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:::I agree. There were over 2000 Kmarts, and virtually all of them have closed. Whatever trivial amount of remaining stores there are, represent maybe .01% of their peak. Put differently, about 99.99% of them have closed. We don't need or care what happened to over 2000 buildings that USED TO house Kmarts. Virtually any store (of any brand) that closed, the building would be used for something else. Who cares? [[Special:Contributions/104.192.24.154|104.192.24.154]] ([[User talk:104.192.24.154|talk]]) 01:17, 13 June 2023 (UTC) |
:::I agree. There were over 2000 Kmarts, and virtually all of them have closed. Whatever trivial amount of remaining stores there are, represent maybe .01% of their peak. Put differently, about 99.99% of them have closed. We don't need or care what happened to over 2000 buildings that USED TO house Kmarts. Virtually any store (of any brand) that closed, the building would be used for something else. Who cares? [[Special:Contributions/104.192.24.154|104.192.24.154]] ([[User talk:104.192.24.154|talk]]) 01:17, 13 June 2023 (UTC) |
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Kmart website
So the Kmart website appears to me to have been finally updated, by removing the defunct stores. Their site [1] currently lists 20 locations (however 2 of those locations, Freedom/South Lake Tahoe CA) have already been sourced [2] as closing soon, in August 2021, and another location (Manhattan NY) has been sourced [3] [4] [5] [6] as having already closed this Week. Would the Kmart site, itself, now be considered an accurate source for store counts? 173.241.182.119 (talk) 19:59, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Also, this is original research on my part, and I won't use it in the article, but I Know that while the main part of the Manhattan (Astor place) store is closed, the pharmacy department is remaining open until July 17 to allow people to pick up their remaining drugs. It is very possible that the Kmart website will remove the Manhattan location from it, upon that closure on July 17. I will Check the website on July 18 to see if this is the case. Should that happen, then their site would reflect the correct 19 open stores. It is possible that we might have an accurate source of counts (via the Kmart website) at that point. Time will Tell.173.241.182.119 (talk) 00:47, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://www.kmart.com/stores.html
- ^ https://www.ktvu.com/news/soon-there-will-be-only-one-kmart-left-in-california
- ^ https://patch.com/new-york/west-village/lower-manhattanites-mourn-closure-iconic-astor-place-kmart
- ^ https://www.amny.com/news/the-last-kmart-closes-in-manhattan/
- ^ https://footwearnews.com/2021/business/retail/kmart-astor-place-closing-new-york-1203158921/
- ^ https://gothamist.com/news/kmart-unlikely-astor-place-icon-shutters-without-notice
Table
I have included a table of remaining Kmart stores based directly from the Kmart store locator and the information that is present on that. The Kmart store locator is sourced. If anyone has an issue of how the table is presented, please discuss on how we can compromise to properly present the table and include it in the article. Thank you.Brse2021 (talk) 19:30, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- It's a table of Kmarts. We don't need a column stating that each store is a Kmart. Removed Meters (talk) 19:42, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
So now someone else removed the table. Can I ask what the problem was with that table? It appears to be 100% sourced from Kmart's website, so I am not understanding the problem with it, since it contains no original research. 173.241.182.119 (talk) 23:14, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- You'll have to ask the editor who removed it if you don't understand or don't agree with his edit summary. The summary didn't mention either sourcing or OR as the reason. Meters (talk) 06:41, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I'm the aforementioned editor. (You coulda tagged me, my name's in the edit history). Anyway, while it's a good list, I pulled it as store listings clearly fall under WP:NOTDIR (as cited in the edit summary), specifically No.7 on that list, which cites "simple lists", including lists of store locations, as not falling within Wikipedia's scope. Pokemonprime (talk) 10:17, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- While I see that, I don't believe a table this small should be an issue. After all, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia... the table includes information on the subject of Kmart. This is not a table of all the Kmart store locations, just the ones remaining. That shouldn't obstruct Wikipedia's rules. Again, if we're going to bring up this issue of WP:NOTDIR, then every sentence in the article that mentions the closure of a Kmart store should be removed. Brse2021 (talk) 13:00, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- Brse2021, Wikipedia isn't an indiscriminate collection of information. WP:NOTDIR is directly on point - we're building an encyclopedia, not a store locator or a business directory. A table of addresses doesn't belong here. MrOllie (talk) 12:49, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- MrOllie, Okay, then all of the other information regarding specific store closures and their dates should be REMOVED. Brse2021 (talk) 12:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- Brse2021, I agree, that information should be condensed significantly. There's no reason to dwell on every store closure individually. MrOllie (talk) 20:19, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- I agree. Meters (talk) 20:35, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- Brse2021, I agree, that information should be condensed significantly. There's no reason to dwell on every store closure individually. MrOllie (talk) 20:19, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- MrOllie, Okay, then all of the other information regarding specific store closures and their dates should be REMOVED. Brse2021 (talk) 12:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- Brse2021, Wikipedia isn't an indiscriminate collection of information. WP:NOTDIR is directly on point - we're building an encyclopedia, not a store locator or a business directory. A table of addresses doesn't belong here. MrOllie (talk) 12:49, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Excellent point, BRSE2021. I see that you yourself added then removed the table again? What's up? Also, Pokemonprime, there are several wiki pages like Pudgies chicken (I LOVE THE NAME), that list the locations, because there are very few. Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pudgie%27s I don't see how it's hurting anyone to list 17 or so Kmart locations. It goes to illustrate how a once dominant retailer with 2000 + stores now has less than 1% of those remaining. That's not an insignificant fact. Also, many wikis for actors and actresses, list all the movies by that artist. Is that not, also, a simple list? 173.241.182.119 (talk) 21:07, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
- I reverted it and figured that I better hold off on doing that before somebody wants to jump all over me about it and try to revoke my editing privileges. Additionally, I figured I would wait on it and talk to other users, like Pokemonprime, to explain why I believe the table should be present. Since there has no response, we'll go ahead and keep the table as it is. Again, thank you for re-adding it for me. Glad to see it on here as I do agree - It is an important piece of information that really highlights the small fraction of the company that still remains. Brse2021 (talk) 02:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- Why are you posting that 10 hours after the table was removed again? This time by user:Levivich. Meters (talk) 05:03, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
This is frustrating. Everyone keeps removing the damn table. How's this then? Y'all don't want addresses? Fine! How about a table which (100% sourced) shows just how many are in each state (or territory), WITHOUT the freaking addresses and store #'s? Would that work? Just a table that shows 1 store in CA, 1 store in Michigan, etc.. Then it wouldn't be a store locator or business directory, BUT it would show the scope of the diminishing Kmart footprint. And it would be completely sourced with zero original research. Go ahead, find some complaint about that. I'm sure someone will. 173.241.182.119 (talk) 19:36, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- Why does it need to be broken down by state? The total number of stores makes the point without adding cruft to the article. - MrOllie (talk) 20:04, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Why? Because that illustrates how much the footprint of this one gigantic retailer has shrunk. A company that had over 2000 stores, and was (I think) in all 50 states, as well as several territories, is now only in 6 states (and 3 of those states have 1 store each). That is not an insignificant fact. The fact that there are some stores (like Hamilton Montana) that don't have another Kmart within probably 1000 miles. A map, and/or list (which many Wiki pages use, including, for example, sports league articles, which show where teams are located, see [1]) would demonstrate the sparseness of locations. 173.241.182.119 (talk) 20:26, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- If it is 'not an insignificant fact' do we have a reliable source that explicitly notes this? Why not simply cite it and summarize it as they do? - MrOllie (talk) 20:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
- I agree with MrOllie. I don't see a need a directory of the stores. The chain is virtually gone, and we don't need a memorial for each of the few remaining store, let alone information about how far apart they are. Meters (talk) 20:42, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
We don't need a memorial for each one (although that was the trend on this article for the last about 5 Years). As for information about how far they are, why the hell not? What does it Cost anyone? Why do Wikipedia pages on sports leagues have maps/tables of locations such as [2] or [3] ?
Why are there even lists/maps of defunct teams such as [4]? Can you imagine the uproar if I posted a list of defunct Kmart stores? I'd be tarred and feathered for posting shit that commonly occurs in places such as [5] and [6]! Again, why the double standard? Also, Ollie, what reliable source do you need to explicitly note? My point is, a chain that covered a country with 50 states, that is 3,000 miles wide, now occupies a tiny footprint maybe 1% of that size. I don't see the possible harm in just including a list, map, or mention, of how many are in each state. Even without mentioning the store addresses or numbers. Just X amount in Y state, A amount inn B state, etc.. What could possibly the harm be?
173.241.182.119 (talk) 08:39, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- I ask about reliable sourcing because we're not supposed to decide what is significant ourselves. Wikipedia exists to summarize what reliable sources say about a topic. If reliable sources tend to make this point, we should too. If they don't, we should leave it out. The harm would be in ignoring Wikipedia's policies, which takes us further away from being an encyclopedia, which is what we're all supposed to be building here. If they want to see maps of business locations, readers can turn to a site which is specifically for that, there are a few out there. MrOllie (talk) 11:15, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Again, then why do wikipedia pages of sports leagues (sourced above) regularly contain maps of where the teams are located? OK, forget sports. Why do Sizzlers [7], Pudgies [8](I still laugh at that name LOL) have either lists of states operated in, for the former, or actually list each location, in the case of the latter? Why does Hardee's page have this map [9]? Why does this page exist here [10]?
I mean, why doesn't the standard you mentioned apply to the about half dozen examples I sited above? 173.241.182.119 (talk) 19:26, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Someone wanna rebut my above argument, or was I correct?
173.241.182.119 (talk) 03:14, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Pages like Sizzler's and Roy Rogers simply talk about the states they once operated in, they don't go into detail about individual location closures like the Kmart article currently does, and none of them have tables of remaining locations. As for the sports teams lists, sports teams, whether or not they're now defunct, are notable in their own right, and so can have lists of them, and either way it's an apples to oranges comparison. I also want to remind you, just because someone doesn't respond to you, it does not mean you are automatically right. Pokemonprime (talk) 05:13, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
It actually DOES mean I'm right, and I am. Also, it's not really an apples to oranges comparison. Why can they include a map of sports leagues' locations, but not store locations? 173.241.182.119 (talk) 03:35, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Because sports has a large section of media devoted to it, including specialist publications and dedicated TV channels, so nearly every aspect of every sports team, current or historical, has been covered by several reliable sources. When my default cable package includes three channels with 24 hour coverage of Kmart you'll have a valid comparison. MrOllie (talk) 12:32, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
How many tv channels do you have dedicate to minor league sports, or obscure ones like roller hockey? [11]
How many channels do you have about Pudgie's chicken? From the [12] article, "As of November 2018 there are only three Pudgie's Famous Chicken restaurants open in East Islip, Selden and West Islip".
Is that ^ not a list of locations? 173.241.182.119 (talk) 04:00, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
There is a difference between three locations mentioned in a sentence and 17 locations put in a table, though I don't know, maybe Pudgie's needs their locations removed too. Pudgie's also has a big "this may not meet notability guidelines" tag at the top of the page. Major League Roller Hockey has an excessive detail notice, and several of the pages for individual teams have notices about needing more sources. So using other poorly sourced pages to defend your actions isn't going to help you. Please also see WP:OTHERSTUFF; that is, you can't use "well other wikipedia pages..." as a defense. Pokemonprime (talk) 10:22, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
I actually CAN use other Wikipedia pages as a "defense", not that I need a "defense", because I have not committed a crime. Olie just used his amount of TV channels carried by his cable company as an argument. I asked him how many channels he has dedicated to obscure sports such as roller hockey? If you're going to remove stuff like that list here, then why aren't you removing it from those other pages I cited, like Pudgie's? Why does Hardees have a map of locations here [13]?
Or what about Roy Rogers? Not a table but it mentions each state with a location here: [14]?
If I look hard enough, I could easily find 1000 examples like this. Kmart wouldn't even need a table. A simple statement (as in Roy Rogers), describing the scope of the footprint (in this case, CA, MI, MT, FL, NY, NJ, PR, USVI, Guam). 173.241.182.119 (talk) 01:40, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
I think a sentence or map like what we have in other articles would be fine to describe the range of the store. We don't need a list of locations or the # of locations in each state, but a sentence that "as of <time>, Kmart operates stores in CA, MI, MT, FL, NY, NJ, PR, USVI, and Guam." would be fine. Tables aren't often required and can be unwieldy. Pokemonprime (talk) 10:01, 18 August 2021 (UTC) OK, even without a "table",a map is fine? Good. I don't Know how to make one on here, but I can add that sentence for now, to at least describe the current footprint of this company. 173.241.182.119 (talk) 20:42, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
References
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Soccer#/media/File:Major_League_Soccer_club_locations_2021.png
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Hockey_League#/media/File:NHL_teams_and_conferences_map_-_2021%E2%80%9322.png
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Indoor_Soccer_League_(1978%E2%80%931992)#MISL_teams
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_and_relocated_National_Hockey_League_teams
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_National_Football_League_franchises
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_defunct_National_Basketball_Association_teams
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sizzler
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pudgie's#History
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CKE_Restaurants#/media/File:CarlsJrHardeesLocations.svg
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Rogers_Restaurants#Locations
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Roller_Hockey
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pudgie's#History
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CKE_Restaurants#/media/File:CarlsJrHardeesLocations.svg
- ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Rogers_Restaurants#Locations
17 stores confirmed
NYT confirms there are 17 "open" stores left. Hope everyone is happy now. [1]
173.241.182.119 (talk) 03:05, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- I accept the NYT as a reliable source that there are are 17 stores open as of August 17, 2021, so I have removed the incorrect information sourced to the Sears site. There is no point listing which states have stores when the information is known to be incorrect. And by the way, the IP incorrectly claimed that Sears site listed 20 stores (on August 18) when it actually lists 22. Meters (talk) 03:42, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
I believe I am the one that sourced the Sears site, because (to my Knowledge, unless I missed something), I saw 20 listed there. Either they changed it since I saw it, or I just mistakenly misread it. Both are possible. So if you are seeing 22, then their website is off by 5 stores, for some reason. In any case, 17 is the correct number (which matches my own personal original research that I won't post in the article). Maybe if the Sears site, some DAY is updated down to 17, then at that point, it can be cited to list which states/territories have stores. I have been contacting news agencies for quite a while, trying to get the counts published, and I finally got one to verify and do it. Glad to put that issue to bed (for now anyway, until further closings will invariably happen at some point).
173.241.182.119 (talk) 05:01, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
OK, I counted the Sears website and there are now 22 listed. I wrote a lot more than that. Do not go and delete other people's comments on this Talk page, as that's against the rules. 173.241.182.119 (talk) 06:49, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
173.241.182.119 (talk) 05:32, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- (ec)Of course you were the one that added it, mere hours ago [1]. You used a bare URL with no access date, a useless "currently" in the text, and you likely assumed that there were 20 stores because that's what the earlier edits were claiming. With a dynamic reference such as that you need to actually read the source and verify the number every time you use it, and specify when you accessed it. Without knowing exactly when the refence was used the data is useless to the article, and without proper verification it may be wrong, as it was this time. The source very clearly lists 22 stores.
- Please be more careful, and please don't use bare URLs as references. Meters (talk) 05:37, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I added it. You just wrote an "IP" added it, instead of mentioning my specific IP, so I was just stating that fact. I don't Know what bare URL means. And I don't Know what you are referring to by access Date. I am not an experienced wiki editor, so I am Learning this stuff as I go along. I counted the kmart website when I first posted it, but you are correct that I did not count it EVERY TIME. Again, maybe I miscounted it, or maybe they changed it. It is not the easiest thing to count EVERY TIME, because it does not give a total count. One needs to open each state one by one and keep a running total of the combined states/territories, which is a bit cumbersome, at least, unless you Know of some way to more easily get the total counts on there, that I'm not aware of. If so, do share that. There was nothing useless about "currently" in the text. And why did you delete my text from this Talk page? You yourself wrote that one user cannot edit another user's text on an article's Talk page. You misspelled the word reference as "refence" above. If I edited that, you would jump all over for me wouldn't you? You also, in the above Talk page, wrongly assumed (through OR?) that the entire company was liquidating. I don't see that redacted. So why is my stuff getting removed from this Talk page? We can use OR in the Talk pages, just not in the main article. Again, these are the practice courts of Wimbledon. The rules of center court don't apply on the practice courts. You used OR when you claimed that the entire chain was liquidating. Would you like me to go redact that? It was written several Months ago, above. Leave my Talk stuff alone, and I'll leave yours along. I'm of course just referring to this Talk page, not the main article.173.241.182.119 (talk) 06:52, 19 August 2021 (UTC) 173.241.182.119 (talk) 06:45, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
A "bare url" is a reference that is just a URL, with no other information. When you're adding a reference, there should be a field for 'URL Access Date" which is the date on which you pulled up the website. That information helps us know when the information was added, which makes it easier to check in the future. Also, the use of 'currently' isn't useless, but is incorrect for Wikipedia editing style. The problem is that what's current changes; so when you said "currently" meaning August 2021, in a year "current" will mean August 2022, meaning the information attached will be incorrect. So it'd be better to list it as "As of August 2021, Kmart maintains a presence in...", rather than "Currently Kmart maintains a presence in...".
Kmart's store count is a tricky thing, with the website often not updating in relation to recent store closures. My best guess for the best course of action would be to list it as something to the effect of "As of August 2021, Kmart's website indicates x number of locations, however this number includes locations a and b, which have since closed", with a reference to Kmart's website, and individual news articles about the closure of the other stores. However, I'd like to hear the input of another editor or two on this. Pokemonprime (talk) 10:30, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
I want to do exactly what you mentioned ^ above, but a certain "mall cop" around here will delete it as soon as I do that. You wrote "As of August 2021, Kmart's website indicates x number of locations, however this number includes locations a and b, which have since closed", with a reference to Kmart's website, and individual news articles about the closure of the other stores.". I want to do EXACTLY that, but Good Luck convincing you-Know-who about that. (talk) 22:20, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- IP, I removed the comments from this page as WP:OR, as I stated in my edit summary. It is a WP:NOTAFORUM violation to include your original research on this page when you know it cannot go in the article. Despite what you believe, this page is not a place for general discussion of the topic. It is to discuss changes to the article. Your statement
I can write anything I want on THE TALK page, because it is just that.....A TALK PAGE!!!!! It is a place for us Kmart employees, or ex-employees, or even fans and shoppers to TALK about Kmart.
is completely wrong. Meters (talk) 18:21, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
It is not wrong at all. This is the practice page. Sort of practice court that you practice on before going out on Wimbledon center court. Anything goes on the practice courts, no rules apply. And since you did what you did, I'm going to go ahead and remove YOUR "OR" from this page. I want to hear your reaction to that, LOL! Again, this is an open page for ex Kmart employees to "shoot the shoot" and exchange gossip about Kmart. Now here we go....... 173.241.182.119 (talk) 22:20, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
If Kmart's website is routinely incorrect, the solution is not to use it anyway and try to correct it with OR, the solution is to not use it at all. The NY times cite we have is sufficient, also, Mr IP, that is flatly incorrect. If you insist on disrupting the talk page with irrelevancies I think it is likely that your IP will end up blocked and/or the page protected from editing by IPs. - MrOllie (talk) 22:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Not incorrect at all. This is the page where old Time Kmart fans reminisce and chit-chat about old Kmart happenings over some Beers. Very low key, low pressure place with no rules where we discuss our old Kmart experiences. Like the practice courts of the US Open where we work on trick shots and stuff that we would never do on center court during a real match, or that we would never post in the main article. We just Drink & chit chat here about OLD TIMES related to Kmart. 173.241.182.119 (talk) 23:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- And while I was reading and replying the IP got blocked. MrOllie (talk) 22:56, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Ya, and wrongly so. Now I'm back to chit chat about Kmart musings over Beer. 173.241.182.119 (talk) 23:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- (ec)IP has been blocked for one week. After comments such as [2] I don't know that we've seen the end of the disruption.
- I've manually archived older threads since the talk page was huge and the auto archive had been disabled for some reason. I've also enabled archive searching. No idea why we wouldn't want to be able to search the archive. Meters (talk) 22:59, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
The whole Kmart page is a little bit of a mess. I've occasionally considered doing a top-down rewrite, since I feel like there's a GA in there somewhere.... Pokemonprime (talk)
OK, I'm back from that ban so I'm going to get some shit straight. If someone is going to remove shit that I write on this TALK PAGE (not the main article) as OR, then he (or she) can also expect that I will delete his OR (and also correct his many typos) from this page. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Meters wrote that the whole chain is in liquidation. FALSE!!!! How did he Know that? Where is the link? Then when I called him out, he replied that since this is the Talk page, he can write that. OK!!! Then so can I! The 22 Kmarts listed on their site is wrong because there are 2 in FL, 2 in CA, and 1 in NY, which have closed, bringing us down to the correct 17 listed in the NYT article. OK, we're done for now. 23:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC)173.241.182.119 (talk)
- The IP has added the "footprint" sourced to the KMart store locator (actually an undated bare URL, but still listing 22 stores as of today). I have removed it. The KMart store locator is not a reliable source since we know it is not up to date. Even the IP agrees that this site is not accurate. There are apparently five stores listed that have closed. We cannot combine this inaccurate source with the IP's WP:OR to claim where the remaining stores are. Meters (talk) 09:24, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
- I agree that the COUNTS are not accurate. The footprint is accurate (because under what scenario would it not be?). The site lists 22 stores across the jurisdictions I mentioned. There are only 17, but still, they exist in those jurisdictions I mentioned. Their site is inaccurate for counts, but still can be relied upon to show the overall shrinking footprint. 173.241.182.119 (talk) 15:30, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
- I agree with Meters. We can't split hairs like that. It's not accurate, so we shouldn't use it. We don't have a deadline and Wikipedia isn't supposed to be a source for up to the minute news, so we can wait until it is covered by an actual reliable source. - MrOllie (talk) 15:35, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
- IP, the site cannot be used to show which states or countries have stores. Since it is not accurate, we don't know which of the still listed stores is no longer open (without resorting to WP:OR or WP:SYNTH). There are five incorrect store locations listed. No state or country has more than five listed stores, so any one of them could actually have no stores left. For example, all five stores in New York (the only location with five listed stores) could be closed. There are four places with only one store listed (Guam, Puerto Rico, Michigan, and Montana), so possibly none of those four have any stores left. So, basing the "footprint" on that source may be correct, or it may list one, two, three, or even four states or countries as having stores when they do not. Without a reliable source that explicitly lists which states and countries still have open stores we cannot make this claim. Meters (talk) 18:08, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
- And IP blocked again. I have no objection to anyone including a simple statement about where the remaining stores are if it can be reliably sourced, but I don't see any use in the previous attempts to add a detailed table, or make a big deal of the "footprint" and how small it is now and how far apart the remaining stores are. "There are X remaining stores.[src] There are stores in these states and countries.[src]" Done. Meters (talk) 19:26, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
- And I've removed another unsourced attempt to make claims about how many states still have KMarts. Source it or don't add it. Otherwise this is WP:OR or WP:SYNTH. Meters (talk) 01:44, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
- And IP blocked again. I have no objection to anyone including a simple statement about where the remaining stores are if it can be reliably sourced, but I don't see any use in the previous attempts to add a detailed table, or make a big deal of the "footprint" and how small it is now and how far apart the remaining stores are. "There are X remaining stores.[src] There are stores in these states and countries.[src]" Done. Meters (talk) 19:26, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
- IP, the site cannot be used to show which states or countries have stores. Since it is not accurate, we don't know which of the still listed stores is no longer open (without resorting to WP:OR or WP:SYNTH). There are five incorrect store locations listed. No state or country has more than five listed stores, so any one of them could actually have no stores left. For example, all five stores in New York (the only location with five listed stores) could be closed. There are four places with only one store listed (Guam, Puerto Rico, Michigan, and Montana), so possibly none of those four have any stores left. So, basing the "footprint" on that source may be correct, or it may list one, two, three, or even four states or countries as having stores when they do not. Without a reliable source that explicitly lists which states and countries still have open stores we cannot make this claim. Meters (talk) 18:08, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
- I agree with Meters. We can't split hairs like that. It's not accurate, so we shouldn't use it. We don't have a deadline and Wikipedia isn't supposed to be a source for up to the minute news, so we can wait until it is covered by an actual reliable source. - MrOllie (talk) 15:35, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
- I agree that the COUNTS are not accurate. The footprint is accurate (because under what scenario would it not be?). The site lists 22 stores across the jurisdictions I mentioned. There are only 17, but still, they exist in those jurisdictions I mentioned. Their site is inaccurate for counts, but still can be relied upon to show the overall shrinking footprint. 173.241.182.119 (talk) 15:30, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
"And I'm back."
More WP:OR/WP:SYNTHESIS from the same IP.
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Also, I THINK YOU HAVE ME MIXED UP WITH SOMEONE WHO JUST TRIED EDITING THE MAIN ARTICLE (which you reverted). That was NOT me. I am here discussing a totally different issue, completely unrelated to "states". Take 10 Minutes to read what i wrote on this Talk page before just deleting it for no reason! 173.241.182.119 (talk) 05:30, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
It actually is a general forum about Kmart, but in this case, my points WERE about the article. Was there a single thing I posted that was false? And I made no personal attacks whatsoever. I wrote something like "I hope the person who did it is happy" or something like that. That's not a personal attack. My posts WERE TO SHOW AND SOURCE THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO IDENTIFY EXACTLY WHICH 5 STORES ARE OVERSTATED ON THE KMART.COM WEBSITE. How did you not understand that from my long post which took me over 30 Minutes to write? I meticulously sourced and added all that research and you just deleted it like that? There was NO reason to do that. I attacked nobody. I discussed STORE COUNTS (oh the horror!). And we all Know that I was suspended because of someone reporting me. I think you Know that already. That is not a personal attack. That's my stating a fact. I spent a lot of Time carefully sourcing several closings that have occurred, and others that are under way. Also, it's me, (yes ME!!!!) who found that excellent NYT article which basically bailed all y'all, out, by showing the store counts, a few Months back. Instead of a modicum of gratitude, all people do here is take that for granted and complain. If I saw another editor do that type of work, I would thank them. And you allowed someone to use this source in the main article [1], without even mentioning that this author cites his OWN source as someone named "List Man Jack". Read that source I just linked! My long post, in any case, was to identify exactly which 17 Kmarts were still operating, and among those 17, which 3 were closing. And I had that all 100% sourced here, and you just removed it. SMH, that should not be allowed. 173.241.182.119 (talk) 07:32, 13 October 2021 (UTC) One more point I forgot to make. You claimed I was not suggesting edits. I ACTUALLY AM. Maybe I should have been more specific, but I thought y'all could infer that from what I wrote. I provided (what I believe to be) sufficient sources to show exactly which stores should be removed from the Kmart website (the 22 vs 17 discrepancy) which would make it easy to pinpoint the exact footprint of this company, which is what I was discussing 1 Month ago before I was suspended. I even provided additional sources to show which additional 3 closures will be happening. I stated that I PERSONALLY didn't want to do that edit, but others are welcome to if they want. Why do I not want to do the edit? Because I'm tired of my free work being spit upon. So I'll leave it to others to take the abuse. I just posted my suggested edits here on the Talk page. If people want to act on it, so be it. You still should NOT have deleted it though. I made several extremely legitimately sourced points in there. Read what you deleted? I used about 8 sources at least, if I remember correctly. I can't remember anyone else bothering to use 8 sources on a Talk page (which is essentially just a practice page). 173.241.182.119 (talk) 08:05, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
You keep mentioning personal attacks. What specific attack? If you're going to accuse someone of something, let me Know exactly what that personal attack was. I can't see it because you deleted it and I don't remember exactly what I wrote. (Redacted) Is THAT what you call a personal attack, LOL? If so, we have a very different definition of a personal attack, because that ain't one. I'm from NY, and that wouldn't even be considered a low-level kindergarten insult. In a previous post (long ago) you accused me of having an infatuation with Kmart. I could call that a personal attack, but I'm not sensitive like that. Or if that wasn't it, be an adult and let me see exactly what you consider my personal attack. Post it word for word. Also, who left you to be the final arbiter of what is or isn't a personal attack? Who gave you the right to delete someone's Talk posts? You are not an administrator and neither am I so are privileges here are equal, buddy. Yes those 2 people you mentioned blocked me, because someone gave them the authority to do it. Doesn't mean it was appropriate, necessarily. As the old adage goes, if a cop Says I went through a stop sign, & I Say I didn't, 99 Times out of 100, the judge will believe the cop. That is the privilege of authority. Back on topic here, it should be more than obvious what changes I was freaking suggesting. I'll tackle the small issue first. That Hudson news thing mentions a source of "List Man Jack"? I was trying to gather opinions on if that (List man Jack) was a reliable source. I Know that Hudson whatever is a local paper, not a personal web page. My question is, THE SOURCE that the author used, (List Man Jack), is THAT a reliable source? OK, you want to Know what I want to change and for me to provide sources. That's interesting. BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I FREAKING DID IN MY FIRST POST SINCE I CAME BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And you deleted like 99% of it. I put in all that work, cited about 10 sources on a TALK PAGE, and went step by step to show exactly which 17 stores exist (through sources, mind you). That would allow us to publish the exact footprint of those 17 stores with zero doubt. But then for some reason, you just up and deleted all that work, and I'm not going through the effort of doing all that again. but if you bothered reading through all of it, there was no OR in there. I sourced to the "T" every single discrepancy between the 22 stores on kmart's site and the actual 17 operating stores so we could list the exact footprint of Kmart without any OR. But you just deleted that and you should NOT be allowed to delete someone's hard effort. Honestly, THAT is what the administrators should be looking at, instead of an extremely minor, humorous comment about someone being happy in a basement, for crying out loud. I really don't Know what else to Tell you. My post Spoke for itself. Also why are some of my comments separated into a box like that? I don't Know how to prevent that. 173.241.182.119 (talk) 00:41, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
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IP blocked six-months this time. I'd be happy to look at any suggestions for reliable sources that allow us to update the current number of stores and their locations without requiring WP:OR or WP:SYNTHESIS. 05:31, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
- And now extended twice to 12 months. Other users have found usable sources that have allowed us to update the number of remaining stores (10) as of January 2022. Meters (talk) 23:08, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Ya, still here. 162.213.23.13 (talk) 10:43, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
The New York Times is not updating their article to reflect the fact that there are only twelve stores open now.
Not to mention that it's paywalled, which is even worse.
Can we please use a different (and much more up-to-date) source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:194:C000:1430:A1BC:79FE:B5A1:B4C1 (talk) 12:24, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- That source is used to cite the number of stores as of August 31, 2021, which is the most recent reliable source we have in the article. If you know of a more recent reliable source then please list it. Meters (talk) 16:56, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
- We now have a source showing 10 stores as of January 2022. Meters (talk) 23:04, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Right. Which I provided, so y'all should be eternally grateful for my doing so. Furthermore, that link only existed because I practically implored my friend at that local media station to write that article so I could edit Wiki. Again, you're welcome. Remember, I DID THIS. Don't ever forget who did this. I DID! You are (one again) welcome. Show some gratitude. 162.213.23.13 (talk) 10:46, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
- No, we're not grateful, because you deceptively subverted the sourcing process by getting your friend to publish your POV in a semi-reliable source. MrOllie (talk) 16:01, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
- IP has been blocked form this page, and sock account has been indef'ed.Meters (talk) 06:24, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
- How do you define semi-reliable? 104.192.24.154 (talk) 07:19, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
What's the consensus on this?
Due to the significance of Kmart Australia, should Kmart be referred to as something along the lines of "Kmart (United States of America)" instead? Let's come to a conclusion here...
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- The US Kmart is the primary topic, by a large margin. MrOllie (talk) 14:12, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with MrOllie, I think Kmart Australia can be broken out and the US stores can just be referred to as "Kmart" AlchemistsFire (talk) 23:57, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Also agree; Kmart for original US company is still most well-known usage, even as Kmart US sails into the sunset. OhNoitsJamie Talk 00:14, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
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Please update as it is an important milestone. Edit information as needed. Quoted text not for publishing but to verify source of information. "Three" "It's slowly fading away like Blockbuster and Sears before it. A weathered Kmart sign is displayed above the store in Avenel, N.J., on Monday, April 4, 2022. When the store closes its doors on April 16, it will leave only three remaining U.S. locations for the former retail powerhouse.6 hours ago https://www.deseret.com › u-s-world After Saturday, there will be only 3 Kmart stores left in the U.S." 73.217.139.229 (talk) 04:37, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Not done for now: It's not April 17 yet. Meters (talk) 07:18, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- It's April 17 now. Are you able to do it? 2601:18F:603:EE00:9187:5D65:C3C1:2EEA (talk) 16:33, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- Why don't you try reading the article? It was added yesterday. Meters (talk) 20:33, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- It wasn’t there when I replied to you, that’s for sure. 2601:18F:603:EE00:574:2B7F:1083:D8D (talk) 16:04, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Look at the history. It was added by user:Beyond My Ken on April 16. Meters (talk) 19:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oh, I didn't even notice that. My bad! 2601:18F:603:EE00:54DC:437A:2A13:CCC3 (talk) 22:22, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Look at the history. It was added by user:Beyond My Ken on April 16. Meters (talk) 19:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- It wasn’t there when I replied to you, that’s for sure. 2601:18F:603:EE00:574:2B7F:1083:D8D (talk) 16:04, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
- Why don't you try reading the article? It was added yesterday. Meters (talk) 20:33, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
- It's April 17 now. Are you able to do it? 2601:18F:603:EE00:9187:5D65:C3C1:2EEA (talk) 16:33, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
"Blue Friday" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Kmart Closure in Puerto Rico
It was just recently confirmed that the last remaining Kmart store in Puerto Rico has closed for good: https://www.elnuevodia.com/negocios/empresas-comercios/notas/kmart-de-plaza-las-americas-cierra-sus-puertas/
There was no liquidation sale held. The closure was very sudden and there was basically no notice in advance.
With that being said, we should probably update the article to reflect this. 2601:18F:600:6E30:DD79:C0C9:3BD7:E962 (talk) 23:33, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- This article should not list store by store closings - it has done so in the past and that lead to a bloated, unreadable article. We should not reopen the floodgates. MrOllie (talk) 23:39, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
- That's not what I'm suggesting. All I'm recommending is that the "Number of locations" statistic in the sidebar should be updated to reflect the most recent closure (along with the third to last sentence in the first paragraph of the article).
- Does that sound good? 2601:18F:600:6E30:9DDF:8E8A:61B1:BC1F (talk) 23:46, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
- No, it doesn't. We shouldn't combine sources to track our own figure (WP:SYN). Someone will write an article that gives a revised figure sooner or later. We can wait, there is no deadline. - MrOllie (talk) MrOllie (talk) 23:49, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
- And the cited source does not say that the store is closed. It says it "will close its doors this October", that some employees had posted on social media that they had worked their last day, but that "Empresas Fonalledas, for its part, did not specify if today [October 15] was the last day of service for the store. So, without more sources all we can say that it will be closed by the end of the month. Meters (talk) 19:53, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
- It’s November now, so we generally know for sure that it’s closed, right? 2601:18F:600:6E30:6901:3FE3:941:88EC (talk) 03:19, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- We'll know when an updated source is published. MrOllie (talk) 03:37, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- It’s November now, so we generally know for sure that it’s closed, right? 2601:18F:600:6E30:6901:3FE3:941:88EC (talk) 03:19, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
- And the cited source does not say that the store is closed. It says it "will close its doors this October", that some employees had posted on social media that they had worked their last day, but that "Empresas Fonalledas, for its part, did not specify if today [October 15] was the last day of service for the store. So, without more sources all we can say that it will be closed by the end of the month. Meters (talk) 19:53, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
- No, it doesn't. We shouldn't combine sources to track our own figure (WP:SYN). Someone will write an article that gives a revised figure sooner or later. We can wait, there is no deadline. - MrOllie (talk) MrOllie (talk) 23:49, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Caption for infobox image
I've removed the "and is now Harbor Freight Tools, Hobby Lobby, and Planet Fitness" from the caption "A Kmart store in Goldsboro, North Carolina (Store #7046) in August 2012. This location closed in March 2017, and is now Harbor Freight Tools, Hobby Lobby, and Planet Fitness." for the infobox image. This is unsourced, and even if it were sourced it is trivia that is not needed. Meters (talk) 18:11, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
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Don't you mean "was"
This uses "is" for kmarts status! The company folded 75.76.41.231 (talk) 00:34, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
- The company still operates stores, though nowhere near what they were. - Aoidh (talk) 01:09, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
Many also have a garden center, a Jackson Hewitt tax center, a pharmacy, and a K-Cafe or a deli serving Nathan's Hot Dogs and pizza.
Is this even true anymore? There are like... less than 20 Kmarts left in the US, right? Do any of them still have functioning K-Cafes or pharmacies anymore? George Mucus (talk) 06:21, 23 March 2023 (UTC) 20? There are 3 in the US and another 5 in territories. 2 of the USVI locations and the Guam store have pharmacies, none others do. I don't believe any outside of Guam have cafes.74.80.182.98 (talk) 07:22, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
- I'd wager that the article could be changed to reflect this. If there are no objects then I'll change it. George Mucus (talk) 00:00, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
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It appears that information concerning Kmart locations outside of the continental United States is woefully outdated.
- Puerto Rico – Although the Kmart website still list 3 Puerto Rican locations, the last Kmart store in Puerto Rico closed in October 2022. The other stores on the island have been closed since 2021.[1]
- Virgin Islands – Their 2023 Memorial Day sales ad still list 4 locations.[2]
- Guam - Still open. (Just reopened after a recent cyclone had hit the island.)[3]
What needs to be done? The Infobox needs to be updated by removing Puerto Rico from Area Served. The "2019–present: New management and further decline" section needs to be updated to show that Kmart has left Puerto Rico in October 2022. Use the El Nuevo Día citation for store closure.
References
- ^ Rolón Cintrón, Heidee (October 15, 2022). "Kmart de Plaza Las Américas cierra sus puertas" [Kmart in Plaza Las Américas closes its doors]. El Nuevo Día (in Spanish).
- ^ "Memorial Day Grab & Go DEALS!". Kmart Virgin Islands. May 24, 2023 – via Facebook.
- ^ "Kmart Guam" – via Facebook.
23.25.58.41 (talk) 02:26, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
- We've been waiting for updated sourcing to appear. We can't use social media posts, and elnuevodia published a story about a store being expected to close, but they never updated when it actually did. MrOllie (talk) 12:43, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
- @MrOllie: Would the store directory website for Plaza Las Américas be considered a reliable source? The mall has since removed Kmart from their current store directory, but the store was listed in archived versions taken before the supposed closing. The island of Puerto Rico might be small enough that a newspaper article about the actual door closing may not be consider important enough to be published since it might be obvious to most residents who can just drive/walk by the shopping center. If we cannot consider that Puerto Rico store is actual closed, should the actual store count in the Infobox be increased by one then? 50.231.49.42 (talk) 17:30, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- We should have a proper citation for any changes (a story directory doesn't work either) - that includes changes to the info box. MrOllie (talk) 17:39, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- @MrOllie: How about a The Record (North Jersey) published newspaper article from December 2022 that mentions "Only eight Kmart locations remain, with three in the mainland United States, one in Guam and four in the Virgin Islands..."? Would that be useful for the wiki article? Puerto Rico definitely not mentioned. 50.231.49.42 (talk) 14:28, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- I don't see why that article wouldn't be a valid source. 104.192.24.154 (talk) 07:05, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
- @MrOllie: How about a The Record (North Jersey) published newspaper article from December 2022 that mentions "Only eight Kmart locations remain, with three in the mainland United States, one in Guam and four in the Virgin Islands..."? Would that be useful for the wiki article? Puerto Rico definitely not mentioned. 50.231.49.42 (talk) 14:28, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
- We should have a proper citation for any changes (a story directory doesn't work either) - that includes changes to the info box. MrOllie (talk) 17:39, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
- @MrOllie: Would the store directory website for Plaza Las Américas be considered a reliable source? The mall has since removed Kmart from their current store directory, but the store was listed in archived versions taken before the supposed closing. The island of Puerto Rico might be small enough that a newspaper article about the actual door closing may not be consider important enough to be published since it might be obvious to most residents who can just drive/walk by the shopping center. If we cannot consider that Puerto Rico store is actual closed, should the actual store count in the Infobox be increased by one then? 50.231.49.42 (talk) 17:30, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
I edited the page to reflect the fact that the San Juan, Puerto Rico, store closed in October 2022, leaving only 8 Kmarts still open (not 9). My change was reverted. Why? Ron Newman (talk) 13:32, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
- Read this thread and the previous thread that discussed this. As user:MrOllie said in his summary, your edit was undone for
failure to provide a source
. The source we use in the article says that there were 9 as of April 2022. You did not provide a new source to show that the Puerto Rico store actually closed. - As for the new source proposed by the IP, I would accept it as a reliable source assuming the quote is accurate, but it is paywalled and I can't access it, so it would have to be added by someone who can actually read the source. Meters (talk) 17:46, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
OK what about this source? According to this one, there are 7 stores currently. https://stthomassource.com/content/2023/06/07/one-kmart-on-st-croix-to-close-retail-consulting-firm-reports/
104.192.24.154 (talk) 23:53, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
- It lists 7 stores, but it does not explicitly state that that those are only stores. It says " Only a handful of Kmarts now remain, including two on St. Thomas, two on St. Croix, one in Guam, and two on the U.S. mainland." Meters (talk) 04:34, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
- OK, what about a video OF AN ACTUAL LEGIT USVI NEWSCAST? If you listen carefully at the end, the reporter mentions the count of remaining Kmarts. She mentions how many Kmarts are left, and where. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNZCGI0eEs0 104.192.24.154 (talk) 01:11, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
It is reported that a store in the Virgin Islands is in the process closing in June 2023
The news website "The Virgin Islands Consortium" reported on June 8 that one of the two stores in St. Croix is in the process of closing (see included pictures). The website also mentions that store is also listed on the store liquidation website of SB360 Capital Partners. Do we have enough information to say in the WP article that one of the four Kmarts in the Virgin Islands is in the process of closing, especially with the "Store Closing" sign being shown prominently in the article? 108.71.214.235 (talk) 05:40, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
- Why bother mentioning that a store is closing until it has actually closed? For that matter, as user:MrOllie wrote
This article should not list store by store closings - it has done so in the past and that lead to a bloated, unreadable article.
This store-by-store death march does not need to be documented. Meters (talk) 05:50, 9 June 2023 (UTC)- I guess you are right since this is just the ~500th (or so) closing since January 2019 when the then creditors of Sears Holding were trying to convince Bankruptcy Court judge that it was better to liquidate the entire company instead of allowing Edward Lampert to acquire the most profitable stores so he can squeeze the remaining assets out of the remaining properties at the expense of suppliers, employees and customers with this "slow motion liquidation" could potential continue on for a number of additional years. As for the the individual closings, just the same pattern with only the name of the location and date being changed. As for article bloat, does the reader need to know that the Levittown, New York, location was replaced by Home Depot or the Cambridge, Ohio, location was replaced by Rural King? There is a lot of bloat in the article about former locations that could be trimmed since who cares that a certain former location is now U Haul rental agency instead of a hazardous waste dump or a 5-story apartment complex with a major supermarket chain. Very few readers would care about all of that trivia. 108.71.214.235 (talk) 07:51, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
- I wouldn't argue against trimming the article, particularly the trivia about what has replaced various former stores (mostly unsourced at that). Meters (talk) 08:14, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
- I agree. There were over 2000 Kmarts, and virtually all of them have closed. Whatever trivial amount of remaining stores there are, represent maybe .01% of their peak. Put differently, about 99.99% of them have closed. We don't need or care what happened to over 2000 buildings that USED TO house Kmarts. Virtually any store (of any brand) that closed, the building would be used for something else. Who cares? 104.192.24.154 (talk) 01:17, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
- I guess you are right since this is just the ~500th (or so) closing since January 2019 when the then creditors of Sears Holding were trying to convince Bankruptcy Court judge that it was better to liquidate the entire company instead of allowing Edward Lampert to acquire the most profitable stores so he can squeeze the remaining assets out of the remaining properties at the expense of suppliers, employees and customers with this "slow motion liquidation" could potential continue on for a number of additional years. As for the the individual closings, just the same pattern with only the name of the location and date being changed. As for article bloat, does the reader need to know that the Levittown, New York, location was replaced by Home Depot or the Cambridge, Ohio, location was replaced by Rural King? There is a lot of bloat in the article about former locations that could be trimmed since who cares that a certain former location is now U Haul rental agency instead of a hazardous waste dump or a 5-story apartment complex with a major supermarket chain. Very few readers would care about all of that trivia. 108.71.214.235 (talk) 07:51, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Latest edit
The latest edit to the article (about PR store closing) appears unsourced, but I am unable to reverse it because of the status of this page. 104.192.24.154 (talk) 00:24, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
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