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Your behaviour is unacceptable

You were warned by me not to revert these changes to support your own point of view. You have breached this warning and are now undoing my work with no basis other than your own point of view. The objective reader will note that I have not altered the lede section which is what the disagreement was over on the Talk Page. It is clear that you have an agenda to gatekeep a specific date range despite available evidence to the contrary freely in the public domain.Richie wright1980 (talk) 23:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

John Higgins non-ranking event finals section

Hello Betty how are you ?. Can you add a runners-up finish to the above section on Higgins page please ?. Judd Trump beat Higgins 5-1 in the final of the Huangguoshu open in china this morning. It is in the other events section on the 23/24 snooker season Can you add this result as Higgins page is locked please ?. Kind Regards 92.251.146.50 (talk) 14:21, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Looks like someone has already added it. Betty Logan (talk) 06:09, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

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Global distribution costs vs Promotional Partner Support?

Hi Betty, you normally have a good mind for this, I'm working on Mission Impossible Fallout and I have two sources, both from Deadline here and here

One has a figure of 140M for global distribution expenses which I thought was marketing and the other 135 for promotional partner support. Are either of these marketing budgets? Re-reading it maybe global distribution is just literally distributing the film? Although that seems very high, and promotional partners is people paying the studio to have their merch featured? Just wondering if you understand these terms more than I do. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 18:34, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi DWB, global distribution costs is basically marketing. It can be slightly different because it historically includes the cost of prints and carriage as well as the actual marketing, but these days (i.e. the days of digital distribution) the terms are interchangeable. I imagine Promotional Partner Support is product placement, although I have never heard it called that. Some of that will be in kind (for example Aston Martin provides the James Bond films with cars to smash up) and some of it will be financial inducement i.e. advertisers paying for their products to be featured, or a burger tie-in meal etc. Betty Logan (talk) 20:50, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

That makes sense, thanks Betty Darkwarriorblake (talk) 14:21, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Barracuda and natural horror films

Hello there, I noticed that you reverted my edits and claimed that the source didn't pass verification. But it did last time I checked. Can you please explain why you think it did not pass verification? Firekong1 (talk) 20:31, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

I have just checked your source. Barracuda is categorized as a "Mystery/Horror" film by your source, not a "Natural horror" film. I am not saying you are wrong, I have no opinion about the film, but the source does not corroborate the claim. Betty Logan (talk) 20:39, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

I see. But it does fit the criteria in terms of being an animal horror film, which makes it justified in being added. May I please add it back? Firekong1 (talk) 01:39, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

While I don't disagree with your analysis, it is not our place as editors to make those types of determinations. The fact remains the claim is not borne out by the source. Allmovie has a full list of natural horror films, and for whatever reason Barracuda does not appear in it. Betty Logan (talk) 02:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Alright. But if the categorization does change on there, then would it be qualified to re-addition? Firekong1 (talk) 16:01, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes that would be fine. Like I said, I don't disagree with your opinion, so if Allmovie add it to the category that would be fine. In fact I think you can submit corrections to them, so you could try that approach. Betty Logan (talk) 21:12, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know! I'll do that when I can. After I do, I'd like to re-add it, and I hope you'll be alright with that. Firekong1 (talk) 21:41, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Only if Allmovie update their categorization to acknowledge the genre. Betty Logan (talk) 05:52, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Of course :) Firekong1 (talk) 21:20, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

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New issues

Here we go again, now they have problems with DCEU movies.... I have already fixed with the archivied versions of the sources in the highest grossing film page--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 12:46, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

BBC report

Hi Betty. Just in case you missed it, see this report.  Alan  (talk) 06:16, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Archivied sources

Do you think we really need all the sources archivied? I don't think so, expecially the sources in the top 50, the grosses from the archivied sources don't match with the actual grosses, for example the archivied version of Avatar 2 says $434.5 million.... So for me they are useless. By the way, there are new issues....--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 00:27, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

If you are referring to this edit I have mixed thoughts. Archiving sources (especially those that won't change, such as books and newspaper sources) can prevent WP:LINKROT. Dying sources is one of the greatest problems that afflicts sources. However, we certainly shouldn't be archiving sources that are incorrect, such as Avatar 2. Personally I wouldn't archive any tracker site (BOM, The Numbers) unless i) we need the archived source because the current gross is incorrect and ii) where they are need to source chart positions. Betty Logan (talk) 02:21, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

So you want to keep all of that exept for the top 50 sources? And also the high-grossing films by year? (Only BOM and TN)--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 10:56, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, this is normal practice on Wikipedia now. But there is no point retaining archived sources if they are i) wrong ii) prone to changing. Betty Logan (talk) 14:56, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

OK, so I should remove them (only BOM and TN) with a link of this discussion?--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 15:07, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, if you don't mind doing that. Betty Logan (talk) 15:47, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

It is not a problem,  Done :) of course I removed them only from BOM and TN sources--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 18:27, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Conflicting BO revenue

Betty, was hoping to lean on your expertise over a concern regarding two recent edits here and here. BOM reports the total box office haul as $668 mil, while NUM reports $670.1 mil. How is it typically worded in prose when there's a conflict like that, and would we insert a range in the infobox? --GoneIn60 (talk) 10:16, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

I think you may find you have your sources back-to-front there...however, if these were two legitimates estimates I would have advised rounding to $670 million, but in this particular case it appears that Box Office Mojo has double-counted a foreign gross: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Film/Film_finance_task_force#Box_Office_Mojo. In this particular case The Numbers ($668 million) is probably the correct figure (it is worth noting that is what BOM had before adding the random $2 million). Luke Stark 96 has done a very good job of tracking BOM's double-counting, but perhaps he has something toadd to this discussion? Betty Logan (talk) 11:13, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

The Man of Steel issue is one of the newest, the right gross is $668,045,518, and then a few days ago BOM added $2 million with no reason, there are many DCEU movies with this problem, unfortunately--Luke Stark 96 (talk) 12:37, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Appreciate the info. I was not aware. --GoneIn60 (talk) 14:32, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Pixels

I was combing through the biggest bomb list and came across Pixels, which is listed at $75 million. So I added this to the article. However, after taking a closer look at the source, it was published before the China release when the film was sitting at $182 million gross. The film ended up grossing $244 million, so wouldn't we need a more recent source to rely on this figure? --GoneIn60 (talk) 00:16, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Looking at the source, it states "accounting for budget, marketing spend and revenue the film can expect to earn in ancillary markets", so the article has factored in expected future income. Whether they've factored it in correctly is another matter. It's not unusual for articles to do this; these loss projections are educated guesswork for the most part. Pixels is so borderline that it could go either way. If revised estimates come our way we will use them (we took Justice League off afters its loss estimates were downgraded) but sometimes we just don't have the information to make that call. There are quite a few films on the list that have a lower-bound estimate far beneath the 90-mil threshold (Black Adam, for example), but they still qualify for the list on the basis that potentially they could be among the top 100 money-losers based on reliable published analysis. Betty Logan (talk) 02:55, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Betty! --GoneIn60 (talk) 09:40, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

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Snooker players infoboxes

Hello Betty, how are you doing ?. I have noticed a change to the above only yesterday. In the infobox where it says Tournament Wins in green, it used to say ranking and the number (of wins across from it) and minor-ranking and the number (of wins across from it) below. In the last week or so it has been changed under the banner Tournament Wins it now says ranking wins and the number and minor-ranking Wins and the number. There is no need to add the word wins underneath as it is used in the line above in Tournament Wins. This was not approved on the talkpage or even mentioned. So who decided to change it and why was it changed please ?. Hope you can help. 178.167.150.13 (talk) 21:04, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with you. The wording is superfluous given the context, and makes the change unnecessary. The change appears to have been initiated without any discussion beforehand. It's not the first time I have had to revert the editor in question; he seems to be making a habit of altering long-standing template and table formats without any discussion or consensus and it is becoming disruptive. Betty Logan (talk) 22:33, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for changing it back. it looked pathetic with the change he made. Can you block him for disruption if he keeps it up  ?. I will keep an eye on it incase he changes it again. Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.150.13 (talk) 00:24, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Blocks shouldn't be given for good faith edits (which this undoubtedly was), but I will discuss the issue with the editor in question if necessary. Betty Logan (talk) 00:44, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

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John Higgins page update needed

Hello Betty how are you doing ?. Betty can you update the above page please ?. It still says Ronnie has 39 ranking titles and 21 triple crowns. Nobody updated the page after the UK. Can you change this please ?. Thank you 178.167.188.7 (talk) 16:43, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Bulgaria Film Rating System Update

Hello Betty, I'm Horrorlover1026, and I hope you're having a good day. I found a credible link to a Film Industry Act of Bulgaria at the Film Center's website which was put into effect in May 2020, which I translated into English. On page 28, it states that persons under the age limit for the categories "C, C+, and D+" must be accompanied in order to view the film. I'm telling you this because I don't know how to add a link myself. Here's the link: file:///C:/Users/seths/Downloads/ZFI_02032021.pdf Horrorlover1026 (talk) 05:12, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Than you, but unfortunately, you have given me a link to a document on your computer. If you provide me with the link to the document on the website I will add it to the article and correct the ratings. Betty Logan (talk) 10:41, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

https://www.nfc.bg/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/ZFI_02032021.pdf Horrorlover1026 (talk) 18:49, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done Betty Logan (talk) 18:55, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Horrorlover1026 (talk) 22:04, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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Seniors 900

Hi Betty how are you doing ?. Can you add the above event to the 2023/24 snooker season calendar please ?. It was the first event of the season for the World Seniors Tour . It was played on one day 29 December 2023. It was staged at Epsom Racecourse in Epsom, England. Stephen Hendry beat Jimmy White 1-0 in the final. It is similar to the Snooker Shootout but the frame lasts for 15 minutes instead of 10. 15 minutes is 900 seconds hence the name. Can you add this event to the World Seniors Tour section please ?. It was live on Channel 5 in the UK. Thank you 92.251.180.135 (talk) 08:53, 19 January 2024 (UTC)