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Reign of Marcus

Reign of Marcus → Marcus (name)#Government and military (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This redirect doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me. ★Trekker (talk) 10:30, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment at the minimum it should be re-targeted to Marcus (name)#Government since apparently the section was renamed. The most plausible retarget to me is Reign of Marcus Aurelius since Aurelius is probably the most likely person people are searching for and as far as I can find, the only article that contains "Reign of Marcus" but there are sufficient emperors and similar in the government section who would have "reigns" staying as a redirect to the disambiguation also makes sense to me. Skynxnex (talk) 14:49, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:45, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023–24 A.C. Monza season

2023–24 A.C. Monza season → A.C. Monza (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Red link to encourage page creation. The redirect was created back in March, way too prematurely. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 22:55, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template feature

Template feature → MediaWiki#Templates (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Highly ambiguous. Mediawiki is not the only thing in existence to use templates or to have a "templating feature". 192.76.8.70 (talk) 20:56, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as vague --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:39, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 04:45, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Camilla, Princess Consort

Camilla, Princess Consort → Queen Camilla (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete - While it was announced that Camilla would be princess consort seventeen years ago, that obviously is not the case now. This is an implausible (incorrect) and unlikely search term. Estar8806 (talk) 18:14, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Princess consort#United Kingdom ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Since it was never used, it is, in my view, more appropriate to link it to information about the title rather than the intended holder. It's also most likely that someone using the term would be searching for information about the "Princess consort" title as anyone familiar with the topic would search her well-known styles: "Queen Camilla", "Camilla Queen Consort" or her birth/married names. Jèrriais janne (talk) 00:18, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I second this retargeting. Makes sense to direct to where there is specific discussion of this title/styling, rather to someone who never actually used it. SecretName101 (talk) 03:13, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – "Princess Consort" it has been at least five years since Queen Elizabeth II announced she wanted Camilla to be Queen. Unlikely many are searching for Camilla this way Ha2772a (talk) 19:04, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: redirects are cheap, and this is how she was expected to be known from 2005 until Elizabeth II announced her desire for Camilla to be known as Queen Consort in May 2022 (yes, 12 months ago, not five years). Rosbif73 (talk) 19:23, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The title wasn't adopted & there's been questions over whether it could've been adopted. GoodDay (talk) 19:25, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: has no major purpose, and hasn't been given one for a while, and it's entirely redundant now that she is the Queen Consort. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 19:51, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: not harmful, the title was mooted if never actually adopted. Keep the same target, it has discussion of the title. Could add the relevant section. Lithopsian (talk) 19:55, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This one's harmless. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 20:51, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The title was never actually used.98.228.137.44 (talk) 22:34, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
{{R from incorrect name}}, {{R from former name}}, some combo of those... It's certainly a valid redirect. Retarget to Princess consort#United Kingdom as a narrow first choice over keeping as is. J947 † ^edits 05:48, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll get behind a refine to Queen Camilla#Titles, styles, honours and arms. J947 † ^edits 02:49, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: as per reasons by Zippybonzo and others IlkkaP (talk) 07:47, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Refine to Queen_Camilla#Titles, styles, honours and arms, which discusses the planned usage of the "princess consort" title. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 22:20, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the nominator mentioned, this is the suggested title to be used. It would be ahistoric to think that it never was that term to be used. Thus it is a valid search term and a valid piece of history. Wikipedia is not just a newspaper, it also documents the past. The current form of address does not erase history. -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 07:47, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
By deleting the redirect we are not erasing history, we are merely erasing future that could have been. We don't have Queen Diana as a redirect either, although she could have been Queen had they not divorced. IlkkaP (talk) 17:06, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, by deleting it is a way to remove the history of the term, which was put forward by Camilla and others at the time she married, and carried forward in the popular press and popular culture. It is therefore a valid search term and represents an official position of her proposed title at a period of time. It is a significant point in the history of this person, that she was regarded as to not be the next queen, but to hold the title of princess instead. We have similar redirects from proposed film titles for films that have articles. This person the wife of a king, as a consort was to have held this title, and now holds a different one, so would be a similar situation. Unlike Diana, who died before ever reaching queen. This person, Camilla, did not die before achieving the position of consort to the king, so is different from the Diana position, who never became consort to the king. -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 01:21, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Definitely don't delete. It's a plausible search term and we have directly relevant information. I'm ambivalent as to whether Queen Camilla#Titles, styles, honours and arms or Princess consort#United Kingdom is a better target. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 17:41, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The fact that this redirect has barely been used, with 45 views in the 12 months prior to this nomination, makes it an unlikely search term. --Super Goku V (talk) 03:18, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not sure how that's an argument for deletion? Sure, it only helps that many people, but that still significantly outweighs the amount of harm the redirect causes. J947 † ^edits 04:39, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  My understanding was that if a redirect is barely in use, then it is okay to delete it. However, if you are saying that 45 views in the 12 months prior to nomination is enough to keep, then I will apologize for my mistake. --Super Goku V (talk) 00:24, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  It's your opinion as to whether that is helpful enough. Probably about average pageviews for a redirect, for the record. J947 † ^edits 00:26, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed,Rosguill ^talk 00:40, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Refine to Queen_Camilla#Titles, styles, honours and arms, which directly explains the context of this title being considered and ultimately not used. I think it's better than the Princess consort article since it is possible that that one could change in the future and have less-relevant content for the reader. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 00:14, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Refine per Rosguill. Do the same to the Princess Consort Camilla redirect. Jay 💬 17:10, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 19:58, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - unused term. Neils51 (talk) 22:37, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Russian bond

Russian bond → Repudiation of debt at the Russian Revolution (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Russian bond(s) just refers to bonds backed by the Russian government, whether pre-Revolution or post-USSR. They're briefly mentioned at Economy of Russia, but not to a degree likely to satisfy a reader searching for this term. I'm thus leaning towards deletion to allow for internal search results and as WP:REDYES over redirection to that page _signed,Rosguill ^talk 18:33, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:EGG Dronebogus (talk) 17:18, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 17:33, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Set index with entries of GKO and OFZ (bond). GKO also has a section on the 1998 Russian financial crisis which also has information on the bonds, and is the target of the redirect Russian bond default. Jay 💬 20:12, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on set indexifying?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:46, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 12:18, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Set indexing sounds good to me. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 16:32, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as too vague to be of any use without a good discussion of the general topic. I'm actually partial to the definition of "James Bond stories set in Russia". -- Tavix ^(talk) 00:47, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more time due to still being somewhat split in consensus...
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 19:55, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Set index of the different Russian government bonds as suggested above. Maybe that can eventually be expanded into a broad-concept article. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 05:24, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I-55 Raceway

I-55 Raceway → Superstar Racing Experience (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Nominated to be deleted. This raceway links to a series that hosted an event there. It should be a red link, as a page should be created. Linking to a series that visited the track does not make sense. Glman99 (talk) 18:23, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Restore and send to AfD Looks like this used to be an article but was BLARed a few months ago by Onel5969. Typically, when these are challenged, they get sent to AfD. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:13, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Good point! Thank you for the input, this makes sense. Glman99 (talk) 20:20, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Windows 1.0 BYTE demo

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was Speedy Delete, G5. by User:Bbb23 --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:41, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Windows 1.0 BYTE demo → Windows 1.0x (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Nominated for PROD by a user with the rationale "The original article had multiple issues with references and notability, also it only lasted for a mere 5 days, therefore the purpose of this redirect is rather questionable". Procedurally converting to RfD, as PROD states that redirects cannot be deleted via PROD. TartarTorte 17:53, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nom. Not useful and not notable. Anyone remotely interested in this obscure demo would first go to the main Windows 1.0 article anyway. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 18:27, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

Vagonetto Decauville

Vagonetto Decauville → Decauville wagon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Recently-created Italian-language redirect to an article about a French minecart, possibly created in error through the use of the content translation tool. Speedy deleted previously (moved to draft and then speedied actually due to a misunderstanding) as a creation error. Tollens (talk) 17:12, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

May be useful as a redirect. Peter Horn User talk 16:46, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dispersal order

Dispersal order → Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014#Dispersal powers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This term has multiple meanings unrelated to the 2014 UK legislation that's the current target. Most commonly, it can refer to any order for people to disperse, usually given by police (as in George Floyd protests in New York City#Department of Investigation report, United States Park Police#Notable events or 1967 Century City demonstration#March and violence, for example, just to name a few uses in the encyclopaedia). As a defined term in UK legislation, it also seems to predate the 2014 law: see this 2007 summary of the Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003. As such, I think this is a surprising and unhelpful redirect from a broad term to a much narrower use. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 15:22, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So long as it includes the original target, feel free to make it a disambiguation page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:30, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Geographic influence of dietary trends on epidemiology of Hashimoto's thyroiditis disorder in US

Geographic influence of dietary trends on epidemiology of Hashimoto's thyroiditis disorder in US → Hashimoto's thyroiditis#Geographic influence of dietary trends (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No info about the US is given, making this lengthy redirect even more pointless Fram (talk) 14:37, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is another example of Fram nominating things for deletion due to Fram's deficit of WP:COMPETENCE. Much of the present information in our article is on USA populations. If Fram doesn't understand the sources then nomination for deletion is hardly the right place to remedy that. Fram has nominated a large number of these in 2 days and so it is difficult to respond. Invasive Spices (talk) 22:32, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Implausible search term and the target section does not mention the US. Far too long to be a plausible search term: no one is going to be making searches of the form "Influence of A on B of C in D". 192.76.8.93 (talk) 23:21, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Two separate Asian giant hornet introductions in North America

Two separate Asian giant hornet introductions in North America → Asian giant hornet#North America (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unlikely search term Fram (talk) 14:30, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Subject of heavy international media feeding frenzy. This is weak nonsense even by your standards. Invasive Spices (talk) 22:34, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Let me ask you a question, please: what makes a good redirect? J947 † ^edits 22:38, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep per WP:CHEAP. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 05:25, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Implausible search term, weird construction. 192.76.8.93 (talk) 23:22, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Negotiating free trade agreements between the US and other nations involves screen quotas

Negotiating free trade agreements between the US and other nations involves screen quotas → Americanization#Media and popular culture (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Complete random sentences from an article rarely make useful redirects Fram (talk) 14:28, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Highly relevant intersection of geopolitics and finance however there is objection to sentences. (I have yet to hear an explanation of this dislike of sentences and this has not been expressed as the opinion of Wikipedia.) Perhaps Move to Negotiation of US free trade agreements and screen quotas? Invasive Spices (talk) 22:43, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish passing as indigenous American

Jewish passing as indigenous American → Passing (racial identity) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The article Passing (racial identity) has countless examples of X passing as Y. For some reason "Jewish" is singled out for a redirect. Fram (talk) 14:27, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See also Eastern-European Jewish passing as indigenous American, created by same editor. Fram (talk) 14:38, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The only thing that seems to be remotely related to this at the target article is this Jay Marks, a man of Eastern-European Jewish ancestry, adopted the pen name of Jamake Highwater about 1969, claiming to be Cherokee-Blackfeet, and published numerous books under that name. He won awards and NEA grants., but this is a very specific example that the article doesn't talk about in depth. This also is an arguably expensive redirect as it assume that this one small paragraph in a very long article will always remain there. TartarTorte 20:00, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This doesn't qualify for its own article hence redirect. How is this different from other redirects? Invasive Spices (talk) 22:49, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

singled out for a redirect Do you really want us to believe this is the first time you've encountered {{R from subtopic}}, Fram? Invasive Spices (talk) 22:46, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keren Everett's continuing missionary work

Keren Everett's continuing missionary work → Keren Everett (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Summary of a sentence in an article, unlikely search term Fram (talk) 14:25, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Common type of redirect. This large volume of nominations is a waste of time. Invasive Spices (talk) 22:51, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keren Everett studying Amazon languages

Keren Everett studying Amazon languages → Keren Everett (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Another one of the "Person" "Job" type of unlikely redirects Fram (talk) 14:25, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Very specific phrase and arguably incorrectly phrased. If this were to be used it would like be Amazonian languages, but also Everett, at least according to her wikipedia page, has only studied extensively one Amazonian language which is Pirahã. TartarTorte 04:23, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So it's correct but vague? How is this different from other redirects? Invasive Spices (talk) 22:54, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Roberta Marinelli examines seafloor biota

Roberta Marinelli examines seafloor biota → Roberta Marinelli#Research (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"Name" + "job description". A recipe for a few million redirects, if someone wants to boost their edit count. "Joe Biden rules the USA", "Novak Djokovic plays tennis", ... Fram (talk) 14:15, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Common redirect. Edit count is not a reason to nominate. This nomination is a costly waste of time. Invasive Spices (talk) 22:56, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Community Cyberinfrastructure for Advanced Microbial Ecology Research and Analysis amassing bioinformatics data

Community Cyberinfrastructure for Advanced Microbial Ecology Research and Analysis amassing bioinformatics data → Community Cyberinfrastructure for Advanced Microbial Ecology Research and Analysis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Who is ever going to use this as a search term? Fram (talk) 14:13, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:SEARCH no longer requires exact match and search engines make use of this. AI search makes extensive use of this. Invasive Spices (talk) 22:59, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More research is required in social immunity

More research is required in social immunity → Social immunity#Inhibiting parasite uptake into the nest (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unlikely search term, not all sentences in articles should be turned into redirects. Fram (talk) 14:12, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Objection to sentence format can be resolved by Move to Need for more research in social immunity. Sentence objection requires community discussion not piecemeal here. Invasive Spices (talk) 23:01, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Class A felony

Class A felony → United States federal probation and supervised release#Classes of offenses (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Class B felony → United States federal probation and supervised release#Classes of offenses (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Class C felony → United States federal probation and supervised release#Classes of offenses (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Class D felony → United States federal probation and supervised release#Classes of offenses (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Class E felony → United States federal probation and supervised release#Classes of offenses (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These terms are each used in several legal systems, not just the U.S. federal system. As Felony#Classification by seriousness shows, alphabetical categories are also used for felonies in several U.S. states (e.g. New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Tennessee...). That section isn't a suitable target either, though, as it has the opposite problem, describing states' classification systems but not the federal system. I don't think there's scope for a disambiguation page as our coverage of how these things work at the state level is minimal or nonexistent. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 14:05, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Felony#Classification by seriousness I disagree that this would be an unsuitable target. Information on federal classifications can always be added or a hatnote could be used. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:27, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Felony#Classification by seriousness per Presidentman. --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:52, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnologue 27th edition

Ethnologue 27th edition → Ethnologue (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete, there is no 27th edition (yet), and not really useful as a search term Fram (talk) 12:03, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I agree with everything Fram says. A pointless redirect to an article which doesn't cover the topic in question. JBW (talk) 16:46, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Does not exist yet. That is the reason it is a useful search term. Is the upcoming publication of this research/publishing group. Invasive Spices (talk) 23:05, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- By that logic, Ethnologue 27th edition is useful but Ethnologue 26th edition is not? -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:16, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

All metal

All metal → Heavy metal music (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

nonexistent term. doesnt have any purpose other than to confuse. initial page was created by a troll account: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=All_metal&oldid=344235146 -- FMSky (talk) 11:12, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Target not synonymous with the redirect, nor is the redirect representative of all metal. Steel1943 (talk) 19:52, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom's findings --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:43, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this is usually related to manufacturing (ie. "all metal construction"). -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 04:47, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:INCOMPETENT

Wikipedia:INCOMPETENT → WP:COMPETENCE (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This shortcut can be used as a personal attack - even unintentionally. See also wikt:incompetent. This should be deleted. - jc37 09:39, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deprecate and retain. I agree that this should not be linked in the shortcut box WP:CIR. Even if it is removed there, the shortcut itself has been used in a large number of discussions and therefore should likely be retained for historical reference as a soft redirect along the lines of WP:DIVA. Dekimasuよ! 13:57, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Speaking of incompetence, the logs show that Jc37 moved the page without consensus and only afterward discussed the move on the talk page; the comments on the talk page universally opposed the move. It seems there are a few editors with hurt feelings and perhaps they've self-selected to leave this project. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:18, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Deprecate per Dekimasu. The essay is certainly necessary, but we mustn't be plain mean about it by using this particular shortcut. J947 † ^edits 04:17, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Deprecate and retain per Dekimasu: I agree that this could be used as a personal attack but we need to keep it because of its use in historical discussions. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 06:48, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Deprecate per Dekimasu: The consensus here is pretty clear, but nevertheless I wanted to chime in. Linking to this shortcut is possibly the worst way of responding to an editor with competence issues, and is ironic given that the essay explicitly advises against labelling people as incompetent. It isn't going to magically make the editor improve their skills.

I checked all uses of that shortcut, and I can conclude that:

In 17 instances (31%), it was a clear personal attack [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17];
In 27 instances (49%), the comments weren't as clear cut, but were still unhelpful or ill-considered. Some were made in response to baiting [18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31][32][33][34][35][36][37][38][39][40][41][42][43][44];
In only 11 instances (20%), it was wholly unproblematic. Most comments were self-deprecation, and only one was actually criticizing the shortcut. [45][46][47][48][49][50][51][52][53][54][55]

So it's an obvious net negative. Don't get me wrong, of course I think that competence is needed to edit, and I actually agree with most of the essay. Well-meaning but disruptive editors can be a serious problem, but this shortcut is not the solution. Deprecation (like what was done to WP:DIVA) sends a strong message to people wanting to misuse it. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 00:13, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: If 80% of the uses of it are potentially negative, it seems that the benefit by keeping it for reading old discussions where it's linked to is negated by the potential continued usage of it. As noted above that WP:CIRNOT says not to call people incompetent, which is what this redirect is doing. It also seems that generally within the context of the use of the redirect in discussions that the meaning of it would not be completely foreign to someone browsing through those, but that's a judgment call on my part and I can see why others disagree and would prefer deprecation. TartarTorte 19:02, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gun politics in Indonesia

Gun politics in Indonesia → Overview of gun laws by nation#Indonesia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Gun politics in Israel → Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Israel (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Gun politics in israel → Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Israel (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"Gun politics" is a US-centric term. The target sections only cover gun control laws, and makes no mention of gun ownership being a political issue in Indonesia or Israel. Delete as misleading/unhelpful redirects. Paul_012 (talk) 08:50, 13 June 2023 (UTC), 08:58, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: There are loads of Gun politics in Foo redirects that point various ways. They should also be examined, but I'm not doing that right now. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:01, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Not seeing a good reason to delete. Nominator asserts that "Gun politics" is a US-centric term. That sounds more like an ENGVAR issue than anything else, so K3 would likely apply here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:30, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not a WP:ENGVAR issue. The word "politics" means the same thing in all Anglophone countries, and the target sections don't discuss politics at all (e.g. public debates, proposals by legislators for changes to existing laws, etc.). 59.149.117.119 (talk) 21:31, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Are laws not political? See, e.g. Category:Gun politics, which appears to be the overarching category here. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:17, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Zsuzsanna Budapest immigrates to the United States of America

Zsuzsanna Budapest immigrates to the United States of America → Zsuzsanna Budapest (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Random sentence which makes for a very unlikely search term (and in present tense, no idea why). Creator has a penchant for such rather lengthy and unlikely redirect creations (e.g. Epidemiology of Familial Mediterranean fever in the United States of America which links to a section which doesn't mention the US, and where e.g. the first source is about the EU and the other three are general; or Survey sociolinguistics at the University of Delhi, or Perform survey at Taim Ecological Station). Perhaps some tailored topic ban should be considered, but this discussion is solely about this one redirect of course. Fram (talk) 08:19, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, and indeed this seems like an issue for ANI. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:59, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I just got finished deleting some redirects by this editor that Fram tagged that were so awkward, it started to remind me of Neelix. This is surprising as this isn't a new editor...but then, neither was Neelix. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 14:32, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Another admin deleted Film director responsibility for rehearsal in USA industry and Madeleine Albright surprised by her parents' Jewish ancestry. Just odd phrases that no reader will ever type into the search field. But maybe this is a discussion for ANI. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 14:37, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Search hasn't Wikipedia:Article name search worked so restrictively in years, search engines use these and AI search makes extensive use of them. However there are objections to sentence redirects so I understand I can't prevail. I merely think it's a strange opinion. I hope this can be discussed in whatever (WP:REDIRECT perhaps) place would be appropriate.

I haven't heard of Neelix. I agree with Neelix that puerile does not justify deletion and that we need a wider ontology than some prefer. However Neelix's redirects were almost entirely truly nonexistent things. Mine are – no exception – all

real occurrences

mentioned in the target

with WP:RS.

They are mostly not {{R with possibilities}} but these all pass WP:V. — Invasive Spices (talk) 21:39, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fram has opened wide criticism of me personally and several unrelated articles so this discussion is solely about this one redirect of course isn't true. Because Fram has opened this: Epidemiology of Familial Mediterranean fever in the United States of America is another case of an ongoing problem with Fram. In a prior Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 22#Epidemiology of IKBKAP in the United States Fram did the same thing. Because I explained what epidemiology is and pointed to WP:CIR Fram has even fewer excuses for doing this again. A competent reading of sources shows most studies are from a different country but some studies were drawn from the USA. (Epidemiology of IKBKAP in the United States was mostly USA subjects.) That is sufficient to justify Epidemiology of Familial Mediterranean fever in the United States of America. — Invasive Spices (talk) 21:21, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Abdul

Paul Abdul → Paula Abdul (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I understand where this redirect is coming from but Paul is pretty different than Paula. If there's any level of Keep I'll withdraw this nomination just ping me. Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 06:26, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I added the redirect as I heard her name on the radio once and mentally put the two A's together. UltrasonicMadness (talk) 08:18, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Besides this being a misspelling for the target, third party search engines also return results for another musician named "Paul Abdul", as well as some character in the Indiana Jones universe. Probably best to delete this. Steel1943 (talk) 16:51, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete because multiple other people have this name and this is not a common name for the target. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 06:40, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The first thing I would think after seeing this redirect is that it's a deadname rather than a typo, and that would definitely give the wrong impression. HotdogPi 17:53, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Drovers (Fictonal Farm)

Drovers (Fictonal Farm) → Drovers Run (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This page used to be an article about Drovers Run at the time it was created, after which it was redirected to the current target by Daniel99091. I'm not sure we should still have this lying around either, since it doesn't seem to get very many pageviews nowadays since the move compared to the target and the correctly spelled Drovers (fictional farm). Regards, SONIC⁶⁷⁸ 01:43, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Histmerge. Sonic678, if you look at the page histories you'll see that what happened was that Daniel99091 made a cut & paste move, which broke the attribution of the content's creation. The original page must not be deleted, and the issue needs to be fixed by a WP:history merge. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:14, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support merging history as nom to fix this matter. @Paul 012: Thanks for pointing it out-I didn't really consider that option when I nominated the redirect. Regards, SONIC⁶⁷⁸ 17:17, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Histmerge is now Done, the relevant revisions prior to the cut-and-paste move have been merged into the history of Drovers Run. DanCherek (talk) 23:25, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks. I have no opinion regarding the remaining redirect. It is now effectively an r from move, which generally should be retained, but it's old and miscapitalised, so there's really no harm in deleting, now that the discussion is open. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:19, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stuart McCormick (fictonal character)

Stuart McCormick (fictonal character) → List of South Park characters#Carol McCormick (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I'm not sure if this is a plausible misspelling in the disambiguator, especially since the correctly spelled counterpart (which I created almost a week earlier) now exists. Also, this redirect doesn't seem to be getting very many pageviews nowadays, so I'm not sure why we should still keep this lying around. Regards, SONIC⁶⁷⁸ 00:30, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:05, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Neils51 (talk) 12:40, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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+*'''Delete''' Implausible search term, weird construction. [[Special:Contributions/192.76.8.93|192.76.8.93]] ([[User talk:192.76.8.93|talk]]) 23:22, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
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