User talk:Deb

Coming here to ask why I deleted your article? Read this page first...

If that doesn't help, read these FAQs.

1. Why did you delete my page when I hadn't finished writing it?

Answer: Don't create new articles unless you are sure they meet wikipedia's criteria, particularly notability and verifiability. If you want to practice, there is the sandbox facility and Wikipedia:Articles for creation where you can get a second opinion from a more experienced contributor. And if you really can't help yourself, use {{underconstruction}} so other people will know you are still working on it.

2. Why did you delete my page for advertising? I wasn't trying to advertise!

Answer: Read Wikipedia:NPOV for guidance on how to word an article so that it doesn't sound like an advertisement.

3. Why did you delete my page for advertising? It was about a non-profit organisation!

Answer: Non-profit organisations advertise all the time - it's still promotion and the rule applies to them just as it does to commercial bodies. See no 2 above.

4. Why did you delete my article without warning?

Answer: Because you are not entitled to a warning if you don't follow the guidelines. See no 1 above.

5. Why didn't you do a google search and find references for my article and put them in for me instead of just deleting it?

Answer: Because I don't have time to do the boring bits for you. I have enough boring bits of my own to work on, thank you.

6. You have a very interesting view of neutrality. The authors you give credence to have a definite point of view and you discount those that disagree.

Answer: There is of course no answer because this is not a question. It's a snide comment added by someone who doesn't understand the NPOV rule. Possibly a Ricardian revisionist.

And please SIGN YOUR POSTS, otherwise I don't know who is asking me the question!

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Deletion review for X-42 Pop-Up Upper Stage

An editor has asked for a deletion review of X-42 Pop-Up Upper Stage. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:5D74:4C06:438E:102E (talk) 15:39, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Deletion review for Okoo

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Okoo. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:5D74:4C06:438E:102E (talk) 15:39, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@Debyou'll have to excuse my amature attempt at creating a legit wiki page, I am not trying hide anything, it is not easy creating a page here on Wikipedia.

I also didnt relaise I can add 'under construction' so people do not constantly delete my work.

Ill try again, for the 3rd time, to create a legit page about a real martial artist, following Wikipedia's many rules.

Greg Gjwillis (talk) 15:49, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

This time you must be honest about your connection with the company. Deb (talk) 16:36, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Deletion review for Elizabeth Shown Mills

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Elizabeth Shown Mills. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:56, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Elizabeth Shown Mills

I am here because you deleted the article, but not to disagree with your deletion. I can see that reasonable editors can disagree as to the interpretation of G11. I think that if more than half of the article needs to be deleted as promotional filler, it is exclusively promotional. I see that other editors disagree. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:17, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm not too bothered either way. I go by the maxim that, if you do a lot of work, you make mistakes. Only if you do nothing constructive can you be perfect at what you do. Deb (talk) 08:39, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that you made a mistake anyway. You were in a minority. There were at least three editors who thought it was G11, the nominator, you, and me. Being in a minority does not mean being wrong, and it does not mean that the majority was wrong. It just means that there two opinions, and one of them was in the majority. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:38, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Rint Sybesma

Hi,

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because it is based on articles for similar academics. The information listed is all about their professional activities, showing in particular that they have had substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity. They are also the lead editor of an influential encyclopedia in their field.

I am an academic in a related field, but not close to the subject, I was advising my colleague Dr Sio on how to create the page.

Please restore it. Francis Bond (talk) 15:01, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Now that you have outed the author of the article, you've also confirmed that she has a personal connection with the subject. You should have informed her that she must declare a conflict of interest. If a decision is made to restore the article, it will be tagged as a COI. Deb (talk) 15:17, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I am sorry it is my first wikipedia article, I was not aware of the COI, which I would gladly declare. The last time I collaborated academically with the subject was 2008. We are not in the same university. I wanted to add a page for him because I noticed that he didn't have a page, and I think he is well-respected in the field. Where should I declare my COI? Olomoonlady (talk) 16:01, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

You can do this on your user page and also in the Talk page for the article. It is highly advisable for new contributors to create articles in draft space and submit them for review before attempting to put them into main space. I will remove some of the promotional content from your article and put it into draft, but you will need to submit for review so that you can get feedback from other users. Deb (talk) 16:18, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Further guidance is available at Help:Your first article. Deb (talk) 16:19, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

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About "Dans la vie, on fait caca musique !"

Is it possible that's the patent nonsense LTA? I'm hesitant to open an SPI given that the title is in French rather than English. Phönedinger's jellyfish II (talk) 19:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

I wasn't familiar with that user but it does sound as though it could be. Do you feel I should block that user? Deb (talk) 07:45, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm not really sure. The draft text just seemed to be a poop joke, albeit a nonsensical one, and most of their enwiki nonsense has been in English and not are French. The account (I haven't checked since the draft got deleted) does match up with the username trends and behavior (create draft then vanish). I'll probably just file an SPI since it's a strong "maybe" at best. Phönedinger's jellyfish II (talk) 16:57, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Deleting page "Social Work In India"

The article I had written was not promotional and only included topics such as History, Field of work and Professional Bodies for Social Workers in India. I had even submitted appropriate links and sources.

Reactivate the page or I will be forced to appeal it. NoworNever007 (talk) 17:18, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Carry on. I gave you advice which you chose to ignore. Deb (talk) 18:06, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

About Draft:Adidas Top Ten - thank you for thanking me, but I do note this muddle-headed wombat may possibly have gotten things wrong here

@DrowssapSMM, Voorts, LeDroider, Bruxton, and Deb: I declined the WP:G6 speedy deletion of that draft, and somehow Adidas Top Ten still redirects to Adidas. I *think* I was right to decline the speedy as the draft had not been assessed by an AFC reviewer as ready for articlespace, but as something of a muddle-headed wombat when it comes to these technical sort of things, there is a good chance I got it wrong. Your thoughts about this? Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 09:52, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree with what you did. There seems to be a lot of this stuff going on at the moment - people nominating unreviewed drafts for speedy deletion in the hope that we won't notice. However, the risk with a redirect is that they will simply add their text into the redirect and no one will notice. So I think I would have protected the page if there is any reason to suppose this might happen. Deb (talk) 11:30, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't think there's a risk in this case. It's been almost two months since I draftified and nothing has happened. Perhaps Drowssap forgot to put the article under review before requesting G6. In any event, I don't think the draft is ready for mainspace. voorts (talk/contributions) 14:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

@Shirt58 I think declining the G6 is correct. Adidas Top Ten redirects to Adidas because I draftified that article and then removed the R2 tag and redirected to Adidas instead. voorts (talk/contributions) 14:34, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

@Shirt58, DrowssapSMM, Voorts, LeDroider, Bruxton, and Deb: Does this mean the page is good to revert back to the original? Can I create the page then for Adidas Top Ten? LeDroider (talk) 03:33, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

If you feel you must do so, create the page in draft, not in mainspace, and submit for review. Deb (talk) 10:31, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The No Spam Barnstar
	Thanks for great work. Tehonk (talk) 08:16, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Senbaga Thottam

That article wasn't meant to look like an advertisement in any manner. I don't know why you called it such. Now how do I get it restored to further improve? An undeletion request failed. Kailash29792 (talk) 08:24, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Why did you move it from draft - twice - without waiting for it to pass review? Deb (talk) 08:45, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Do we have an agreement? We can restore this as a draft and then wait for it to pass? I just wish you had prodded it instead of unilaterally deleting it. That way I could have at least been notified and started improving the article to remove "mistakes". Kailash29792 (talk) 08:51, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Deb, when in doubt, you may tag it for CSD and let another admin take a call. And it's a good practice to do so even when not in doubt, unless it is a most obvious case. That way we have at least 2 editors having had a look at the page before deletion. I see we discussed about it before, and I did let it go at the time as I didn't argue as to why it was not a "most obvious case". I would see the current Senbaga Thottam deletion as a poor unilateral delete. WP:DRAFTOBJECT is allowed, and if you have a concern as an editor, you could AfD the article. If you find valid reasons for speedy, tag it. If you find concerns as an admin, and no one has tagged a page for speedy, you will have to have good reasons to justify a unilateral delete. Jay 💬 09:35, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Jay. And I find Deb's arguments - that the article looked like an "advertisement" - unconvincing. Either way I have submitted it for AfC again and hope it gets accepted. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:56, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

That's kind of you, but no two cases are alike, as those administrators who try to keep spam under control will be aware. I am pretty confused as to why the creator kept moving this article around, into and out of draft, under different names. It achieves nothing to argue the toss after an amicable compromise has been reached. Deb (talk) 14:45, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

I hope this comes to an amicable conclusion after I share the complete fact: I started the article under the title Shenbaga, but moved it to draft as it was still sketchy. After completing work, I moved it back to the mainspace with the spelling Senbaga as it is correct. That's where I guess things fell apart, and Deb, I apologise for my indecision. I hope we can see the article back in the mainspace as I've done my best to make it look non-promotional. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:47, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

No worries - I just don't think I should be the one to review it myself. Deb (talk) 16:15, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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Requesting urgent assist in WP:ANI

Hey there Deb. Could you help take a look on this issue? Said IP address is acting in bad faith, refusing to cooperate or engage in discussions in their talk page, and even being aggresive and accused me of being a "racist" in bad faith on ANI. This is very unbecoming of a responsible editor. Appreciate your help on this. Thanks. hundenvonPG (talk) 12:56, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Deb, I saw your warning, but that IP address is persisting with their behaviour (adding scripts wholesale). I think action has to be taken. hundenvonPG (talk) 13:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I'll check back later. Deb (talk) 13:09, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

He is making racist statement by calling Jawi "unexplained arabic-like scripts" while he knows as a Malaysian that the script is a Jawi script and is used to write the Malay language alongside Latin. 180.75.238.55 (talk) 13:12, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

That's not a racist statement - don't falsely accuse other contributors. Deb (talk) 13:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

That is a Racist statement, he continuously make complains against the Jawi script. That is a racism because he knows Jawi is the traditional script of Malay language. 180.75.238.55 (talk) 13:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

I challenge him to give me proof that Chinese and Tamil are official languages of Malaysia because he puts Chinese and Tamil on every placenames in Penang even though those towns have Malay names. 180.75.238.55 (talk) 13:16, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Deb for your intervention. I had always believed that WP should be collaborative & tried to raise that issue accordingly with said address. Just unfortunate that they didn't see it that way. I will keep you posted. hundenvonPG (talk) 13:52, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Nibble (unit)

The only way that WP:G14 could apply to that page is if it disambiguated zero extant Wikipedia pages, however as it began as a redirect to Nibble, and as a plausible Template:R from unnecessary disambiguation, that is clearly not the case. As such please undelete the page, thank you. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:1DA2:B9FB:6228:587F (talk) 20:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, who are you and why are you asking questions about a page you have had nothing to do with? If you are a contributor who has access to deleted versions, please remember to sign in. Also, try and sort out your grammar. Deb (talk) 09:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)