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== Fox news should not be described as a news channel == |
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As the Dominion Voting System's defamation suit against Fox has laid bare Fox doesn't report the news in good faith. It disseminates right wing propaganda, conspiracy theories, and lies. They should not be classified as a news organization [[Special:Contributions/24.187.50.239|24.187.50.239]] ([[User talk:24.187.50.239|talk]]) 00:08, 4 March 2023 (UTC) |
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Conservative in the title
I noticed that while Fox News is described as a Conservative media organization. That is true, and would not have caught my attention if it weren't for a single other liberal organization being described similarly, even Vox or Politico.
In those cases, their liberal bias is mentioned inside the page, or at the end of the first paragraph, where I believe it should belong for Fox as well. It is obviously a bias to push one company as "Conservative" or "Right-wing" on its face, yet not do the same for others, even when they are far-Left and promote misinformation. Mr manor11 (talk) 02:13, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- @Mr manor11: Vox and Politico are not "far left" and do not promote misinformation. ––FormalDude talk 02:43, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Vox and Politico are definitely on the "far left" of the political spectrum and certainly promote misinformation at times, but that isn't the issue. The issue is whether or not it is appropriate to describe Fox News as Conservative in the first sentence of the article. Overall, it probably is because that is how Fox generally advertises, particularly during prime-time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CessnaMan1989 (talk • contribs) 00:50, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
- It may be wise to look through the archives for past discussions on this topic. Zaathras (talk) 02:58, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- The lede of Vox says the news outlet is described as left-of-center and progressive. As for Politico, its owner Axel Springer SE supports a free market economy and the European Union, both of which are economic liberal positions and antithetical to the far-left. Politico also supports Israel, which is a position that both liberals and conservatives hold. When you say liberal, I assume you're talking about social liberalism. In that case, it's a bit more complicated than that. X-Editor (talk) 19:27, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Firstly, yes they do, especially race hatred lies. But besides that, I never even claimed they were in my talk post. I said left wing misinfo sites never get called out for it on the wiki pages, yet moderate right sources like fox news get "Conservative" pushed into sentence 1. It's a clear bias, to attempt to make the leanings of center-right and right wing sources seemingly more pronounced, while Marginalizing the bias of leftists, even when extreme. Mr manor11 (talk) 03:33, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
Additionally, I did not see anything relating to this question in the linked discussion post. Mr manor11 (talk) 03:34, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- The Wikipedia deals in facts, not feelings. Facts that are supported by citations to reliable sources. Fox News is not "moderate right", it is far-right, as supported by sources. The few far-left-leaning news sources out there do get characterized as such, for example Occupy Democrats and Mother Jones. What you personally view as "left" actually isn't, and your opinion will not make its way into a Wikipedia article. Zaathras (talk) 03:40, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
You are calling a Neoliberal Network "Far Right"
This is one big opinion piece written by liberals. Mr manor11 (talk) 05:17, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Where does this article call Fox far-right? X-Editor (talk) 19:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
There is no "source" you claim the words of rival networks are "Objective" when I can just as easily label CNN "Far-Left" Using Fox News as a source, it's equally as credible as the reverse.
Also, your "Left" Sources didn't even hold up either, Mother Jones does not say it's a socialist news source in the intro, it says it further down, just like I think it should be for all of them.
I want it fair, we treat all the networks equally, and not force partisanship into the titles, no matter who it is. It's a shame you don't seem to like that. Mr manor11 (talk) 05:25, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Please read WP:AGF and WP:NPA. O3000, Ret. (talk) 12:49, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- Mother Jones magazine is not socialist, nor does it say any such thing in the article. As it has been pointed out over the years (again, read up on the archives), Fox News is an outlier in mainstream media in that it has a conservative leaning, thus we label it. Similar to the lede of Barack Obama taking note that he is the first African-American president, and George Washington doesn't go to pains to say he was the first Caucasian president. Zaathras (talk) 22:44, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
- The Mother Jones article says it is progressive in the first sentence. X-Editor (talk) 19:31, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia should drop the “conservative” or “far right” label. First of all it is 100% subjective, what may be far right to someone may not be to someone else. There is no objective measurement that assesses where a news organization measures on the political spectrum. Not to mention it does not mention CNN or MSNBC as left leaning (which they certainly are). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.233.172.169 (talk • contribs)
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didn't fox start in 1986? or 1996 as your page says? 75.161.43.146 (talk) 05:34, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Not done: Though Murdoch completed his purchase of part of the Fox entertainment mega-corporation in 1986, the Fox News channel wasn't started until 1996. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 05:43, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
Discussion to deprecate Fox News. See RS/N
See: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Fox News Knew It Was A Lie: Fox News Purposely Pushed Deception On 2020 Voting -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 04:17, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Sources for Dominion vs Fox News scandal
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- Excellent work. I hope to see these references utilized in the article immediately—Fox News has proven itself duplicit, and this time they can't deny it.
- Moderators should probably be prepared to lock down this page. I'm sure some of the Fox News fans will be doing their best to undo legitimate edits referring to this scandal. 98.251.192.45 (talk) 10:42, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Up to 83 sources now. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 19:04, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Fox as entertainment
Fox News is listed by the TV Guide - a property, coincidentally, owned by Rupert Murdoch - as an “entertainment” channel. In 2007, Roger Ailes said that Fox News’ direct competitors were entertainment channels, citing TBS and USA as examples. In Canada, Fox must label its broadcast “for entertainment purposes”. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgardn14 (talk • contribs)
- What change are you proposing to the article. ValarianB (talk) 16:06, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
Fox news should not be described as a news channel
As the Dominion Voting System's defamation suit against Fox has laid bare Fox doesn't report the news in good faith. It disseminates right wing propaganda, conspiracy theories, and lies. They should not be classified as a news organization 24.187.50.239 (talk) 00:08, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
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