Talk:Kryvyi Rih

Steel industry

I moved the paragraph on Krivorizhstal to its own section because it was a non-sequitur with discussions about the post-war era. Perhaps someone else could fill in more detail about the steel industry in Krivyi Rih, given that it is important to the town's history and industrial heritage/future. Lstanley1979 (talk) 18:37, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

the name used in the English language

Search on Google - pages from the United Kingdom only.

• "Krivoy Rog" = 17,400
• "Kryvyi Rih" = 11,500

--Toddy1 (talk) 21:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

My search of all English pages gives more for "Kryvyi Rih". Ostap 19:05, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Mine too:

• "Krivoy Rog" = 12,000
• "Kryvyi Rih" = 14,000 - again, this is just limiting to the UK webpages. Similar case for Canada. However, it seems as though, it is still important to keep the old russyphied version as it is also popular (even though not as popular).

--Andriy155 (talk) 07:16, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Lets use translation from from Ukrainian language, and it is KRYVYI RIH! --24.0.177.155 (talk) 15:41, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

This is English language Wikipedia, not Ukrainian language. And please do not leave racist abuse in your edit summaries like you did earlier today.--Toddy1 (talk) 15:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

After reading this section, I made a redirection page some days ago, pointing from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryvyi_Rog to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryvyi_Rih. (Verheyen Vincent (talk) 09:16, 3 December 2016 (UTC))

How long is the city

Whilst I realise that many websites claim that the city is over a hundred kilometres long, reference to a map shows that this isn't true.--Toddy1 (talk) 16:52, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I would also like to know where that claim comes from. According to my measurement (using google maps) the two furthest point inside the city area are 66 km apart.—caoimhinoc (talk) 11:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

"According to the official website of the city council, the length of the city as of 2019 is 126 km [4], however, the linear distance between the extreme southern and northern points on the city limits is almost twice less and is 66.1 km" - Google Translate translation from https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%A0%D1%96%D0%B3

" І є найдовшим містом Європи. Згідно з даними офіційного сайту міської ради, довжина міста станом на 2019 рік — 126 км, разом з цим лінійна відстань між крайніми південною та північною точками на межі міста є майже удвічі меншою і становить 66,1 км " Mferrer (talk) 22:09, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

The physical distance couldn't be measured just with the help of a satelite in mid-XX century. Many short roadways didn't exist. There is an option that it was measured bypassing around the city, which is the most common way of measuring such a crooked and weaved object. So you'd know, nowadays some different blog guys on Youtube tried passing the city on foot with a G-Maps, in the shortest possible ways, while counting the actual distance, it was a couple of times. And always they were getting the same number: a little under 89km…So it seems right that it is about 120km when you bypass it around. Personally I don't care about its length at all, especially considering the fact that 67km is still #1 lenghth in Europe ;) Just trying to figure it out right. AlbertHog (talk) 18:25, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mferrer: AlbertHog (talk) 18:29, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Better main pic?

How's this? Open to suggestions of course.. --ddima (talk) 18:40, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

The current picture of a beautiful park doesn't say much on the East. Europe's main steel industry city. We need vast urban skylines, poisoning chimneys:) and possibly skyscrapers. Happy edits, Ukrained (talk) 08:54, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I can make a collage photograph much like the one on the Rivne article. Looking thru the WikiCommons, the photos they have there aren't any much better! But i'll see how it comes out anyways. --ddima (talk) 17:53, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Calvin999 (talk · contribs) 08:20, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

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Review

• One DAB link
• One dead link

• is a city in the Dnipropetrovsk region, and is the 8th most populous city in Ukraine with over 650,000 inhabitants in 2013. → is a city in the Dnipropetrovsk region of Ukraine; it is the 8th most populous city in the country with over 650,000 inhabitants in 2013.
• 650,000 inhabitants in 2013.[3] → As long as this is sourced in a main section somewhere, it doesn't need to be cited here.
• It lies within a large urban area, administratively, incorporated with Kryvyi Rih Municipality → I don't think this follows properly.
• expand "at an astonishing rate" around → Quotations in the lead should have a citation.
• the turn of the 1880s. → Usually use "the turn of" when talking about the turn of a century. I would change to "at the beginning of the 1880s"
• transport ore to → transportation of ore?
• Repetition of spurred
• The lead needs re-structuring. A three line paragraph, then a six line paragraph, then a one line paragraph doesn't look good.
• However, records pre-dating the existence of the city refer to the area by the same name, due to the shape of the landmass formed by the merging of the river Saksagan into the Inhulets. → Source?
• Ingulets Palanka → This needs explaining, I don't know what this is.
• 5[16] schools → Having a citation after the number makes it difficult to differentiate.
• while others have reduced their workers and output by more than half. → Should this be past tense? (had to reduce)
• Around this time, Kryvyi Rih's status was changed from township to city. It was founded by Uyezd as part of the Yekaterinoslav Governorate. It included 30 volosts. In late 1919, it was briefly ruled by the Volunteer Army.[19] → Not much point have a one line paragraph, so just tack this onto the end of the previous one.
• The city grew rapidly, there are 160 industrial enterprises and 947 shops. → You're using two tenses in this sentence.
• August 1944, Government, → August 1944, the Government,
• government - executive, gendarmerie, police. → government, installing executives, gendarmerie and police forces.
• Gendarmerie should be linked Gendarmerie
• The answer came in the ethnic cleansing → Too informal
• After the war, people lived among the ruins while housing stocks were rebuilt. The housing shortage was met by innovative technological solutions, which meant temporary barracks and houses could be built quickly. The two kinds of cheap new materials [clarification needed] were used later for years afterwards. → Claification tag needs sorting out.
• Explain briefly what the Stakhanovite movement is.
• The city itself is laid out with broad avenues lined by wide sidewalks. Tram lines run down the centre of the major streets. Beside the sidewalks there are usually several rows of trees such as lindens and horse chestnuts. Many people live in rows of 5 to 9 story apartment buildings that are wrapped around large inner courtyards. Many of these courtyards are also filled with trees giving the overall impression that the entire city is built in a park. → Sources?
• Running my eyes over the references, and there are numerous problems. URLs showing, citations not formatted, missing dates, missing access dates, as these are Ukrainian sources for the most part being used on English Wikipedia, language parameters should be inputted into the citation coding.

Summary

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

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   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

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   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Outcome

Looking through the history, I can see that you've spent a lot of time editing this article, and that you've been waiting since November for someone to review it. But, I'm afraid to say, this article is far from meeting GA criteria. There are issues with prose and sourcing, and the references need a lot of work. I strongly recommend that you list this for a Peer Review, and then ask the GOCE to go through it as well. I can't pass this article in its current condition.

Pass or Fail:  — Calvin999 08:14, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

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An error, spotted before I got far into the article

Currently the article says

On May 8, 1775, ... Russian authorities opened a postal station and railway track,

This can't possibly be right. Perhaps what happened around 1775 was the opening of some road. I suppose many other statements in this article should be carefully examined for accuracy. Oaklandguy (talk) 04:36, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Krivoy Rog

I think that "Krivoy Rog" should also be in the header, alongside "Kryvyi Rih". There shows a higher appearance of "Krivoy Rog" in the Ngram Viewer linked here: [1], the graph clearly shows a higher usage of "Krivoy Rog" compared to "Kryvyi Rih". Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 17:03, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Note: Pinging AlbertHog, Mellk, Slava Ukraini Heroyam Slava 123, Wikiexplorationandhelping who were involved in edit disputes. As well as a creation of an RFC. Please remember to ping me if you need me or reply to me. Thank you, Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 17:09, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• STRONG OPPOSE Searching Kryvyi Rih in Google News results in 47,300 results. Searching Krivoy Rog results in much less rusults - only 7,890. It’s obvious that Kryvyi Rih is the common name. This is purely per policy. There are also other valid reasons to not include the russian name that aren’t necessarily based on policy. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 17:16, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  This is a RfC for "Krivoy Rog" to also appear in the lead (as an alternative name) and it is very much clear that this is an alternative name. This is not a WP:RM. Mellk (talk) 17:32, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  No, but it still doesn’t work that way. See MOS:LEADLANG. The lead sentence should only include one foreign language. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 17:48, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  "Krivoy Rog" is in English. See WP:PLACE for alternative names: Nevertheless, other names, especially those used significantly often (say, 10% of the time or more) in the available English literature on a place, past or present, should be mentioned in the article, as encyclopedic information. Two or three alternative names can be mentioned in the first line of the article; it is general Wikipedia practice to bold them so they stand out. If there are more names than this, or the lead section is cluttered, a separate paragraph on the names of the place is often a good idea. Mellk (talk) 18:36, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

  I found another guideline that agrees with this at WP:Naming conventions#General guidelines Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#General guidelines: Relevant foreign language names (one used by at least 10% of sources in the English language or that is used by a group of people which used to inhabit this geographical place) are permitted. With Google News Results of 47,300 and 7,390 in Kryvyi Rih and Krivoy Rog, respectively - I believe that this satisfies the minimum percentage of 10% of sources. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 19:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mellk: @Slava Ukraini Heroyam Slava 123: This is not quite an alternative name, it's just how it's called in one foreign country! Just so you'd know, Kyiv has got exactly the same thing: Ukraine calls it "Kyiv", but many foreigners used to call it "Kiev" in the Russian manner – perhaps, it's due to Kyiv's bilinguality. The majority of world's airports started writing it as KYIV only this year, I guess, after Ukraine got openly really irritated by this :P AlbertHog (talk) 18:50, 15 November 2022 (UTC) @Wikiexplorationandhelping: One damn good oppose bro, this leaves nothing to add. AlbertHog (talk) 18:50, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Oops, I've messed your names up in replies a little (User: Wikiexplorationandhelping and User:Slava Ukraini Heroyam Slava 123), but I hope you've figured it out, sorry for that. AlbertHog (talk) 18:54, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

"Krivoy Rog" is in English and used in English literature. The ngram clearly shows that the statement you made is incorrect. Mellk (talk) 18:57, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

And just because it is used less much less in news articles (there is also no good reason to include only news results), it is still almost 20% of that of Kryvyi Rih and the convention on this is clear. Mellk (talk) 19:02, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree with @AlbertHog:. I don’t buy into this whole “English name” claim. There’s the Ukrainian rendered in English letters, and then there’s the russian name rendered in English letters. I don’t think the second one needs to be written in the lead of the article. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 19:01, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

All good, AlbertHog, I will read everything regardless. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 19:29, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• (invited by the bot): Leave Krivoy Rog out of the lead. It's limited use is explained in the body of the article. North8000 (talk) 19:03, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

This does not follow WP:PLACE. There is also no name section to explain this. Mellk (talk) 19:04, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Why is there no such “name section”? The article Kyiv has a very long section about the name. Surely there can be one sentence explaining it. This does not belong in the lead. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 19:10, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Why does it not belong in the lead? Does "Kiev" not belong in the lead in Kyiv then? Mellk (talk) 19:15, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

No, it doesn’t. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 19:22, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• Comment. Evidence was provided in the Ngram showing significant usage of the name "Krivoy Rog" in English and therefore it being an alternative name. Per WP:PLACE and WP:OTHERNAMES it makes sense to have the alternative name in the lead. Why this should NOT be followed, however, has not been explained with policy-based reasons so far (WP:IDONTLIKEIT). Mellk (talk) 19:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

• This so from 2019, so it’s irrelevant. Due to the 2022 russian invasion of Ukraine, many sources that previously called cities in Ukraine by their russian names started calling them by the Ukrainian names. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 19:28, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mellk: 1) MOS:LEADLANG#Foreign language, provided above by User:Slava Ukraini Heroyam Slava 123 – This explains everything, there is even an example of Chernivtsi Oblast, bordering with Romania and Moldova, and their language is obviously spoken there too…You've gotta check it out, mate. 2) There are no words Kryvyi Rih in English literature, it's just a translation, I think. AlbertHog (talk) 19:28, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mellk: 1) MOS:LEADLANG#Foreign language, provided above by User:Slava Ukraini Heroyam Slava 123 – This explains everything, there is even an example of Chernivtsi Oblast, bordering with Romania and Moldova, and their language is obviously spoken there too…You've gotta check it out, mate. 2) There are no words Kryvyi Rih in English literature, it's just a transliteration, I mean. AlbertHog (talk) 19:32, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

"Krivoy Rog" is not a foreign language name. A foreign language name would be adding "Кривой Рог", but this is not what this is about. Also please fix your formatting issues. Mellk (talk) 19:36, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mellk: I believe that would be better. Something like what the article about Kharkiv has. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 19:47, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

This argument is ridiculous. Kryvyi Rih simply does not have an English name. It does not. Lviv, for example has a Polish name, as well as a German name. In English, the city Kryvyi Rih can be called either by the Ukrainian name rendered in English letters, or by the russian name rendered in English letters. Also, why don’t articles about Novgorod write Novhorod as an alternative name? That’s how it’s called in Ukrainian. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 19:49, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@AlbertHog: Hmm, the article about the city in the oblast, Chernivtsi, does contain the Romanian translation. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 19:39, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

WP:EXIST -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 19:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mellk: This is not a name, it's just a transliteration, that's why I think only MOS:LEADLANG#Foreign language explains things. Krivoy Rog might be a pretty widespread mistransliteration for the reason Ru-net is still far too popular, even in the rest of ex-Soviet countries, not speaking of Whole of Ukraine… AlbertHog (talk) 19:50, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry but this is in English.[2][3] And yes I am sure it's also because of "Ru-net" that these names have been used even before the internet existed. That's enough nonsense for today. Mellk (talk) 19:57, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

One of them is the Ukrainian name, and the second if the russian one. And the city is in Ukraine!!! That's enough nonsense for today. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 20:01, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Russian and Ukrainian do not use latin letters, so these are not Russian and Ukrainian names. Also, the city is in Ukraine!!! is not a policy-based argument. You can stop now. Mellk (talk) 20:05, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Wikiexplorationandhelping: Well, then, it's a mistake, considering the rules mentioned above ;) @Mellk: There are no such words “krivoy, rog" in Ukrainian language, neither in English. So, it's foreign language. I have no formatting issues, it was all made consciously, you know. AlbertHog (talk) 20:03, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

The evidence provided so far disagrees with you. You can stop bludgeoning now, thanks. Let someone else make a policy-based argument. You may also want to review WP:RGW because it is clear from your edit summaries[4][5][6] you really should. Mellk (talk) 20:05, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Mellk, bludgeoning the process like you are doing in Talk:Old East Slavic? Please familiarize yourself with the concept of transliteration. Just because a foreign word gets rendered in English letters does not make it an English word. I can write the name of any city I want from any language I want in a English letters, that won’t make it the English name. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 20:16, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

The dictionaries disagree with you. Just because it is derived from the Russian or Ukrainian spellings does not make it a foreign-language name. Also please don't mention completely irrelevant discussions again. Mellk (talk) 20:25, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mellk: There are no such words in English, this is only a transliteration. Moreover, it's called foreign toponym, not English language... AlbertHog (talk) 20:10, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mellk: So then, can you translate to us this "English word" "kryvyi" into Ukrainian? Please, Begging you! AlbertHog (talk) 20:21, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

This is about "Kryvyi Rih", not "kryvyi", so this argument is nonsensical. Mellk (talk) 20:25, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mellk: Oh and one more thing: the equivalent to Ukrainian "Kryvyi Rih" in English is "Crooked Horn", which is said in the preambula. AlbertHog (talk) 20:28, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mellk: You can translate even Kryvyi Rih into Ukrainian, if you want so! I don't mind such self-educating. So, how is it? AlbertHog (talk) 20:32, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

"Crooked Horn" is the literal translation of the word in Ukrainian. The city is not called "Crooked Horn" in English. But I do not see the point of replying to what has already been refuted. Save the closer the trouble of reading through all the pointless text. My comment above still accurately sums this up. Mellk (talk) 20:35, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

BTW, the article is 12 years old. Why the new push right now to give the Russian name for a Ukraine city more prominence? North8000 (talk) 20:38, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Actually, the alternative name was there until driveby editors recently began trying to remove "Russian names" from articles.[7] What you should be asking instead, is why there is a push for having these removed? Mellk (talk) 20:46, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

It was there all the time before socks came [8]. I am not sure why we are even discussing this. Ymblanter (talk) 20:56, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

COMMENT Check out the Ukrainian article about George Washington. Джордж Вашингтон. If you think that Kryvyi Rih and Krivoy Rog are English names just because they are written in English letters, then you have to also say that Джордж is an Ukrainian name because it’s written in Ukrainian letters. Also check out the article Ендрю Джексон about Andrew Jackson. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 21:11, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I am sorry to say this but the above comment shows that you do not know what you are talking about. Ymblanter (talk) 21:17, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Mellk told that those two names are not Ukrainian and russian because Russian and Ukrainian do not use latin letters. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 23:03, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mellk: I'm still waiting for the meaning of these "English wonderwords like "kryvyi, rih" or their translation to Ukrainian. This would surely prove words are English. Ukrainians know both the Slavic languages, this doesn't mean their toponymy needs translation to Russian everywhere, it's not Canada. – Russians don't know Ukrainian, that's why they always use Russian-transliterated toponymy for Ukrainian locations; and Ru-net is bigger, that's why some Uks use it too in the web and search instead of Ukrainian – this is where all the search counts come from, your point is miserable. You see, people search for information, and they don't know yet where it's fuller, so sometimes it goes like this. Passers by don't care so much what language it is written in, but when it comes to scientific matters, only the correct names come in use, no nicknames and no Russianisms, I think.
@Ymblanter: So what? Just because it's always been there doesn't mean it's right, no? Like this: MOS:LEADLANG#Foreign language. And yes, the Chernivtsi case is wrong too. AlbertHog (talk) 21:56, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Sure, everybody is wrong, and you, with 70 edits, are right. Ymblanter (talk) 21:58, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

WP:NPA Do not make personal attacks anywhere on Wikipedia. Comment on content, not on the contributor. Personal attacks harm the Wikipedia community and the collaborative atmosphere needed to create a good encyclopedia. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 22:48, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Ymblanter: Being so rude, you haven’t said any yet except saying we're not your good lol. I can't remember you saying anything intellectual at all, pal. You started showing off just after you showed up… AlbertHog (talk) 22:04, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for teaching me Wikipedia policies. Certainly, I would never had a chance to learn them without you. Ymblanter (talk) 22:07, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Ymblanter:What does number of edits change? AlbertHog (talk) 22:06, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

@Ymblanter: Actually, I learned this today thanks to User:Slava Ukraini Heroyam Slava 123. It's impossible to know everything by yourself. You're welcome!, and it's never too late to learn. AlbertHog (talk) 22:13, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

So I guess that Ukrainians and others were somewhat accepting about alternate Russian names for Ukrainian cities. And after the invasion less so. I guess the one thing that I'm sure of is that it should be well explained in the article, including any recent changes in usage/ acceptance during 2022. The previous wording (as pointed out to me) of "also known as" might now be obsolete or have more recently become a stronger and more controversial claim than it was previously. And so I think that that statement or presence in the first sentence should not currently be done. But I think I need to back away from my previous "not in the lead" statement. The name Krivoy Rog has some prominence for the city, at least historically, even if is more recently being rejected. And the lead should be a summary of the article. Perhaps a 1 sentence summary of the Krivoy Rog material (including any recent updates) later in the lead might be a good thing/ good compromise. I don't plan to watch this so please ping me if you think I can be of any help. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 22:43, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

The point here is that the majority of the population of the city speak Russian as their mothertongue. It would be indeed good to explain in more detail. Ymblanter (talk) 22:47, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Ukrainians never mind someone speaking Russian in casual life, but since Ukraine's independence (1991) we have never accepted using Russian names in the official or public space. Russian was the common language for all USSR, now this just doesn’t work out any more. The decommunization movement in politics as itself started only shortly after the war began, in 2015 to be accurate. This is a very responsible, delicate process, so it is still ongoing slowly even inside Ukraine, not speaking of giving some international acquitances ;) @Ymblanter: Like speak What(??!) as mothertongue?! Why do you think so? Jizz…you still trolling, right? Yes, there are some Russophones in KR, but depending on the age, origin, ancestry, district or enviroment… but majority(?!) Meh…

AlbertHog (talk) 00:13, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Support. Usually we mention the names of places in locally spoken languages. Considering that the majority of the population of the city is Russophone, it should be added. Alaexis_¿question? 07:54, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@Alaexis: And once again
1)It's not Russophone. Well, I mean mostly not. It's bilingual (in every possible way), more or less, (except some particular estates more or less), but Russian never dominates over Ukrainian, that's just nonsense and this fact proves it can't be called Russophone after all. It's bilingual in some ways, this is not the same thing, you know, not everyone gets this statement right. Do you think I'm lying?
2)And once again: this MOS:LEADLANG#Foreign language leaves no chance to another translations in preambula.
But are you proposing to make an exception? Personally I mind this, if what…Thanks for taking part in this discussion, it's pretty topical. AlbertHog (talk) 17:01, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Please stop bludgeoning. Especially since every comment you add makes this RfC look more and more messy. Mellk (talk) 17:13, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I might have been mistaken about the majority being Russophone, but in 2001 27% of the residents considered Russian to be their mother tongue (uk:Населення_Кривого_Рогу#Мовний_склад). I was quite surprised to read about only one foreign name being allowed in the lede. The same policy says that "The title can be followed in the first sentence by one or two alternative names in parentheses." In practice we almost always include the languages of significant minorities (cf. Ufa, Rennes, San Sebastián) in the lede. Alaexis_¿question? 20:48, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

It seems contradictory to WP:LEADALT. Mellk (talk) 20:54, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mellk: It doesn’t have any alternative names, but surely has foreign translations. Its name in Hebrew was for some time in some other language's preambula, it's been already removed too, dunno why.
…Still waiting for the requested translation btw. If it's so messy, you can still solve this by providing a translation, that's what your, without a doubt, not-bludgeoning intelligence is needed for. Proofs needed. Have some progress? AlbertHog (talk) 18:59, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

No, this is an alternative name. If "Kryvyi Rih" and "Krivoy Rog" are foreign language names as you say, by that logic there are two foreign language names in the lead now, "Kryvyi Rih" and "Кривий Ріг". Apparently the former is not actually in English and they are both Ukrainian. And the German "Krywyj Rih" is also Ukrainian. Even though they use letters not part of the Ukrainian alphabet. See WP:SATISFY. This is very much bludgeoning. Mellk (talk) 19:26, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

there are two foreign language names in the lead now. No, there’s one name rendered in two different alphabets. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 22:31, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mellk: You said Kryvyi Rih is foreingn name (English, you said). I asked you to translate this "English name" into Ukrainian, you failed, as I see. That's because it already IS Ukrainian, but not English.
Kryvyi Rih is Ukrainian (native), transliterated into English. Krivoy Rog is in Russian (foreign), transliterated into English.
Krywyj Rih? Ukrainian words written in German letters.
And finally, Kryvyi means Crooked, Rih means Horn. "Crooked Horn" would be English, but not just some English transliteration.
You don't even know Ukrainian, do you? That maybe makes you so curious about this. AlbertHog (talk) 20:26, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

I never said "Kryvyi Rih" is a foreign language name. You said "Krivoy Rog" is a foreign language name and therefore does not belong in the lead. This is English Wikipedia. Names in English are not foreign language names. "Kryvyi Rih" in Ukrainian is "Кривий Ріг". This is getting reaaaally silly. Mellk (talk) 20:33, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Please stop repeating this ridiculous argument over and over again. “Kryvyi Rih” and “Кривий Ріг” are the same name rendered in two different alphabets. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 20:54, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mellk: The city is situated in Ukraine, this wiki is English…What should Russian name be doing in this wiki? Because it's foreign.

This city Vienna, in Ukraine we call it Viden’. Why don't they add this name in the English wiki? -Because it's Austrian, but not Uk! AlbertHog (talk) 17:40, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Because as the Ngram shows you, "Krivoy Rog" is used often in English literature. At this point this is WP:IDHT. Mellk (talk) 18:40, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Using Ngram for finding which term is more popular has many pitfalls. Kryvyi Rih is clearly the common name, and there’s no need to mention multiple foreign names. Thanks, -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 20:52, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Once again, this is not a WP:RM. No one is saying to move the article. The Ngram clearly shows it is an alternative name in English, so per the guidelines, there is a valid reason to include it as such in the lead. Once again WP:IDHT. Mellk (talk) 21:06, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Mellk, actually the repeated use of your arguments despite being debunked, that writing words by English letters somehow turns them to English words is much more similar to WP:IDHT. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 20:57, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

It is not my fault if you do not know what you are talking about. But I am sure you are the expert already. Mellk (talk) 21:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

And please stop pinging me. Mellk (talk) 21:09, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Then I guess Povist’ vremennykh lit is also in English. Unless your argument Russian and Ukrainian do not use latin letters, so these are not Russian and Ukrainian names for some reason stopped being valid here. Also, I’m sure you are the expert because of 13,185 edits. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 21:20, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

No, in English it is known as Primary Chronicle. Mellk (talk) 21:27, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

So then, the topic's alt name in English should be Crooked Horn, but not Krivoy Rog???AlbertHog (talk) 23:11, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Looks like yes. I’m waiting to learn in what language is “Povist’ vremennykh lit”. According to Mellk, it can’t be in Ukrainian because Ukrainian does not use Latin letters, and it’s also not in English. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 09:25, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

We are talking about place names, please stop making silly comparisons. Mellk (talk) 13:19, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

One would think that the argument Russian and Ukrainian do not use latin letters, so these are not Russian and Ukrainian names would apply also here. Maybe not. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 13:28, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

You are beating a dead horse. Mellk (talk) 13:35, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Possibly. But still there’s no consensus to add “Krivoy Rog” as an alternative name and consensus is official policy. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 16:39, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mellk: In Ukraine and rest of Europe, the fuehrer of Russian Federation Putin is often mentioned as Huylo (sorry, but Ngram proves this). Is this his alt name? Can we put it on his Wiki page? Because, you see, this is obviously an English word, and surely not Ukrainian strong word! It’s just his alt name! But the Ngram. ;))) AlbertHog (talk) 21:50, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

@AlbertHog: Mind linking the Ngram here? Then propose that change on the talk page there. Also, please see this indentation guideline to minimize ambiguity with replies. Thanks, Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 02:07, 19 November 2022 (UTC) Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 02:56, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

This is an English word because Ukrainian doesn’t use Latin letters. It should definitely be listed as his alternative name, and also the lead sentence should call him “fuehrer” because this word is also widely used when talking about him. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 12:42, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Clearly you have no clue about WP policies. But you are the expert apparently. Mellk (talk) 13:20, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Please refrain from personal attacks. Thanks in advance, -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 13:36, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

This is not a personal attack. Mellk (talk) 13:44, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Also, the russian name was only added to the article on November 10, 2022. There’s a recent push to include it, not a recent push to remove it. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 09:42, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

If you check random revisions before that, you will notice that the russian name is absent: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and so on. Do you think I’m cherry-picking? Feel free to check it yourself. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 09:51, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

The diffs were already provided. The alt name was there for years until it was removed by IP info warriors earlier this year. Mellk (talk) 13:21, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

@Mellk: Are you trying to allow this translationbecause a city is too popular amongst Russians? Is this it? AlbertHog (talk) 16:01, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Personally I don't think English WP needs to have a translation added, which only Russians would understand = / So it would be… AlbertHog (talk) 16:03, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: Also, this RFC was created by one user to add “Krivoy Rog“ as an alternative name. Clearly there’s no consensus to do so. Therefore it shouldn’t be listed in the lead. In addition, russian is not a significant language because the city is in Ukraine. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 16:42, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

  There are more than just one user supporting an addition of "Krivoy Rog" than just me, see comments above. With that added, the origin of "Krivoy Rog" should also be put alongside it, which is from Russian. "Russian is not a significant language because the city is in Ukraine" isn't correct. A lot of people speak or know Russian in Ukraine, either as a first language or second language. Again, with the Ngram I provided, it is certainly enough for me to add "Krivoy Rog" in the header, at least for historical reasons. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 17:07, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

• Reply@Wikiexplorationandhelping: It would be more acceptable generally if the Russification of Ukraine wasn't made by force (by USSR mostly), was no 1930's Holocaust and alfter all, the nowadays War…
  You should know Ukro-Russians never mind speaking and knowing the national language and when a Riger speaks Russian, it still sounds a lot like Ukrainian, my point is that Ukrainian is never displaced into #2 by Russian – it still sounds in institutions, from tv and so on, so even Russians admit the Ukro-Russian thing, but not Russo-Ukrainian model.
  The Russian-speaking significance never was and for now it has almost dissoluted and kinda equated to slang (imho). There is one good example: Kuban', Voronezh Oblast, Belgorod Oblast, Rostov Oblast and so on were once a part of Ukraine, and there was a significant Ukrainian majority. And it's impossible to claim they are Russians when I hear them speak. But I think they are still not repressed for their Ukrainian words and accent…the same goes on here about Russian. But the Anglophones don't need to know how foreigners and the ethnic minorities call it. As I said, the Yiddish name was removed too by some reason. AlbertHog (talk) 13:35, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

• @Wikiexplorationandhelping:, the Ngram you linked to is not up to date since it’s only till 2019. Due to the the current war, many sources have stopped calling Ukrainian cities by the russian names and started to call them by their Ukrainian names. If the ngram showed results from 2022, we would be able to make conclusions. Currently, the russian name is used in English only by a small minority. Notice that the article Old East Slavic doesn’t write Old Ukrainian as an alternative name in the description, and the admins even opposed to writing that “Old russian” is a misnomer, despite the fact that it factually is inaccurate and reliable sources say so. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 17:52, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

  Even if “Krivoy Rog” is the “historical name”, that doesn’t mean it should be added. The article London does not include the historic name Londonium. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 17:56, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

  Because it does not even compare[9] and refers to a Roman settlement from a couple thousand years ago. It is not an alternative name for London. Again, another really bad comparison and you keep incorrectly referring to WP:EXIST but keep mentioning other articles.

  Also you cannot simply dismiss all sources from before 2020, even Google News you mentioned still shows it used enough to be an alternative name. Mellk (talk) 03:08, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

  But Old Ukrainian is an alternative name of Old East Slavic. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 08:53, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

  Also it’s much more accurate that “Old russian” but despite that “Old russian” is mentioned in the lead and “Old Ukrainian” isn’t. Not only that, I submitted a request in the relevant discussion page and YOU were against it. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 08:56, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

  Not to mention that “Krivoy Rog” is not the alternative name of Kryvyi Rih in English. It’s just the name in russian, and it’s irrelevant because this is not russian Wikipedia. Keep it out of the lead sentence. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 10:22, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

  This is not how RfCs work. Facepalm. Mellk (talk) 03:11, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: Please add bulletins in front of the comments section as done in this comment, and reply to the correct thread. It takes one big headache for me to read this, no offense intended. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 17:14, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

• @Wikiexplorationandhelping:, this problem can be solved by importing voting templates from English Wikibooks, see Template:Support, Template:Oppose, Template:Neutral, and Template:Comment. I might request to import them but I’m not sure where the correct place to do so is. Maybe @North8000: can help. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 17:40, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Since the name was in the article for ages and was removed without discussion, if the RfC is closed as no consensus the name must be restored.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:12, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

This doesn’t make sense at all. @Odoacer Rex:, please remove the russian name from the lead sentence. There is clearly no consensus to add it and the name was removed long ago. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 13:22, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

"Krivoy Rog" is already partly used later the article and appears in the references, especially when World War Two or the Soviet era is concerned. Removing it will do nothing but confuse people who may be studying or researching their family history. However, I will make it clear that the city is now Kryvyi Rih and not Krivoy Rog. This is not politically motivated, but based on encyclopedic principles. Odoacer Rex (talk) 13:39, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

I do not think formerly known is correct. It is still known by both names. Ymblanter (talk) 17:08, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

No, it’s correct. Also all mentions of “Krivoy Rog” in the article should be changed to “Kryvyi Rih”. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 17:31, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Notice, I still think that including the russian name in the lead sentence isn’t useful to readers. I think the fact that the page “Krivoy Rog” redirects to Kryvyi Rih is enough to solve the confusion, however writing that it was formerly known is a better alternative to how it was before that. -🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦Україні🇺🇦Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦(talk)🇺🇦 20:09, 23 November 2022 (UTC)