User talk:Tim O'Doherty

Charles

I congratulate you for working to bring Charles to GA level. It really ought to be there for such a prominent topic. From a brief look at it, I wonder if the rather unwholesome goings on in the palace before, during and after his marriage to Diana have been a bit whitewashed, or at least de-emphasized, in the article. At the very least, it should be clearer not only that he and Diana were not happy in their marriage, but that he was jealous of her popularity and treated her badly, for example, calling her "chubby" before their wedding. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:30, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your words there; I can't take all the credit though, as it really was a group effort. Regarding the Diana marriage, maybe that should be looked at. I think the article does a decent job there, but could be improved upon. It does explicitly say "Within five years, the marriage was in trouble due to the couple's incompatibility and near 13-year age difference". I can't think of a way to integrate the more unpleasant things about the marriage in (and I don't want to appease viewers of "The Crown"), but maybe it could be spun off to a different article: "Marriage of Prince Charles and Princess Diana"? In any case, Diana's article uses almost the exact same language; whilst I liked Diana, she wasn't an angel either, and towards the end was probably just as bad as Charles. Regards, Tim O'Doherty (talk) 21:53, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, she had affairs, etc. But instead of both articles not giving the facts, both should give the facts, in Charles's case, that he was known to be envious of Diana's popularity and said and did things (other than his relationship with Camilla) to Diana that are WP:noteworthy, so that readers can understand that part of his life and character more clearly. Anyway, I'm just suggesting that if/when you come across sources that are authoritative in this respect, it would be nice to be alert to, and clarify, these points if possible. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:55, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Alright, will do. Cheers, Tim O'Doherty (talk) 22:56, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Charles III

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Deletion discussion about John Major-Ball

Hello, Tim O'Doherty

Welcome to Wikipedia! I edit here too, under the username Mattdaviesfsic and it's nice to meet you :-)

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Your GA nomination of Charles III

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A barnstar tor you

		The Feathered Quill Barnstar
		For your initiative and perseverance in getting Charles III to GA status. ₪ MIESIANIACAL 19:05, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Reversions

Your reversions on Charles III appear to be based more on personal taste instead of WP policy. It's ok not to agree, but I don't think that merits a flat-out reversion. WP articles need to grow and evolve. —GoldRingChip 17:12, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

@GoldRingChip Right. I've hit the revert limit, so I assure you there won't be any more reverts (for today). I'd discuss it on the BLP's talkpage, rather than here. As for adding the full names, I don't think that'd be wise. Elizabeth II, an FA-class article, doesn't have them. We should aspire to that level. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 17:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Sure, aspirations are fine. Wisdom is good. But it just seems like you're over-patrolling a page and not allowing it to mature. —GoldRingChip 17:40, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

@GoldRingChip Believe that if you wish. I was advised at the GA review to stop the article from slipping below the standards of the criteria: "think carefully before you want to put continual effort in over many years". I've tried not to be overly heavy-handed, but this article is an extremely high-profile BLP. I know that your actions were made in good faith, but I'd take this to talk if I was in your position. I hope that this matter can be settled amicably. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 17:44, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Amicability is my goal, to be sure, and I really do appreciate your assuming that I'm acting in good faith, hence this discussion here without a revert war. I am concerned about the hasty reversion, for two reasons: First... just because it's not the same in a similar article doesn't mean it should be deleted. Consistency is nice but not required and perhaps the other article should be changed. Second... there were other parts of that my edit that were reverted such as the table formatting and the fixing of the inconsistent unbulleted list (which I noted in the edit summary as "Better spacing; consistency"), see Wikipedia:Baby and bathwater. The reversion of the entire edit is what drew my concern that it was just a knee-jerk reversion. So, my larger question is this: how does one draw the line between good-faith patrolling and overzealous gate-keeping? Cheers. —GoldRingChip 18:39, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm not trying to overzealous-ly gatekeep; like I said, "I've tried not to be overly heavy-handed". Like many policies, essays, guidelines etc. that people send my way, I'm aware of "Baby and bathwater", but I apologise for removing the other aspects of the edit, as I wasn't feeling in the mood to disentangle the names from the rest of the table without breaking the markup. I think that the article titles are adequate on their own and don't need to be changed, and the box looks a little ungainly with the additional names. If you do want to go for it, it would have to be done for each monarch's article which has a similar box, and should probably be italicised, like in List of British monarchs. Cheers, Tim O'Doherty (talk) 19:03, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Just realised I forgot to ping: @GoldRingChip. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 19:05, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Charles III

On 3 June 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Charles III, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that in 1984, Charles, Prince of Wales described a proposed extension to the National Gallery as a "monstrous carbuncle"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Charles III. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Charles III), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

-- RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Precious

Charles III

Thank you for quality articles such as Charles III, improved with dedication and driven to GA quality with perseverance, for creations such as Coronation of George II and Caroline, for bringing consistency to the Lord Mayors of London, for humour on your user page, - Tim, you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2856 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:31, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Gerda, you're very kind. Thank you very, very much :) Tim O'Doherty (talk) 07:32, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Sybil (cat)

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I've completed my initial assessment. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Sybil (cat)

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FA

Thanks for offering your input at the FAC for Pope Sisinnius. Your thorough and useful comments were the kind I try to leave when I review an article. I suggest that you spend some more time at FAC; it is a wonderful (but occasionally domineering) place, and we'd be glad to have you. In anticipation of your first ever FAC (how exciting!), reviewing others' articles is a great way to establish links to FAC regulars and get you a feel of the process; that would give you an easier time when you nominate an article as large as Henry VI. The newbies are often subject to more scrutiny, so take that as you will. ;) Unlimitedlead (talk) 14:53, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

@Unlimitedlead Thanks for your kind words; they do mean a lot. I will try to look at FACs I'd be able to form an opinion on, as I do enjoy reviewing articles. I've not been doing much editing on Henry VI lately, which I will rectify; right now, I'm reading up on sources and trying to get the full picture of his reign in first, as I'm rusty on my Wars of the Roses knowledge; I've not studied it properly for years. Happily, my second GA, Sybil, has passed, albeit with a bit of a sourcing issue (the Daily Mail turned out to be the source with the most information, but you just can't use it, unfortunately). In the meantime, have a look at this; 31 of the "monarchs in Britain" articles are FA, with 12 (discounting disputed monarchs and lord protectors) of miscellaneous status, which isn't all that bad; "Monarchs in Britain" may become a featured topic sooner than we think. By the way, after you're back from your travels, I'll add more comments on the Ermengard of Italy GAR, which I've not forgotten about. I'll be in France for a few weeks soon (visiting family and such), so apologies if your return overlaps with that, but I won't have my computer with me and mobile editing is nigh on impossible. Cheers, Tim O'Doherty (talk) 15:11, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Wilberforce (cat)

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June songs

my story today

Congrats to another good GA! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:44, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda :) Tim O'Doherty (talk) 19:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

I heard lovely music recently, check out my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:50, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Will do. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 19:52, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Peta (cat)

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DYK for Sybil (cat)

On 4 July 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sybil (cat), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 2007, Chancellor of the Exchequer Alistair Darling's cat Sybil met Margaret Thatcher? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sybil (cat). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Sybil (cat)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Chief Mouser barnstar

		The Feline Barnstar
		For improving our knowledge of "hired killer[s]". voorts (talk/contributions) 02:06, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, voorts. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 10:06, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Re: reverting my question on Elizabeth II

Where should I repost this exact question conforming to wikipedia guidelines:

Why did the queen die so young? 96 seems so short for a woman head of state. Theheezy (talk) 10:02, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

You mind want to peruse WP:NOTFORUM; talk pages aren't a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. They're there to discuss improvements to the article itself. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 10:06, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

According to your best knowledge of wikipedia guidelines and policies, where is the best place to ask this question. I am waiting for an answer. Theheezy (talk) 10:12, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Best place to ask the question? Google. Or, alternately, read the "Death" section in the article. That would clear up any doubt, I should think. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 10:19, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

You should see my talk page and recent contributions as well. Theheezy (talk) 10:23, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't see the relevance. The two situations are clearly not analagous. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 10:43, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Analogy is a challenging word to define, mathematically. Let me get back to you on this. Theheezy (talk) 11:33, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

My French-Vietnamese sources tell me that it should be *okay*, ecumenically. Theheezy (talk) 15:33, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Am I having blackouts between these messages? I apologise, but I don't understand what you're trying to tell me. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 15:37, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Are you perhaps Professor Tim O'Doherty on linkedin? Do you have a profile on linkedin. Theheezy (talk) 10:15, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you

I'm still new to editing and while I would like to streamline the pages in question I'm glad you've made aware the processes involved. Thank you, much appreciated Little67 (talk) 20:12, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

@Little67 - Apologies if I came off as a bit harsh in the edit summary. Your edit was made in good faith; just read this before making any further edits. Cheers, Tim O'Doherty (talk) 20:16, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Will do, thanks again Little67 (talk) 20:22, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you

Hey Tim, thanks for your changes on England. Could I may request your expert help is trying to remove the too large warning box at United Kingdom? Thank you again! Bwflag2 (talk) 18:31, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

@Bwflag2 - I'll see what I can do. Cheers, Tim O'Doherty (talk) 19:38, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Tim. I really liked your changes before someone has reverted them all, making the page even bigger and larger. The ''too big'' warning will be returned later. :( Bwflag2 (talk) 23:33, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

@Bwflag2 - I wouldn't worry. I'd like to get England to FA-level before 12 July 2027, so it can appear as TFA on its 1,100th birthday. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 23:49, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Best of luck! Yeah, I think England is better than United Kingdom. Nicer to read and looks better presented. I'm glad the too big warning is gone. Bwflag2 (talk) 01:09, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi Tim, thanks for your help again. I'm trying my best to trim the page a little down. Do you like my changes? I'm just asking you as you are an expert. Thank you! Bwflag2 (talk) 18:28, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

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