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: I added additional causes mentioned in the lead. -- [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 14:40, 20 August 2022 (UTC) |
: I added additional causes mentioned in the lead. -- [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 14:40, 20 August 2022 (UTC) |
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::That's now more complete, and also more confusing. The Godhra burning is generally acknowledged as a trigger, but not a root cause. State terrorism and ethnic cleansing are terms used for the riots themselves; sources say "the riots were an example of ethnic cleansing", not "the riots were caused by ethnic cleansing". It's just too complex to convey in three words in the infobox; hence my contention that it should just be removed. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]])</span> 16:08, 20 August 2022 (UTC) |
::That's now more complete, and also more confusing. The Godhra burning is generally acknowledged as a trigger, but not a root cause. State terrorism and ethnic cleansing are terms used for the riots themselves; sources say "the riots were an example of ethnic cleansing", not "the riots were caused by ethnic cleansing". It's just too complex to convey in three words in the infobox; hence my contention that it should just be removed. <span style="font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Vanamonde93|Vanamonde]] ([[User Talk:Vanamonde93|Talk]])</span> 16:08, 20 August 2022 (UTC) |
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:::{{ping|Vanamonde93}} It does seem "complex" and one reason is indeed not enough for a infobox. Even in 2017, we had 1 more option that we should get rid of the infobox but 5 years have passed and there has been no other controversy with the infobox. I agree that this new addition is even more confusing because "state terrorism" (very minority view) and "ethnic cleansing" (one of the common view) is the classification of the riot than the "cause". I agree that this parameter can be blanked again. [[User:D4iNa4|D4iNa4]] ([[User talk:D4iNa4|talk]]) 07:49, 21 August 2022 (UTC) |
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The article casts numerous and repeated aspersions alleging involvement of then Gujarat CM Shri Narendra Modi into the unfortunate riots. It also suspects the findings of Supreme Court appointed SIT, which acquitted Shri Modi of all such charges. However, conspicuously the article fails to mention anywhere that the subject SIT report acquitting Shri Modi of any wrongdoing has been accepted by three layers of Indian Judiciary, the latest being Supreme Court in June 2022. The highest court has also observed that activists like Smt Teesta Sheetalvad and some of her accomplishes tried to keep the matter alive and presented tutored witnesses during the SIT proceedings. A legal investigation into the role of all such persons has been initiated by Gujarat ATS after the subject SC verdict. Puru0506 (talk) 19:32, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
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Shouldn't the template {{Violence against Hindus in independent India}} also be added below the other template? Since there has been violence against Hindus as well, both templates should be added in the article. Kpddg (talk • contribs) 04:41, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- We add the template for violence against Hindus when reliable sources broadly describe the incident as one of violence against Hindus. In this case, they do not. Please take a look at the plentiful previous discussion on this topic. Vanamonde (Talk) 05:39, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Don't the reliable sources state in the start of this article that the riots were started by a murder of Hindus? Many people of both groups have been killed. Kpddg (talk • contribs) 05:47, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- The template is already present in the article about the Godhra train burning. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:08, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- That's a completely separate article. OP was referring to this article. LΞVIXIUS💬 12:20, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
- The template is already present in the article about the Godhra train burning. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:08, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
- Don't the reliable sources state in the start of this article that the riots were started by a murder of Hindus? Many people of both groups have been killed. Kpddg (talk • contribs) 05:47, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
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Change content under heading "Attack on Muslims". There are so many biased fake events that are described there and needed to be removed. 111.223.26.101 (talk) 15:04, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:10, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
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@D4iNa4: The talk page section you linked to does not in any way establish consensus for this parameter; nor do the sources provided there actually support it. We have sourced text in the lead and the body saying that the causes of the riots were complex (to say the least). Please demonstrate that this text is WP:DUE (not just verifiable). Pinging @RegentsPark, Kautilya3, El cid, el campeador, and Capitals00: as the other participants in that discussion (not pinging Sdmarathe, as he is banned from interacting with me and therefore cannot participate directly in this discussion). Vanamonde (Talk) 11:40, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
- I added additional causes mentioned in the lead. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:40, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
- That's now more complete, and also more confusing. The Godhra burning is generally acknowledged as a trigger, but not a root cause. State terrorism and ethnic cleansing are terms used for the riots themselves; sources say "the riots were an example of ethnic cleansing", not "the riots were caused by ethnic cleansing". It's just too complex to convey in three words in the infobox; hence my contention that it should just be removed. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:08, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Vanamonde93: It does seem "complex" and one reason is indeed not enough for a infobox. Even in 2017, we had 1 more option that we should get rid of the infobox but 5 years have passed and there has been no other controversy with the infobox. I agree that this new addition is even more confusing because "state terrorism" (very minority view) and "ethnic cleansing" (one of the common view) is the classification of the riot than the "cause". I agree that this parameter can be blanked again. D4iNa4 (talk) 07:49, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
- That's now more complete, and also more confusing. The Godhra burning is generally acknowledged as a trigger, but not a root cause. State terrorism and ethnic cleansing are terms used for the riots themselves; sources say "the riots were an example of ethnic cleansing", not "the riots were caused by ethnic cleansing". It's just too complex to convey in three words in the infobox; hence my contention that it should just be removed. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:08, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
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