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::BTW, I can't imagine the category would be deleted, though the editor in question is a persistent one. However, should that happen, there'd be one great list page to create — which can be done anyway though of course that can wait until all the votes are in. [[User:Allreet|Allreet]] ([[User talk:Allreet|talk]]) 16:27, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
::BTW, I can't imagine the category would be deleted, though the editor in question is a persistent one. However, should that happen, there'd be one great list page to create — which can be done anyway though of course that can wait until all the votes are in. [[User:Allreet|Allreet]] ([[User talk:Allreet|talk]]) 16:27, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
:::More nice finds {{u|Allreet}}, thanks, I really missed many good ones. My favorite personally visited ffounder home is [[Peacefield]], Adams' place, which should imo be as well-known and honored as Washington's Mount Vernon, and Jefferson's and Madison's homes. It probably misses out because it was never on a long-lasting coin. I'd put George Mason's place on that level as well, but surely Peacefield deserves more attention and historic acclaim. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 16:53, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
:::More nice finds {{u|Allreet}}, thanks, I really missed many good ones. My favorite personally visited ffounder home is [[Peacefield]], Adams' place, which should imo be as well-known and honored as Washington's Mount Vernon, and Jefferson's and Madison's homes. It probably misses out because it was never on a long-lasting coin. I'd put George Mason's place on that level as well, but surely Peacefield deserves more attention and historic acclaim. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 16:53, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
::::No you didn't...miss many good ones. I was impressed with your thoroughness. The list now stands at exactly 100, and I found what? A half dozen at most. Meanwhile, I'm in the process of replying to one of the editors. The idea that this violates WP:AssociatedWith is preposterous. That means they don't understand both the subject and the guideline. These homes are about as rare as hounds teeth. We've found most of them, and just the fact that they all qualified for their own WP articles speaks volumes as to their notability. Not to be too unkind, but this is what happens in a world where anyone can be an editor. Me? I'm all for dictatorships. :) [[User:Allreet|Allreet]] ([[User talk:Allreet|talk]]) 17:44, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Revision as of 17:44, 2 February 2023

For entertainment porpoises only:
"Time: Illusion stirred into gravity"
- Motto of The Salvation Space Force
(new comments on bottom of page please)

If you've never seen...

. . .Veiled Christ, a statue in Naples, Italy, depicting a knobbly-kneed Christ in the tomb, maybe click the image two or three times to enlarge it. This almost unbelievable 1753 sculpture ("how'd he do that?"), carved from one piece of marble, has one of the only two Wikipedia article's which have to prove, with sources, that the topic was not the work of an alchemist (Anatomical machines, the second topic - exhibited at the same site). Step right up, and don't miss the modern looking couch, the two pillows with tassels, or the crown of thorns and other torture things down by the feet. All of that carved from the same block of marble. Then literally a few steps away from Veiled Christ sits another "how'd he do that?" piece also carved from a single block of marble (or created by alchemy).

One of life's pleasures

Watching Secretariat's 1973 Triple Crown races in order while knowing three things: 1) both his trainer and jockey finally realized, before the last race, that their horse could run at full speed from start to finish, 2) although drastically held back in his first two runs, Secretariat still holds the fastest time in all three Triple Crown races, and 3) Sham, the horse Secretariat trashed like a dancing bear in the first race - the Kentucky Derby - still holds the Derby record for the second fastest time.

Here's the Kentucky Derby...holds him back...holds him wayyyy back, then the Preakness...holds him back, holds him back, and finally...the Belmont "he is moving like a tre-men-dous machine".

Possible best vandal edits in the categories of...

This one time at band camp I vandalized a page

The docents ask people: "Find the cat". Letting the coolness of it lead me to break my oath as a Wikipedian, I now self-identify as a vandal.

Always interesting

"The problem with Wikipedia is that it only works in practice. In theory, it can never work." quoted by User:Kizor in the New York Times

See and listen to Wikipedia edits as they occur. Designed by Stephen LaPorte and Mahmoud Hashemi of hatnote.com, the link was copied from a user page, don't remember where, but deservedly displayed on quite a few as well as having its own article. Just who is making all this noise? Well...

...the size of our stadium

Here is another user's subpage about how many Wikipedians can dance on the head of a pin.

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Check this mystery out

Talk:Niece and nephew#Two generations???. A huge error has been prominent in the short lead of 'Niece and nephew' since March 2020, almost two years and nine months ago. The question "Why?" could qualify as a subject of a college thesis. It stayed uncorrected while 576,135 readers purposely came to the page, and if anyone noticed they didn't bother to correct it or tell anyone on Wikipedia, until an editor pointed it out on the talk page today. Fascinating on several levels. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited American, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page American Association.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:04, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Holidays

 Season's greetings!
I hope this holiday season is safe, festive and fulfilling and filled with love and kindness, and that 2023 will be safe, healthy, successful and rewarding...keep hope alive....Modernist (talk) 19:08, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much Modernist, and joy all year around for you and yours. A beautiful Mattisse, and a studio ready to be utilized. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:31, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Holidays

Happy Holidays
Hello, I wish you the very best during the holidays. And I hope you have a very happy 2023! Bruxton (talk) 01:54, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Bruxton, much appreciated, and the best year ever to you and yours. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:05, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

December 2022

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 15:00, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Goody, a trip to the woodshed. At least it will get some eyes on the Milky Way page and talk page and resolve a long standing but obviously "the Solar System" solved dispute. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:06, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Help starting business please

I suggest people should just gift the unfortunate. I'm so sorry


Rip man lst u be asleep we all love u so much

Just in case love use Uncle Roger 211.27.130.238 (talk) 17:06, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain a bit further, thanks. Is the Uncle Roger you speak of the comedian Nigel Ng? Randy Kryn (talk) 23:39, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The donation banners - re: User talk:Jimbo Wales

Just use an adblocker. I use Ublock Origin and have never seen one, even when I get unexplicably logged out. LilianaUwU (talk / contribs) 11:26, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I was commenting about what readers would experience, many don't use adblockers (maybe mine isn't working and should be, thanks for the mention, will check). Randy Kryn (talk) 11:30, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If it isn't working, it may be because you have to manually pick the element you want blocked - usually it's by clicking the adblocker icon. LilianaUwU (talk / contribs) 11:32, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. My computer knowledge rivals the level of a first grader (well, maybe a little less these days). Randy Kryn (talk) 11:33, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Years! (and civil rights FAC)

Hi Randy, I see that you are one of the leading members of the CRM WikiProject (who are still active). I was wondering if you would be able to review my FAC, the Ole Miss riot of 1962. I figure it needs just one more solid review before promotion, and, through 2023, I hope to rehaul and promote more CRM articles, particularly the Assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. and the Little Rock Nine. If you don't have the time/energy, no worries. And, of course, Happy New Years! ~ HAL333 23:17, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello HAL333, and Happy New Year. I've never done a feature review and the format seems unusual to me (editors who find mistakes don't fix them but just list them, seems counterproductive), but looked at the page and it seems fine and I'm sure it'll pass muster. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:16, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No worries — cheers, ~ HAL333 16:02, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year, Randy Kryn!

Happy New Year!

Randy Kryn,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
Abishe (talk) 12:16, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Abishe (talk) 12:16, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Abishe, and the best of New Year's to you and yours as well! Randy Kryn (talk) 12:18, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Happy New Year, Randy Kryn!

Happy New Year!

Randy Kryn,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
— Moops ⋠T⋡ 23:36, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks Moops, and a happy and great 2023 to you and yours. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:19, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Aye Randy, just want to say thanks for your support and kind words at Templates for discussion. I've gone ahead and conceded and have substituted the template markup into the article. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 01:12, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome, hopefully your solution works out to your satisfaction. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:03, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rosalinde von Ossietzky-Palm

I think, Randy, I've now put together a sufficiently detailed biography of Rosalinde von Ossietzky-Palm. Although she is frequently referred to as Rosalinda (probably from Swedish influence), her name appears to be Rosalinde and I have altered things accordingly. I find that reverting the actions of other editors often leads to unfortunate misunderstandings and conflicts. I will therefore not attempt to add the article to List of peace activists but would appreciate your reconsidering its inclusion. It seems to me that a Jewish woman who has been awarded two German peace prizes deserves recognition.--Ipigott (talk) 11:17, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Will answer at the initial discussion on your talk page. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:31, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A request

Hi Randy. I know you and I have talked in the past about the situation with Awolf58, and I've gotten the impression we take positions that are roughly different sides of the same coin—that he's a promising editor who's gotten himself into trouble and should learn to stay out of it. I see that across his past few accounts, he's sent you pings regarding his desire to create a biography of you, and you've responded to those pings with feedback. I understand that, from your perspective, you are helping someone create content. However, as far as policy is concerned, this is someone who was duly banned by the community; and while WP:PROXYING has an allowance for content that an editor in good standing has independent reasons for making, in this case it would be WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY for you to make any of these edits in yourself—which as you may know, while not strictly forbidden, is strongly discouraged, and I don't think was the sort of thing the community had in mind when establishing that exception to WP:BANREVERT.

Now, per WP:NOTCOMPULSORY, I can't compel you to report Awolf sox when you come upon them, but could I ask that, if you do get pinged by some newer account looking to biographize you, you simply ignore it? I have seen other valued content creators stray across the line from "permissibly looking the other way with sox" to "impermissibly helping sox" and get in trouble for it, and I don't want to see that happen here. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 21:40, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks Tamzin, I'll stop discussing any of the bio stuff, he'll understand that and it makes Wikipedia policy sense. I think we both assume that admins either watch my pings and edits to newish user pages, or at least check them periodically, so when he writes to me he already assumes that particular account will be banned. I realize that his bio page about me could not be published under his accounts, as it would be deleted if authored alone, but he has gotten it pretty right (although with a few major mistakes and a joke or two), so the only way it would be published is if someone else took it on, double-checked the sources and the text for original research, years, and emphasis, and put it up for new article review if they thought it had a chance of passing. The main reason and point of adding a bio page seems accurate, that this Kryn guy, as an amateur historian and with the help of a couple major historians (although much of the collab he mentions between myself and Garrow occurred when Garrow, as a volume editor, used one of my papers and allowed a new addendum), further spotlighted the Civil Rights Movement deeds and clarified the pivotal importance of James Bevel into academic view and academic literature. The editor (and fellow Wikipedian) recognized this, and in good faith believes that doing so is notable. In any case, he put together a not-too-bad page, and it surprised me that some of the data was sourceable. But I'll stop discussing it with them, thanks for putting up some playing field limits. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:46, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Homes of United States Founding Fathers has been nominated for deletion

Category:Homes of United States Founding Fathers has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. User:Namiba 16:42, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia alternatives

With the abrupt ban of User:Chinakpradhan and the resulting excesses of administrative actions such as the indiscriminate reversion of good edits, you might be interested in trying out Justapedia or Encycla to put useful contents that otherwise fall afoul of gentrifying Wikipedia standards and pursuant to the adage of not putting many eggs in one basket. The former is made by Wikipedian User:Atsme and is currently in an invite-only beta. Here's hoping that you and the rest can stay clear of the ugly meta aspect of Wikipedia; after all there are too many stories on Wikipediocracy, Wikipedia Review and Wikipediasucks.co about those. 2A01:8640:12:1:0:0:38A:C0C7 (talk) 06:31, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Similar but confusing user name

I think I want to set this confusion straightened out here. This, I'm guessing seems to be a different person instead of you. The Milky Way page seems to have both the similar names in today's edits made, which is how I've noticed them. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 16:34, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for checking in Iggy the Swan, yes, a different person although I had previously linked the name to my user page as a common misspelling. He's copied my talk page which I reverted about a dozen times but there it is. Sort of hounds my edits, which is why similar page edits show up. I'll take it in good faith, although he often likes to stretch the bounds of good faith. If he starts following your edits expect user:Iggy the Eagle or something (kidding) (or not). Randy Kryn (talk) 16:39, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It happens to many other users as well, no surprises to be honest. Similar user names to me include: [1] and [2] who are different to me. I did wonder when the misspelled account similar to yours was created and noticed an active user page then, your reply in the first sentence says it all. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 16:46, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I like Iggy the Marine Iguana. Ha. Yes, I know about others copying user names, some quite successfully. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:52, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The good thing is that I see the impersonator has been globally locked so no more comments are needed regarding this issue. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 18:35, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. No comment. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:27, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

AFD discussions

You requested at the Redinger AFD please let me know which ones are close enough to comment on -- here's the discussions by the current !vote count (excluding the nom):

BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:14, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks BeanieFan11. Probably means I have to come by sometime this weekend. I don't know why there are not limits on nominations, maybe three or four open noms at once and then wait until they clear. I see "redirects" in there - to me a redirect is a deletion. RfD is the saddest place on Wikipedia, I try to keep my distance from it but sometimes have to put on a WikiGas mask and come on in. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:56, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There really should be a limit on afd nominations – you're limit makes sense. Unfortunately, the nom said on his talk that "I do not plan on nominating less for AFD in the future if there's no policy against it" – ridiculous! And then he sees no way that nominating loads of articles on historical topics creates any sort of extra work for anyone. I question whether that user is here to build an encyclopedia. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:01, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
More like unbuild an encyclopedia. Maybe the NFL group can place a limit on AfD noms for WikiProject topics, that might fly. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:03, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe, but I'm sure a hoard of deletionists would then fly in and go "well, you guys created lots of articles quickly – STUBS – so we are allowed to quickly delete them!" – and since this website has turned completely in their favor since the recent BS discussion on sports notability, I'm sure the closing admin would side with them. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:23, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'd ask you all to look at User_talk:Randy_Kryn#Wikipedia_alternatives which is only some sections away. Speaking as a longtime observer the dominance of deletionism had been noticeable in other fields as well and it might be a matter of time before Wikipedia's status as a premier source of information gets challenged.
DYK that WMF (Wikimedia Foundation - the non-profit that actually controls Wikipedia) had shown a very tepid response to the state-sponsored disruption of articles and the jailing of two of its editors? While to be fair they eventually banned the state actors from Wikipedia, so far they had not bothered to start a large campaign to free the editors yet, unlike the response to the detention of Mark Bernstein.
The free knowledge movement aren't supposed to be constrained to just one platform. It's better to start thinking about contributing in multiple encyclopedic platforms. 198.41.34.67 (talk) 22:49, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, and I had forgotten about the earlier message in a mix of other things, and reading it and your post I must say I'm not involved in political edits or discussions on Wikipedia or in working on WMF international politics. I'm just a Wikipedia editor, don't edit the sister projects except for an occasional image deletion attempt at Commons. and have never thought of or plan on expanding to other encyclopedic platforms. Although I'm not familiar with their histories or purposes, and haven't ever looked at the other encyclopedia, fighting the good fight on other platforms sounds like a noble idea but it doesn't feel right for me. I'm content with adding things like Category:Dogs in art on the Chicago Picasso page, my latest edit before this note, which made me smile. Thanks for thinking of me though. The editor who left the note that you linked to above has been banned, and they and yourself don't have any other edits except to contact me (I assumed their note was left on many talk pages, another reason I didn't answer it quicker) and am wondering why. But as I said, I'm fine staying on Wikipedia, and have no intent to edit outside of it. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:28, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Randy Kryn, if you're interested in following American football related deletion discussions, I encourage you to watchlist Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/American football. It's how I keep up on what articles are on the chopping block. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:28, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes Hey man im josh, I saw your talk page note at the NFL WikiProject. Thanks, a good idea to read it once in a while to keep up with the many recent deletion attempts, so will watchpage it. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:31, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring

Hey, I notice that you've been edit warring at Constitution of the United States, repeatedly [3] [4] removing maintenance tags without first reaching consensus on the talk page. Please see Template:POV section § When to remove and stop this disruptive behavior.      — Freoh 14:17, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it on the talk page, my removals are entirely justified. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:47, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Article talk pages are supposed to stay focused on content, and my concerns here are about your disruptive conduct. Even if your changes were entirely justified, that is not a valid defense for edit warring.      — Freoh 17:39, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your persistence, but please keep the topics to the article talk page. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:02, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Don't bludgeon the process

Hey, I notice that you've been repeatedly posting the same copy-and-pasted comments [5] [6] [7] [8] at Talk:Constitution of the United States. Could you please stop? I find this behavior disruptive.      — Freoh 17:46, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep it to the page talk page, thanks, where context exists for those edits. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:03, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Founders' homes: a find

Here's a find: Boxwood Hall in Elizabeth, New Jersey. Jonathan Dayton, then Speaker of the House, lived here from 1795-1824. He bought the mansion (a modest one) from another congressman and while living here got tangled up in the Burr Conspiracy. Now, for a surprise of sorts. Alexander Hamilton also stayed here as a teenager in the early 1770s while attending Elizabethtown Academy. I updated the article's lead to include those nuggets and added the Founding Fathers Homes category. Fun stuff. Allreet (talk) 15:31, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Allreet, that's an excellent addition! I should have alerting you and others to the category sooner, a much better category now (if it survives that is, a weird relisting). Randy Kryn (talk) 15:36, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And two more, both of which now have the category added:
I also found some homes that don't have WP articles but should. So if I find the time. My interest in this subject began with the George Taylor House which I transformed from a stub and did the same with George's bio as well.
BTW, I can't imagine the category would be deleted, though the editor in question is a persistent one. However, should that happen, there'd be one great list page to create — which can be done anyway though of course that can wait until all the votes are in. Allreet (talk) 16:27, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
More nice finds Allreet, thanks, I really missed many good ones. My favorite personally visited ffounder home is Peacefield, Adams' place, which should imo be as well-known and honored as Washington's Mount Vernon, and Jefferson's and Madison's homes. It probably misses out because it was never on a long-lasting coin. I'd put George Mason's place on that level as well, but surely Peacefield deserves more attention and historic acclaim. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:53, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No you didn't...miss many good ones. I was impressed with your thoroughness. The list now stands at exactly 100, and I found what? A half dozen at most. Meanwhile, I'm in the process of replying to one of the editors. The idea that this violates WP:AssociatedWith is preposterous. That means they don't understand both the subject and the guideline. These homes are about as rare as hounds teeth. We've found most of them, and just the fact that they all qualified for their own WP articles speaks volumes as to their notability. Not to be too unkind, but this is what happens in a world where anyone can be an editor. Me? I'm all for dictatorships. :) Allreet (talk) 17:44, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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