -HuBmaN!!!! 15:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Of likely interest is the new firm Commodore USA, LLC: http://www.commodoreusa.citymax.com/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.227.70.194 (talk) 00:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

PET was not a KIM

This is the first time I've ever seen the claim that the PET was a repackaged KIM-1. I own a KIM-1, and I've seen the guts of a Commodore PET with the original "chiclet" keyboard, and aside from both using a 6502 processor there is no similarity. The PET had the power supply on the motherboard, as well as keyboard hardware, and of course a video section - and not trace of the hex display, keypad and 20 mA TTY interface that the KIM had. I will be bold. --Wtshymanski 22:15, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

And here it is 6 years later and a PET is still not a KIM. --Wtshymanski (talk) 01:23, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

It's been wrong since October 23, 2005. Got to keep everything in the watchlist, I guess. --Wtshymanski (talk) 03:22, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

"engineers going behind mgmt's backs"

"A massive divide existed between the engineers and the management, with the technical staff resorting to getting their work done behind the backs of management. For example, CPU samples from Motorola were delivered to the home addresses of the engineers and, for interest, Motorola gave them priority over Apple, who also used the same CPUs."

I'd like to take that out, until someone can find a source?

"scathing commercials" and last two paragraphs

Two small suggestions:

1) Using the word "scathing" to describe the commercials in "Amiga Vs. Atari" seems like unecessary hyperbole, unless it can be substantiated with some proof.

2) The last two paragraphs seem temporally out of place as all the events up to that point are chronologically listed and then suddenly we jump back to 2001-- I found it slightly confusing. Perhaps a new section title can be added to separate those two paragraphs.

Otherwise, well done.

Amiga, Inc.

I just created an article called "Amiga Corporation". It deals with the history of the company that created the Lorraine, later to be called the Amiga, computer. To put together the article, I got information first from the Jay Miner article then from Commodore International. There is no information about Amiga, Inc. in the Atari article. But the information that I did find is somewhat contradictory. I meshed it as best as I can, but I suggest that the contradictions be decided in the Amiga, Inc. article and then be distributed back to the other two articles. Val42 00:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Logos

Do we really need both Image:Commodore Logo(197x).png and Image:Commodore Logo(1985).png? It looks like all that was changed is the typeface of the word "Commodore"; the classic "C=" logo design remained the same. I have replaced these images with Image:CBM Logo.svg, which is a scalable vector version of the logo. If anyone has an objection to this, please discuss it either here or on my Talk page, and we'll see what can be worked out. Crotalus horridus (TALK ● CONTRIBS) 03:26, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Chris Yaneff's original drawing for the logo (1965) is purportedly here: https://twitter.com/vccmalta/status/1066231884911468544 --scruss (talk) 00:13, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Amiga/bankruptcy

Hi,

I modified the bit about bankruptcy today. I don't accept that the PC had the market cornered by the late 1980s; Amiga was doing a roaring trade in the late 80s. I added some more details about Commodore's missteps and made it all chronological. - Richardcavell 08:02, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I think part of the problem is looking at it in terms of raw number of sales, and not taking into account different markets. In the '80s, the PC had dominated the business market, and since this was by far the biggest use for computers, this meant it had by far the largest number of computer sales as a whole. But this ignores that the Amiga's primary market was the home market. It's a bit misleading to say that the PC had dominated, when this wasn't entirely in the same market. Similarly, I think including the Apple Macintosh is even more misleading - firstly this had not dominated in any sense of the word, and secondly this was mostly entirely different markets (e.g., Desktop publishing). It was the PC that the Amiga mainly finally lost market share to in the home market.

Just a small point regarding your edits - do you have a source that the CD32 was a "spectacular commercial failure"? I've heard this claimed by some, but never backed up with actual sales figures, meanwhile I've heard others say it was selling well, and sales only stopped short when Commodore went bust.

Lastly, a thought I had about this article is that it focuses rather too much on the Amiga as if it were the sole contributor to Commodore's bankruptcy, but I've never seen any evidence that this is actually true, and it doesn't appear to be provided by this article. I've heard other common claims that it was more to do with poor sales from their PCs, which they had invested a lot of money in. Unless this is backup up with solid evidence, I think this needs to be rewritten or possibly removed - material about the Amiga specifically is better suited to the Amiga article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mdwh (talk • contribs) .

One story I heard regarding C='s bankruptcy was that it was screwed over/plundered by the people in charge, and that had it been based in the US rather than the Bahamas (IIRC), such action would not have been permitted. Don't take this as fact until you can verify it, though.

Also, bear in mind that the Amiga was a bigger success in Europe than it was in America; I would consider *these* to be different markets, as opposed to different sectors of the market. Anyway, the assertion that the Amiga was to blame may reflect a U.S.-centric point-of-view. Not saying that this is definitely the reason, but it's worth considering who wrote it. Fourohfour 18:33, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

This whole article is very US-centred ; misplaced considering Commodore was far more successful outside of USA. There is much talk of the role of the PC, when in reality it was the success of the Sega Megadrive that really cut into Amiga sales (and the Nintendo 64 that would've killed it).

There was a very high failure rate of Amiga 1400s. This model was introduced into Australia first - and Commodore Australia was the first division to declare bankruptcy. A new manufacturer ahd been appointed in the Phillipines and I heard (rumours) that up to 95% of machines had to be returned. This wasn't the first time this had happened ; when the C64 was released the company also almost went bankrupt because of high store returns.203.26.122.12 (talk) 06:56, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

At Retro Gathering Sep 27 2008 there was a panel discussion with various people who was in the business at the time. Lars Molander, the CEO of Commodore in the nordic countries, was asked about the bankruptcy. According to him the reason was that Commodore pushed it's sellers to sell a lot before the end of each quarter to make the sales look better. In Germany (the largest market) it was done by promising retailers they could ship back unsold stock. And it was this that caused the German market to crumble and bring down the rest of Europe. // Liftarn (talk) 18:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Commodore Business Machines redirect?

This appears to be the proper article for discussing all aspects of Commodore's business. Perhaps a redirect from Commodore Business Machines to Commodore International is in order? I'm new at contributing, so I have no idea how to do this, or how to speed up the suggestion process. Pyrogen 09:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

generally poor writing

I'll try to give this article a bit of a going-over to improve it a bit. Landroo 20:58, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I still think this is a very confusing series of articles about Commodore.

In-Correct

In-Correct (talk) 21:01, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Tramiel quits; The Amiga vs ST battle

I removed this awkward and inappropriate sentence: "This was intended to in effect, bar Jack from releasing his new computer."

It was promptly put back in.

While I appreciate the author's intent to attribute motives to Commodore management for that action, it's unwise to do so, especially in an encyclopedia, which is supposed to be factual and unbiased. Landroo 05:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Its factual, this was also covered in the book cited in the external links: "On the Edge: The Spectacular Rise and Fall of Commodore". Pg 423, paragraph 4: "In a suit filed July 10th in Chester County Court, Commodore charged that Shiraz and three other former employees had stolen information on new products Commodore was developing. A Washington Post article soon appeared with the headline, 'Commodore Says Four Stole Trade Secrets'. Commodore obtained a preliminary injunction against releasing the new Atari computer." --Marty Goldberg 06:00, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Please give this list a look-thru as well

http://www.zimmers.net/commie/docs/cbm-products.txt -andy 80.129.113.55 00:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Amazing how Apple survived, isn't it?

When they were both working, Apple and Commodore seemed to be on the same track, computer companies on the drift of bankrupcy. Commodore went, but Apple is still here today.. Isn't it amazing? What do you think helped Apple survive Bankrupcy? :) User:RaviC

making polished, high-quality products, something commodore never quite managed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.110.223 (talk) 20:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Apple's leadership. Job's is a force of nature. Alatari (talk) 15:26, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, Apple's computers and Mac OS are not polished and high-quality. They were, years ago...but they are now way too similar to PCs. I am sure that many people disagree with this, including Apple, Inc. but they did in fact phase out all their hardware in favor of hardware that is regularly made with PCs; and they phased their software for a NexT-like OS. It just isn't the same at all, but it is very successful for Apple, Inc.

Also Apple makes iPod, iPhone, podcasting, and other things that are portable devices and not full computers.

And as for Commodore, it did not have any successful portable devices, their hardware and software is more Commodore-like and less PC-like, and Commodore did not have anybody like Steve Jobs. I might be mistaken, but Commodore just did not try hard enough.

In-Correct

In-Correct (talk) 21:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Commodore Resurrected

Commodore is back with high-end gaming rigs, they released them at CeBit 2007. tech digest

Yeah, I'm surprised that this information has not been included in the article. Commodore has launched its new website and are planning to release high-end gaming computers, much like what Alienware are doing. Here's a dailytech article on that. - Anas ^Talk? 18:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

This Commodore has not practical relation with the "real" and "original" Commodore. It only shares the name. Jcea 18:10, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Which isn't really an issue, since they are the legal holder of the name (and some of the properties) and therefore part of the legacy that is documented here. Its no different than Tramiel's Tramel Technologies Ltd. buying the Atari name and some of the properties and renaming it Atari Corp., or Infogrames buying the Atari name and some of the properties and renaming its U.S. division (formerly GT Interactive) into Atari Inc. --Marty Goldberg 20:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

What exactly do they own? Name and logo? Perhaps better than to refer to "Commodore Gaming" as "Commodore" would be to write a section in the discussion of post-bankruptcy follow-ons discussing the them as yet another purchaser of a limited set of rights, and list exactly what connection they have to CBM per se. If they're notable enough, create a separate page (assuming they're "Commodore Gaming" and not "Commodore", in which case we may want Commodore (Gaming) with disambiguation of some sort. (Once they merit a separate page.) --- jesup 22:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the immediately-preceding comments on what to do. — Val42 (talk) 23:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Tulip have re-acquired Commodore International.

http://www.commodorecorp.com/corporate/news+center/news+articles/articles/CIC+confirms+Tulips+offer+on+its+remaining+shares.aspx

No mention of the Super Pet

I see no mention of the Super Pet.

This was a Pet with the processor (6801?) removed and a daughterboard in its place with a Motorola 6809 and 64K more RAM on it. It came with WatCom compilers for Assembly, Basic, Pascal, Fortran, Cobol, and APL! It was developed partially before the release of the 6809 with Waterloo getting the NDA spec for the processor from Commodore without Motorola knowledge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.43.16 (talk) 22:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Commadore International is still around.

http://www.commodorecorp.com/corporate/home.aspx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.236.142 (talk) 02:35, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Commodore PC

Can anyone add a Commodore PC family ? Old-computers.com link ; Alecv (talk) 13:43, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Commodore Evolution legit?

Almost a year after their CES announcement, their store isn't working yet, and their main page contains a bunch of hidden spam links at the end. I fear we may be looking at vaporware here. Emurphy42 (talk) 04:30, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Commdore headquarters

commodore old headquarters in west chester is not part of qvc what so ever a new company occupies that building and there is no evidence that qvc ever was in that building, i suggest adding reference to this claim if there is one otherwise it should be deleted —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.227.214.172 (talk) 01:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Adding More Infomation

There isn't much information available on Wikipedia about the new products. I am going to add them. In-Correct (talk) 15:55, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Commodore USA and Commodore China

What's the connection (if any) between the two companies? Are the C64 KB-decks sold at commodoreusa.com made by the Chinese corp that makes the netbooks? Alatari (talk) 07:08, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Other products prior to computers

When I was in high school, I recall seeing Commodore-branded filing cabinets with the rainbow and lowercase logo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.104.200.131 (talk) 06:03, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Commodore manufactured filing cabinets at one time and had filing cabinet factories in Canada. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 06:23, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Commodore USA

Removed mentions to Commodore USA (http://www.commodoreusa.net). None of the computers they sell are commodore-branded and they are using the name without permission. Absolutely no relation to Commodore International whatsoever. MaKamitt 23:04, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Reverted. According to their site, it clearly states "Commodore® trademark used under exclusive worldwide license by Commodore USA, LLC for its line of AIO (All-In-One) keyboard computers, and is the trademark of Commodore Licensing, BV, registered in the United States and other countries worldwide." If you have referenced information to the contrary, then that can be taken in to consideration and/or added. But it can not simply be removed based on your unreferenced and unverified word. --Marty Goldberg (talk) 00:07, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

As of april 12th, we have this engadget article: http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/12/commodore-gaming-disavows-commodore-usa-and-its-decals/ . I'll email commodore international and see what they have to say on the matter though. apologies for not providing a reference initially, but I honestly didn't think anyone took their site seriously, and thought it was probably self-promotion by the site owner. As for "exclusive worlwide license, we know that to definitely be false simply by the existence of commodore international and commodore gaming MaKamitt 12:07, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

As stated, it can be taken in to consideration and added, i.e. information from notable sources that discusses the discrepency. However, this company and it's relation to Commodore (whether done under license or not) has to much reliable and notable press to be completely removed. A good solution to compromise would be to start another section in relation to this company, covering it in a *neutral* manner. That includes press coverage about their products, and items like the engadget article when discussing the licensing controversy. Finally, your observation is incorrect as you're missreading the statement. It clearly states it's under license from Commodore Licensing, BV. That is a part of Commodore International BV and under the umbrella of Commodore Asia now. The process is covered a bit here and here (the latter forum link can not be used as a reference in the article, and is being povided for contextual discussion only). --Marty Goldberg (talk) 19:44, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

I am going to edit the different hardware section. Every recent Commodore that I know of has an Intel Processor, not just Commodore USA. Others are truly made for Windows such as the ones sold at http://www.commodorecorp.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by In-Correct (talk • contribs) 12:35, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Also, why are the Commodore USA computers not listed? I am going to add them back. Perhaps I should wait until they begin selling them. In-Correct (talk) 12:39, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Re-Added "Different Hardware And Operating System

Please keep it, and whoever added "(made by Commodore USA)" please do not add that back in there...or anything else like that. ALL manufacturers...whether they are Commodore World, Commodore Gaming, and Commodore USA, ...clearly have...in my opinion (which BTW I kept out of the article lol) merely PC clones, with PC keyboards, and Microsoft Windows. The only thing close to Amiga-like is installing AROS and the only other computers that are both PowerPC and can run MorphOS and AmigaOS are clones.

It is VERY important that the differene is clarified, because at one time Commodore was entirely its own system, with specific hardware, operating system, and keyboard {and Amiga Key and the C=Key is similar to Apple's Command Key...does Apple use the "Windows" key on their keyboards?! Haha now whether Apple should be doing that is a worthy debate, and don't worry...I kept this opinion out of the article also) and so people have to realize that Commodore is not simply a PC clone. In-Correct (talk) 07:09, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

I think the "Modern Computers" should be deleted

I think this was added by somebody at Commodore USA. They keep mentioning on their websites that their computers are "modern", using all the features that nobody else has, Let Go Of The Past, blah blah etc.

but I don't think that Commodore USA is the only one that has "Modern" computers. All computers, regardless of manufacturer, should be considered Modern.

Also, "Modern" is not the Correct word!! Of course all computers still being made are going to be modern!! It is all about that "Let Go Of The Past Thing". The word should be "Recent", not "Modern".

Besides, do they even sell the computers, or are they still designing them?! These computers are a lot closer to being prototypes or concept machines.

Blah. I am going to go ahead and delete the "Modern" computers section. All, yes ALL... "Recent" Commodore computers has been explained in that "Different Hardware And Operating System" and I tried my best to type in The Neutral Zone. More will be added...once the machines are sold.

And that Commodore/Amiga-Flavored Linux distro isn't even named yet. I will add it later, once it has been named and released.

In-Correct (talk) 07:09, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

RE-Readding "Different Hardware And Operating System"

Once again...this paragraph is being edited to make it appear that ONLY Commodore USA is responsible for different hardware architecture and operating system.

THIS IS NOT TRUE. Intel and Windows have been used before with both Commodore International and Commodore Gaming years before Commodore USA!!

I am putting back what I wrote...and PLEASE do NOT turn it into a Commodore USA-Only paragraph!! This is why my paragraph keeps getting deleted!!

Don't believe me? Read THIS. http://www.commodorecorp.com/ it clearly sells PC Clones and it clearly isn't Commodore USA.

AND also I read in the history notes...Commodore USA has nothing to do with Commodore International????

There is a press release somewhere about Commodore USA being selected by Commodore International to make a replica of C64 keyboard computers. and that they will release cell phones with Android OS, (I think they should have picked Symbian, butI will leave that out of the article)

Also, because Commodore International is using only Intel and Windows, this means that Commodore International itself has been using different hardware and operating systems, not just Commodore USA.

In-Correct (talk) 05:51, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Commodore USA in Post Commodore International

I think that Commodore USA is adding more information. At least they kept it in the correct paragraph. I think that it needs reference links. (Other members might want to delete the entire paragraph, but I think a search for reference link should be the solution for now)

ALSO the last sentence, about the Commodore OS needs a reference link. It IS notable, since I have listened to the interview with Leo Nigro and ? about Commodore USA, which mentions the Commodore OS. But I don't know how to add reference links lol. In-Correct (talk) 09:21, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

....And... Do you think I should add the Commodore USA's Amiga models to the Amiga hardware template???? Under an Intel-based category???? That is an issue...because they have not been released yet...and have had not any press coverage at all that I am aware of. In-Correct (talk) 09:27, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Commodore Gaming in Post Commodore International

Commodore USA is gone from the "Post Commodore International" section anymore. I don't think that Commodore Gaming needs to be either. Wasn't Commodore Gaming a computer company that made custom designed Commodore PC CLONE cases. not much different than Commodore USA?! So both shouldn't be here. I am going to add a summary about the present status of Commodore. In-Correct (talk) 00:04, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

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Commodore logo (C=)

"File:CBM Logo.svg" does not have the correct aspect ratio. Compared to the file it is based on ("File:Commodore logo.svg") as well as other images of the Commodore logo, one can clearly see that the C should be circular not oval.

I provide a much improved hand-coded version. Inkscape seems to generate overly complex/large files.

Commodore C= logo

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Alien426 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

I just have one small fact to add: the Amica was the first computer that I know of (I'm in Australia) that had genlock add-on capability for use in TV work. About 1987, Sony came with a TV oriented package at c. $8000. I was chief engineer at a commerical production house in Melbourne, and conned the general manager into getting one. As a result, we got commendations from Film Victoria for work we did for them. The graphics package was pretty primitive but with some effort, we managed to create some of the first computer VFX from essentially PC rank gear. Thank you for your time. @elkhorne on twitter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.71.241.36 (talk) 10:28, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Website

A user named keeps adding the website of the copyright holder of the name and not the historic company. This is NOT the same Commodore company. Do not add the https://www.commodore.ca/ or https://www.commodorecompany.com/ websites.