Talk:Titanic (1997 film)

Plot and Script Errors

There should perhaps be a section in the Article dealing with plot errors, of which there are at least two major examples. First, Rose and Jack are responsible for the ship hitting the iceberg, which of course led directly to the sinking, as they distracted the lookouts by kissing and making out in public. "Cor look at that..." said the lookout, spending crucial seconds looking the wrong way as the iceberg came unavoidably close. Second, we must remember that the entire movie is in flashback and what we are really seeing is Old Rose telling the salvage crew what happened. Part of what she tells them is that Cal says to the detective, "I put the jewel in the coat, and I put the coat on her!" In other words, Rose is telling the salvage crew that she has the jewel.

Poster Block Revived

Reviving the topic of the poster billing block and including Gloria Stuart and Victor Garber in the starring list, considering it was never resolved. While acknowledging the Wikipedia rule of the starring list, this is a unique case because Titanic was the biggest blockbuster of all time, if it isn’t still. Because of this, there were multiple posters at the time of release. And if there is varying information, shouldn’t the option with the most information be used? As I previously said, it’s a fact well known that Victor Garber’s agent made a point to make sure his name was on the billing block of the posters when the film was released, so the fact that his name is on some of the original posters is indisputable. And, considering this, since there is varying information with the source of posters, then you should go to the second best option available: the end credits. Where, indisputably, Garber and Stuart are listed among the stars of the film. They’re on some of the originals and a point was made that such a thing was done, they’re on every single DVD, Blu-Ray, poster, vinyl from the 20th anniversary re-release onwards, and since the poster source is shaky, they’re stars in the end credits. It’s a unique case and there are multiple posters and the billing block with the most of the cast should be used just from a logical standpoint, or since there’s no conclusive answer because of the anomaly of the multiple posters released at the same time with altering billing blocks, then there's plan B, which is written in black and white in the Wikipedia rules: the end credits where, also in black and white, Gloria Stuart and Victor Garber’s names are present.

Dewilde1997 (talk) 10:51, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

If this is a revival of a previously-discussed topic, can you please link to the prior discussion? Thanks! DonIago (talk) 16:57, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

The prior discussion is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Titanic_(1997_film)/Archive_10

Dewilde1997 (talk) 20:41, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Initial release

The film was initially released in South Africa but I do not see that stated anywhere in the article, why? Motlatlaneo (talk) 14:46, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Do you have a source? If so, add it? DonIago (talk) 18:29, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2021

Change one small age error of Kate Winslet in Cast section from age 22 to 20

I can't find my wiki code. Article states the 22 year old Winslet heavily campaigned Cameron for the role. However, before production began in Sept 1996 (facts as stated in the Production section of this Titanic article and that are quite obvious since a movie of this magnitude had to be filmed far before it's Nov 1997 release) she would have been heavily petitioning for the role and would have been 20 when trying to convince Cameron (she was born in Oct 1975 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Winslet ).

When the movie was finally released in Nov 1997 she had just turned 22 years old a month earlier. So she was fighting for the part at age 20. Started filming it at age 20 (assuming she was there at start of filming), and turned 21 while filming it. And movie was released when she was 22.

Thank you. 72.28.209.33 (talk) 15:35, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

I just took the age out, since it's not particularly pertinent and is kinda confusing. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 02:08, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2022

I would want to mention that Titanic is considered one of the best films of all time. 89.70.56.2 (talk) 11:24, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Hemantha (talk) 11:59, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Conversation between Ismay and Smith

"White Star Line’s ignorant, boorish managing director, who influences Captain Smith to go faster with the prospect of an earlier arrival in New York and favorable press attention; while this action appears in popular portrayals of the disaster, it is unsupported by evidence."

The evidence is the testimony of Elizabeth Lines who stated that she overheard the conversation between Ismay and Smith in the D-Deck Reception room on April 13, 1912 (as seen in the film, although it is a far more condensed version of her testimony). Historians have argued back and forth for decades on whether or not she heard what she heard, but the entry makes no mention of the testimony in which the "action" is based. Here is a link directly to her full testimony. I think is important to include it to give the reader an understanding of why this appears in so many Titanic films. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8080:7202:A595:25EE:4D30:FA49:32BE (talk) 11:01, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 7 April 2022

All the information for this movie is all wrong. I wish to correct it. 2600:1700:8780:4600:50C4:B7BA:79B4:51A4 (talk) 00:30, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:38, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Heart of the Ocean

This article says there were 3 different versions of the necklace. Two were used in the film, the third was made after the movie release. This is all true. However what is not mentioned is that there was a third version made last minute to be used to throw into the ocean. If you search interviews of the Titanic production designer, Peter LaMont, one will find instances where he discusses a “facsimile” version that was made “right at the very end so it could be thrown into the water.”

I found this in research because I personally just acquired this prop by a week known credible auction company, and with two certificates of authentic saying the Heart of the Ocean prop was used in the “shipwreck scene.” It has a wire laced around the chain in order for the necklace to fall and slowly spin flat in the water, as seen in the last scene in the movie when old Rose drops it in the ocean of the shipwreck exploration ship. I have other information saying this prop was previously sold in a museum auction in Florida in 2003 to a person who gifted it to her granddaughter. I acquired the prop in 2022.

Regardless of my own personal acquisition, there is public documentation where Peter LaMont references this third screen used prop.

In summary there were 3 screen used versions. 1. The original hero prop necklace 2. The J Peterman necklace which is briefly seen when Cal removes from the safe while the ship is sinking, and his assistant Lovejoy slips it into the jacket pocket worn by Jack. 3. The “Facsimile” or “shipwreck scene” version that is seen dropping into the ocean.

Both the versions 1 and 2 were Asprey designs. Version 2 is called the J Peterman version only because Peterman bought it “for less than $1000” after he secured licensing to reproduce replicas.

The fourth version was also an Asprey design that was made after the film, and worn by Celine Dion. It was purchased by an Asprey client for 1.4 million with the agreement Dion would wear it twice.

I have more info that I’ve researched, and I am in the process of contacting 20th Century Fox for additional verification.

Heath Claiborne Capitol Theatre Maryville, TN Capitol1910 (talk) 10:58, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Listing of Parody & Jokes & Memes & etc

Mention was made of numerous after-effects but no section specifically listing some or all of those.

Firstly, I am suggesting a new section, "Cultural Responses".

Secondly, I am suggesting under that new section, there be sub-sections: Parody, Jokes, Memes, Commercials, Literary References, Call Outs in Other Movies, Audio Samplings, etc.

Howard from NYC (talk) 17:36, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Not really in favor of it, especially as such sections tend to end up filled with listcruft that doesn't satisfy WP:IPCV. DonIago (talk) 19:54, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Agree with Doniago. Those sections are not standard inclusions in articles that I've seen and are not Encyclopedic. I wouldn't be against an In popular culture section, however this section has it's drawbacks also. - FlightTime (open channel) 20:11, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Okay let's talk about success in India

Titanic was not the first film successful in India and also this is not necessary to mention Anshul Srivastava.21 (talk) 18:34, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

I noticed in your edit summary that you say Jurassic Park was a success before Titanic, but the NYT's point was that the English language Titanic was a success; Jurassic Park was dubbed into Hindi, Tamil, and Telugu for its release in India, so its success doesn't contradict the NYT source. Schazjmd (talk) 18:56, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

First let's talk about why to include this in the first place

By this manner Titanic will also become successful in many countries too

Right there it's says biggest cinema crowd is in India

Wrong biggest crowd is china for world market and then it's USA

Second thing it's not necessary to discuss or to give individual success about evry country

It's just looking biased edit from the person who edited that first

I'm also an Indian but referring India as the biggest cinema crowd and that to in 11997 is far more than from reality

Yes today india is a big cinema audience

But this edit just want like to say that Tiat ic become famous and hit because of I dia hit

And also I will point the fact that Tiatnic like anyother film was also available in English and so as Jurassic park Anshul Srivastava.21 (talk) 19:48, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Also please note what is meant by success here Titanic and jusrrasic succes in India in terms of money

Then Success if money spiderman was the first most successful film Anshul Srivastava.21 (talk) 19:51, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

If successful in adjusted succes including today then Jurassic will be ahead of time Anshul Srivastava.21 (talk) 19:52, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

First film to earn more than 10 million in India is Jurassic Anshul Srivastava.21 (talk) 19:53, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

I fixed the indents for your comments; you can see WP:INDENT to learn how to use indentation on talk pages properly.

Wikipedia articles summarize what reliable sources say on a topic. You have provided no reliable sources to dispute the New York Times article. Schazjmd (talk) 20:12, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Oh I don't know indent one thanks

First realible source is Wikipedia itself

Jurassic park according to Wikipedia earned around 20 crores 200 M in India and Titanic earned 50 crores or 500 M

Before Jurassic the the most successful film earned only 4 millions

So in this case the first huge success is Jurassic not Titanic

Anshul Srivastava.21 (talk) 20:18, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films_in_India Anshul Srivastava.21 (talk) 20:19, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Please check this link Anshul Srivastava.21 (talk) 20:20, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

I fixed your indents again, please learn. Second, Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Schazjmd (talk) 20:21, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Anshul Srivastava.21 (talk) this — Preceding undated comment added 20:25, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2022

Please add the following template to the article:

2601:241:300:B610:7D07:2974:4F71:665E (talk) 02:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done Of the universe (talk) 17:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Re-releases

Titanic was initially released in 1997, then re-released in 2012 (100th anniversary of the ship sinking), 2017, 2020 and 2023 (25th anniversary of the film). Shouldn't these get their own subheadings under 'release' with the relevant information (tickets, grossing, premiers, etc)? Pabloh94 (talk) 16:06, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

I think so. Rlendog (talk) 16:23, 9 January 2023 (UTC)