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Blade element momentum theory[edit]

Hi Deb, I have included some references to validate the material on the Blade Element Momentum theory page. I have also taken a few lines out of the maths to make it simpler. Does the page now have sufficient references?

Smilesgiles89 (talk) 10:18, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of the page: Tower Shadow[edit]

Hi Deb,

You recently deleted a page on tower shadow that I was in the process of working on, which in my opinion was unjustified. In the space of going for a lunch break I find the page deleted. I have no back up version. Can you re-install this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smilesgiles89 (talkcontribs) 14:00, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of the page: MOVE Guides[edit]

Hi Deb,

You deleted a page I created a few days ago for what I believe is not a fair reason and with no notification. The page was created very recently and is about a highly disruptive company in the HR software/technology space. The company includes firms like Amazon, Tesco, and many more amongst its clients and serves 1000s of customers. It's partners and investors are high profile individuals. That in and of itself is enough reason to justify a small page in wikipedia in the interest of public knowledge. Furthermore, the company has gotten ample press coverage and recently even featured in the London Tech City insiders top 100 game changers.

I think Jonathan (who made some comments below) put it best: "Wikipedia is an excellent tool where many collaborators can contribute to a page, but this takes some time for people to all jump on and do their bit, so I think pages should not be deleted for lack of evidence unless they have been sitting there for a while. Maybe I should have had more notes or tags at the top of the article stating that it was a bit of a work-in-progress,..."

I am happy to make any edits you think would be necessary to make a balanced article, but strongly feel that deleting ANY article like that without any fair warning to editors and users is wrong. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.


Tom Tototom —Preceding undated comment added 12:48, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

You don't mean 'disruptive' - that's very misleading. You also don't know the background to the deletion of Jonathan's article, which had been sitting around for 3 weeks waiting for someone else to bring it up to the required standard before it was deleted. I don't normally give warnings - I expect contributors to have read the wikipedia guidelines before they create an article. I have left some advice on your talk page.Deb (talk) 07:37, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Changes of the page: Diana Dell[edit]

Dear Deb, I made changes you suggested, is the article fine enough now? Splinfilini (talk) 12:03, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Changes of the page: Diana Dell[edit]

Dear Deb, I made some changes to make the article adherit guidelines about biographies. Could you suggest what else can be made to make the article meeting English wikipedia standards? Could you please add interwiki reference to Russian article (Диана Дэлль)?

Deletion of the page: Diana Dell[edit]

Dear Deb, I just made a copy of Russian page into English: Диана Дэлль. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Splinfilini (talkcontribs) 10:08, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of the page:Auckland Music Theatre Incorporated[edit]

Hi Deb, you deleted my article about Auckland Music Theatre Incorporated yesterday, stating that it did not meet significance guidelines.

I had only created this page recently, it was very much a work-in-progress and I was in the process of encouraging people that are very familiar with the organisations long history to jump on and add a whole lot of content to the page. The organisation is a not-for-profit organisation which produces amateur theatrical shows and provides education etc. for young people growing up who want to become involved in theatre. It was formed in 1919 so is almost 100 years old, and has had more than 100,000 people over those years attend at various points in time. Whilst the history of this organisation is very vast, most of it is undocumented, and I am currently working on a project to better the organisations website, and I strongly feel that it has a place on Wikipedia - there are certainly less-significant organisations which do tend to survive on Wikipedia.

Wikipedia is an excellent tool where many collaborators can contribute to a page, but this takes some time for people to all jump on and do their bit, so I think pages should not be deleted for lack of evidence unless they have been sitting there for a while. Maybe I should have had more notes or tags at the top of the article stating that it was a bit of a work-in-progress, I don't know, I'm relatively new to this editing thing :) Thanks, Jonathan. Saddlebeast (talk) 11:04, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of the page:The cartful[edit]

I would like to know which word in the page make you feel it is advertising or promotional? We are just students and we know that our English may not be perfect, but you should not barely say that our page is advertising without any reasons.Miffysiu (talk) 14:40, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of the page:The cartful[edit]

You said you delete my page "The cartful" because it is promotional. I think you misunderstand it. The cartful is just a style of mobile stalls in Hong Kong and it does not contain any advertisments. It does not involve any commerical content. Please do not keep deleting our page, we are just doing an university project about Hong Kong. You create many inconvenience for us.Miffysiu (talk) 14:28, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Clarification on page deleted due unambiguous advertising (G11)[edit]

I reviewed the deleted page "Dandelion ~Wishes Brought to You~" in hopes to try and make it more neutral. But I need some feedback as to what else seems to be promotional in it and why it got deleted. I don't want the page to be deleted again. Can this article for creation be reviewed? Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chopsthelamb (talkcontribs) 14:10, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Creating Finnish Centre Students[edit]

Hi I left this same message to the talk page of the article: Finnish Centre Students is one of the oldest (if not the oldest) political student organisation in Finland and the student wing of one of the major political parties here. A quick look tells that tens or even hundreds of similar organisations have Wikipedia sites. (For instance Association of Christian Democratic Students, Conservative Students (Denmark), AktionsGemeinschaft, Liberal Student Clubs (Romania), Federal Association of Liberal Students Groups, Students' League of the Conservative Party (Norway), Confederation of Swedish Conservative and Liberal Students. Many major Finnish politicians have been members of this organisation. I would defenitely keep it on Wikipedia.--Reskelinen (talk) 19:36, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

What is also a little bit sad that you deleted the article without any notice (or background research), without giving a reason and now it should be written again? Or is it saved somewhere? The organisation, which is behind many Prime Ministers and other major politicians in Finland is defenitely more important than many of the existing political youth organisation or student organisation sites on Wikipedia. I wish you answer me?--Reskelinen (talk) 19:56, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

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Permission to create an article named Molly Cavalli[edit]

Miss Deb I want to ask for your permission to create an article whose content was edited irregularly by another user, therefore it was deleted(A7) thanks a lot Devon Werkhise (talk) 05:31, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Explain me better about A7. How does it work?How can I prove why a subject is important or significant? Thanks Devon Werkhise (talk) 15:23, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Siegfried Sassoon[edit]

Just curious as to your reason for the latest change to the Siegfried Sassoon article, as you left no edit summary. Deb (talk) 17:53, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

My signature SVGs for Spender, Sasson, and Crisp have been deleted from Commons because under English law signatures are copyright-worthy apparently. See commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Stephen Spender signature.svg, etc. Therefore I have removed the signature parameters from those pages... --Morn (talk) 18:08, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
P.S. I wonder if we could host them as fair use files on Wikipedia instead if Commons does not accept them. --Morn (talk) 18:12, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Year in Wales[edit]

Deb, do you think the year in Wales articles could do with a section that shows the location and dates of events that happen every year. I know we normally place them in the news events, but maybe happenings such as the National Eisteddfod and the Royal Welsh Show could have their own little section so we can find them quicker. Thoughts? FruitMonkey (talk) 18:16, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Briggs (rapper)[edit]

Hi there,

On 10 February 2010, you deleted Briggs (rapper) stating the reason: "A7: No indication that the article may meet guidelines for inclusion."

I have re-created the page. A lot has happened since February 2010 to make Briggs more notable and significant, and therefore not eligible for speedy deletion: aside from releasing a new album which has been widely reviewed and having toured with major names, he was also the subject of a half-hour documentary on Australia's national television broadcaster. I have included extensive content establishing the notability of the subject with extensive references.

In order to further improve the article, I wondered if you could assist in accessing the page as it was prior to deletion. There may be some content and/or references that may be appropriate for inclusion, but there is no way of knowing this without being able to access the pre-deletion history. Please feel free to copy the old page to User:Sroc/Briggs (2010).

Thank you in advance. sroc (talk) 12:14, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

My RfA[edit]

Thank you for participating in my RfA. I appreciate your sentiments and hope I'll continue to see you around. Kurtis (talk) 16:08, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

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RE: Thanks[edit]

( eich bod croeso !) No problem, the Ip left me a similar gift on my page for removing it, but it was worth it!  :) "....We are all Kosh...."  <-Babylon-5-> 19:38, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

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'Myfanwy' English translation[edit]

Hello Deb,

This is my first foray behind the scenes of Wikipedia. If I have understood correctly, it was you who have done a lot of sterling work on Myfanwy — and that this message may get to you...

I am very keen to establish who wrote the fine rhyming English translation which I believe you first put up in the article on Myfanwy. Are you able to help? How do you get back to me? I guess I leave an e-mail address:

Thanking you in anticipation,


Mike. (talk) 15:47, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

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Mary Stuart[edit]

With regard to [1], you may be interested in commenting at [2]. I don't know of any evidence that the Scottish supporters were ever used in combination with the French arms. DrKiernan (talk) 18:12, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for taking the time to participate in my RfA. I hope that I will be able to improve based on the feedback I received and become a better editor. AutomaticStrikeout 22:17, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


Hello, Deb. I was initially confused by this edit to Hypercorrection, in which you changed the word likely to probably and left the edit summary "Grammar!" I had not heard of the belief that likely as an adverb is a solecism, so I consulted Merriam Webster's Dictionary of English Usage. According to that volume,

The use of likely as an adverb has drawn some negative comment in the 20th century. Bierce 1909 appears to have been the first to object. Although he finds likely perhaps a better choice than probably in "He will likely be elected," he revises the sentence to make likely an adjective: "He is likely to be elected."

Likely is well established as an adverb in English, but so is probably, except to Ambrose Bierce and some of his followers. MWDEU notes that the usage dates to the 14th century and has always been standard in North America, though it's use in English literature apparently declined during the 19th century. Since either word is acceptable, I see no reason not to let your preferred wording stand. Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 01:51, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving![edit]

Happy Thanksgiving, Deb!
As we Americans sit down at our dinner tables and offer our thanks, I would like to give thanks to you for your wonderful contributions and wish you a very happy Thanksgiving. May your turkey, ham or beast of choice satiate you until next year! TRA!
A traditional Thanksgiving dinner.

August 16[edit]

If you believe these day lists need to be more globally focused, the way to do so is to add more names to the list from other locations, not by removing names that you believe to be lesser-known, in your opinion. The idea behind these lists has always been that if a subject is notable enough for an article, they go on the list, the fact that year in music lists do it differently is irrelevant. Of course Wikipedia has something of an American bias, so there will be more western subject articles, hiding them doesn't solve the problem. I suggest you revert yourself and instead attempt to fix the real issue here--Jac16888 Talk 14:32, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


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Lady Eleanor Talbot[edit]

Thanks for reminding me of that page. I came across it a few months ago, thught I'd have a look at the actual evidence concerning Talbot, and then promptly forgot about it! I'll try to remember to look at it over the weekend. Of course it's totally unacceptable as it is. Paul B (talk) 11:29, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, I've given it the once-over! I daren't imagine what Smlark will make of it. Paul B (talk) 17:02, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
I had to give up trying to explain the difference between fact and conjecture. Glad you've had a go at it from a different angle. Deb (talk) 17:48, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm thrilled to be endorsed by such a major Ricardian scholar. But dare I tell You Can Act Like A Man? Paul B (talk) 19:12, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Well done with the continuance of snide remarks :p You Can Walk Like A'Gyptian ;) (talk) 16:33, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps you can explain what was snide about that? Paul B (talk) 19:02, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
"From here, I think, the wound will be consistent with the story I shall tell."You Can Walk Like A'Gyptian ;) (talk) 19:20, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Calendar Update[edit]

The Peacemaking Meeting scheduled for tomorrow has been cancelled due to conflict. . Buster Seven Talk 16:02, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

-) ! Deb (talk) 16:04, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Place names in intro[edit]

Hello Deb, why are you removing the place names in the introduction of biographies? Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 22:32, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Concerning your slimming and globalization at January 4[edit]

Would you mind having a look at WP:DOY; there is a consensus that births and deaths of people with articles here at en-wiki are allowed on the day-pages. Lectonar (talk) 15:59, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Btw, I have undone your edit. Lectonar (talk) 16:00, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Allowed but not compulsory. Deb (talk) 16:03, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that is why I used allowed in the first place; perhaps we should dicuss this on the WP:DOY page; there will be more input (I hope).. Lectonar (talk) 16:15, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Winter Wonderland[edit]

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Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialog, peoples rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.

Happy Holidays. ```Buster Seven Talk 15:03, 12 December 2012 (UTC)


Haha, hi Deb! Erm, I have a question regarding your syntax change. Obviously the word "former" doesn't relate to the nationality, so doesn't it sound strange to your ears if you say out loud "a Czech former tennis player"? It does to mine. A former tennis player. A Czech, who played tennis. A former, Czech, tennis player... "A Czech former tennis player" sounds wrong to me – especially if you replace the word "former" with "retired". I must be wrong... I wrote it, but then I've been living in foreign far too long! PS: Hostáková was born on April 11 Face-wink.svg Jared Preston (talk) 21:28, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I feel differently from you, although I know what you mean. We use a lot of ungrammatical expressions in speech that we wouldn't use in writing. In the case of ex-Communist countries, it could also be confusing - it could, for example, mean that he was a Czech international player but is now Slovak (or whatever), hence I felt it was a change worth making. Nothing personal, I hasten to add. Deb (talk) 08:47, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Grammar check at Rosemarie Esber[edit]

Thanks! I usually pride myself on the correct and clearest application of prepositions, but your version is superior. Can you recommend a reference which will improve my prepositional skills? I'm not kidding. They really are my favorite part of speech. ClaudeReigns (talk) 18:54, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas Deb, and a happy 2013![edit]

Pa ar gyfer fy di-Gymraeg eu hiaith-(Stalker dudalen sgwrs) s yn golygu"Merry Christmas and ... happy new year!
Thank you Deb! –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 17:15, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Scott Wolter[edit]

Posting on my talk page, you might want to look. Dougweller (talk) 17:53, 23 December 2012 (UTC)


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Thank you[edit]

Dear Deb, Thank you very much! I felt very welcome with your message.


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Not 'niece' – 'greatniece'[edit]

Good evening Deb,
Good revision of the film. Just want to pick you up on one point.
May I refer you to this post - my copy of one that I made on User talk:Trappist the monk thirteen months ago.
I have had cause to use it several times since when other editors have made the same mistake as Trappist. Indeed I have noticed him using it himself to advise other editors.
Today I have not changed it back as it might appear churlish.
iechyd a lwc dda i chi ac yn eich blwyddyn annwyl nesaf –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:55, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt reply, Deb. I watched the film first, some time during the Autumn of 2011, and then bought the three books. It is always tiresome when filmmakers alter an original story to suit their need for brevity. Obviously you are correct with regard to what this film tells us about the relationship. Even in the novel it becomes a little confusing as Henrik oscillates between greatniece and niece, but of course, to do that is normal family practice, isn't it?
Would you want to edit the "great-uncle" towards the end of the summary?
Sincerely –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 22:31, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Nos da, Deb –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 22:39, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Dear Deb,
Diolch yn fawr – I like what you have just added. Hoffwn i chi i gyd y gorau ar gyfer 2013!
Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 17:30, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Will Streets[edit]

Thanks for creating the article on Will Streets. I had a note (off-wiki) back in April 2011 to create an article on John William Streets. It was lucky I searched first and instead I just now created the redirect! Is he really better known as Will Streets? I see that is what he was called in life, but many sites I've checked have a formal entry for him as 'John William Streets' and leave the 'Will Streets' bit to the article itself. Similar to (say) how I handled something similar at Robert J. Parks. Should this be John William "Will" Streets? I know some articles (such as Bill Clinton) use the best-known name as the title, but that isn't always the case. What do you think is best here? Carcharoth (talk) 09:06, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Just letting you know that I replied on my talk page. Carcharoth (talk) 23:05, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


Diolch am eich Llongyfarchiadau. The Wikicup has been going for some years but when I suggested they should publicise it more widely, I was told there were enough participants so there was no need. I happened on it by chance a year ago and am having another go in the 2013 competition.

Blwyddin newydd dda! (Actually, I do not speak much Welsh.) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:15, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Me neither. Deb (talk) 12:16, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

2012 in british music[edit]

im not being nasty but ever since you started moving the summary around its been hard to follow the original was easy to read and understandable just a bit of advice i wouldn't have moved stuff around kind regards --Onlythetruthisappropriate (talk) 14:01, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Ok just let me know when your finished :-) --Onlythetruthisappropriate (talk) 14:27, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

2012 in british music[edit]

Im sorry but i stand by my previous opinion week by week statisics give a lot more detail i think it should be reverted --Onlythetruthisappropriate (talk) 18:31, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

I just think the month by month should be cut into shorter sections stating the current number one how many places the previous slipped and the same on albums — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onlythetruthisappropriate (talkcontribs) 18:36, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

I know this makes me sound like a have a lot of time on my hand but i have listened to the charts for everyday since 2006 i know every number one from last year off the top of my head and this is the chart so even though its 2012 in British Music other artists like American's can still be listed as they made a chart impact is this not right? --Onlythetruthisappropriate (talk) 19:13, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Well when you put it like that it sort of makes sense what about if it was number 2 would that be mentionable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onlythetruthisappropriate (talkcontribs) 19:21, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

1345 in fiction[edit]

I don't recall any discussion, but I believe notable fictional references to a year not near the year of publication are normally include in year articles, or a relevant "year in fiction" article. Do you recall any discussion? (And I have no ideas why 1345 is on my watchlist.) — Arthur Rubin (talk) 20:09, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Battle of Mortimer's Cross 1461[edit]

Hi Deb, I see you were the last one to touch this, so thought you ought to know I've done some work on it... let me know what you think. Hopefully dragged it kicking and screaming out of its stubb class! Basket Feudalist 20:27, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Pop'n TwinBee (Game Boy)[edit]

Hello, and thanks for tagging this article for notability back in Jan 2008. I'm working through the backlog at CAT:NN, which is ridiculously long. I'm not sure about this article - perhaps you should consider taking it to the Notability Noticeboard or AfD to get consensus? Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 21:08, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

R3 & the Murder in the Tower[edit]

Hi Deb,

I was just following up with you regarding this book. Have you gotten a copy yet? Thanks. Bill the Cat 7 (talk) 15:31, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Hancock is pretty sound. Basket Feudalist 15:36, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Yes, he makes a very strong case. I'm going to read it again in about a month, this time taking notes. Bill the Cat 7 (talk) 16:21, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Giovanni Domenico Perotti[edit]

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Noel Castree[edit]

Thanks for tagging this article for notability back in 2008. It's still tagged; you may want to take it to the Notability noticeboard or AfD to get it resolved. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 13:24, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - took the old tag off and left the newer one. Deb (talk) 14:21, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Commons account problem[edit]

Hi Deb, I just noticed your commons account problem on the Bureaucrat's Noticeboard on commons. I went ahead and renamed the existing Deb account on commons. Could you try again to unify your accounts. This should create a new Deb account on commons and allow you to vote (if it is not too late). (P.S.: I might have screwed this up, this is my first user rename... let's just see) --Dschwen 17:22, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject Hotels[edit]

Hello, Deb.

You are invited to join WikiProject Hotels, a WikiProject and resource dedicated to improving Wikipedia's coverage of hotels, motels and lodging-related topics.
To join the project, just add your name to the member list. Northamerica1000(talk) 14:06, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Kelly Mill Middle School[edit]

Hello Deb, I've noticed that you have speedily deleted Kelly Mill Middle School and I am not sure that it was correct. WP:CSD#A7 clearly indicates that schools are exempted from A7. — Bill william comptonTalk 15:27, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

I didn't know that it was a work of vandalism. I came at it through Special:NewPages and saw your edit summary. — Bill william comptonTalk 15:39, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

DNA dude[edit]

Oh dear. That might explain his...passion in the matter. Paul B (talk) 11:30, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

premonition? or just good guess?[edit]

spooky!. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:36, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata and Interwiki links[edit]


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Wikidata has been deployed to the English Wikipedia. Wikidata manages interwiki links on a separate project on pages such as this. This means that on Wikipedia articles there is now a language bar on the left hand side of your screen where you can edit and add links rather than adding them into the articles themselves.

If you have any questions regarding Wikidata please use the talk page Wikipedia talk:Wikidata.

·Add§hore· Talk To Me! 20:48, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Frankly, I'm baffled as to how this works. There is no indication how to save the new link. Deb (talk) 12:53, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
In monobook there is a 'edit links' button under the language bar (it probably moves a bit for other skins). Clicking this will take you to Wikidata which is where you are meant to add the links :) ·Add§hore· Talk To Me! 13:09, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for this - that is what I did, but when I had added the links, I could not find a way to save them. Deb (talk) 13:10, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
You should scroll down to the bottom of the wikidata page, Click 'add' at the bottom of the 'List of pages linked to this item' section. add the language code for the site and the page name on that site and then click the save button just to the right on the same line. Let me know if you are still cant quite do it! ·Add§hore· Talk To Me! 15:31, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Nnnno. When I click "add", I get taken to the Wikidata Home page. Tried three times with the same result. I'll just have to wait until it's working properly. Deb (talk) 22:01, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
Hmm, which article in particular are you trying this on? ·Add§hore· Talk To Me! 23:03, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
In this case it was Guillaume Soro. Just tried again - same result. Deb (talk) 08:32, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Very odd as the link for me goes to here. What skin are you using? ·Add§hore· Talk To Me! 12:26, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
The default - Vector? I can get to that link fine - it's when I try to add that I get redirected to the Main Page. Deb (talk) 12:38, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Are you using Internet Explorer as your browser? Wikidata and IE are not entirely compatible. DrKiernan (talk) 21:25, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Indeed I am! Isn't that what most people use? No flaming wonder I can't do it! :-) Deb (talk) 21:26, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
Chrome all the way ;p ·Add§hore· Talk To Me! 12:57, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

"Noddy comments"[edit]

Haha, now that really is very witty. Much laughing. Coz I Luv York, perhaps? or even York Minster ? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

LOL. But the funniest thing of all is Promotor Veritatis's implication that I am a dyed-in-the-wool Ricardian! Deb (talk) 11:13, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Haha. These Crazeee Welshies! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:28, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

The "I'll make you famous" Award[edit]

Billy the Kid corrected.jpg The "I'll make you famous" Award
Awarded for persistence in removing unsourced opinion from article space, despite the risk of having to "explain it to the media". (There's no evidence that William H. Bonney ever told anyone that he'd make them famous - as a threat, euphemism or otherwise - but his character does so in the film Young Guns II) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 12:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

LOL, thanks! Deb (talk) 12:07, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Derrick Morris[edit]

Hi, thanks for creating this article. It's been unref and tagged for notability for 4 years now. Could you look it over and see if you can help improve it? Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 21:44, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Re Elizabeth Woodville[edit]

Hello Deb, I have left some advice at Promotor's talk page and I'm going to close the AN/I thread you started as no action required. This is a new editor who has got off on the wrong foot and in my humble opinion it was an over-reaction to come to AN/I after such a short editing career. You were right to revert the uncited material and Promotor made some very rash and demeaning comebacks. But the social learning curve on entering WP is immensely steep and established editors like you and me have a duty to bring on good faith new contributors. Your initial reversions were fine and it was good that you went to the article talk. But Promotor has never heard of WP:BRD and probably doesn't even know that articles have talk pages. Cut him/her some slack and see if you can't make a good editor out of him/her by helping with an induction into the social niceties. Thanks! Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 11:48, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Had to look up WP:BRD myself! :-) Deb (talk) 19:32, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
I deliberated whether to add anything else to PV's talk page, but decided I would just give a few pointers to why he really doesn't want to carry on going down the road he is, for his own good. I've seen people like this before in other walks of life, people who have been doing things their own way for 30+ years and who are never wrong. You can't reason with them to change their way of thinking, it's too late. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:50, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Too true. I think straight talking is preferable when it gets to this stage. Deb (talk) 12:52, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Cleanup[edit]

Hello, Deb.

You are invited to join WikiProject Cleanup, a WikiProject and resource for Wikipedia cleanup listings, information and discussion.
To join the project, just add your name to the member list. Northamerica1000(talk) 16:07, 24 February 2013 (UTC)


Hi! Thanks for nice words. Could you please help mi with changing "Mi-Parti" to "Mi-parti". It is a small mistake, but anaway, a mistake. Best greetings Derrrwid (talk) 19:57, 27 February 2013 (UTC) er:Derrrwid|Derrrwid]] (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:54, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

A dragon for you[edit]

800x480-Y Ddraig Goch.png Hapus Dydd Gŵyl Dewi!
Happy St David's Day to you.... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:18, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Diolch! Deb (talk) 09:20, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

"Keep" !vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yoga Psychology[edit]

Hi Deb,

I've been (for my sins) working my way through the AfD process on about a dozen books by Prabhat Sarkar, and your !keep vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yoga Psychology was the first time I'd seen anyone mention the publication history as contributing towards notability. As best I can tell, this book (and all of Sarkar's other books) were self-published. Can you tell me what caught your eye in terms of the publication history being impressive? Thanks. Garamond Lethet
16:45, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for replying at the AfD—I appreciate it. Garamond Lethet
20:06, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Hey, Deb... I appreciate your open-mindedness. Perhaps you will feel more comfortable with your vote - a little less "easily misled" - by knowing that "Yoga Psychology" has also been translated into Malay, Chinese, and, presumably, other languages as well. Similarly, another, much more interesting and valuable book (IMHO) currently nominated for deletion by Garamond Lethe - Yogic Treatments and Natural Remedies - has surely been translated into many more languages, including Chinese and Spanish and most major languages of India (having been originally published in Bengali as "Yaogik Cikitsa"). --Abhidevananda (talk) 20:26, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Article notability notification[edit]

Hello. This message is to inform you that an article that you wrote recently, William Crawshay I, has been tagged with a notability notice. This means that it may not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Please note that articles which do not meet these criteria may be merged, redirected, or deleted. Please consider adding reliable, secondary sources to the article in order to establish the topic's notability. You may find the following links useful when searching for sources: "William Crawshay I"news · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images. Thank you for editing Wikipedia! VoxelBot 00:53, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for this. This new editors dbA7s look a bit odd. Is this normal? In ictu oculi (talk) 13:18, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

-) You never know with someone completely new - he probably thinks he's being helpful. Deb (talk) 13:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Why's he only following Stuart Yeates? In ictu oculi (talk) 13:40, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Not necessarily sinister - he may have just gone to the history of the first article he looked at. Deb (talk) 13:42, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

About "Rikieye"[edit]

Thanks, Deb! Just taking baby-steps, now. Peter aka --Shirt58 (talk) 12:19, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Dominic Holland[edit]

Hello, Deb. You just edited Dominic Holland article and removed the following section because it's "promotional":

Corporate engagements[edit]

Holland writes speeches for notable celebrities working on the corporate circuit and his clients include sports stars and CEO’s of multinational companies.

Holland works extensively as an after-dinner speaker on engagements throughout the world.[1] As an awards host and cabaret artiste, his show reels are available on web site.

I agree that the last sentence can be seen as promotional. However, the rest are just the facts of the matter describing the activities of this person which is what Wiki article is all about. Will be grateful if you give the reasons behind your decision. Best, AdVal (talk) 20:24, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Richard III of England reversions[edit]

Hi Deb. There was something odd going on here. I was aiming for the Paul Barlow revision just before the vandalism started; however on two separate attempts it failed to revert fully and produced that messy interim version with a chunk missing which then (the first time) caused you to revert me then have to edit out the vandalism once again. I've now edited it back by hand and I hope it's OK. Not being very technical about Wikipedia I absolutely cannot understand what was going on and why I could not successfully revert to a good revision ... however, if it's fixed, then it's fixed! :) Cheers DBaK (talk) 13:14, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

PS This diff is interesting - it shows the "Although" chunk of text being removed by the vandal - but from the wrong place! In the previous diff, it's where it should be, and has mysteriously moved between diffs. This helps explain why my efforts were doomed, though not how this can happen. :) best wishes DBaK (talk) 13:22, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I made a total pig's ear of that reversion - I should have just gone back to an earlier version! Deb (talk) 13:42, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Yeah but no but ... even if you had, you'd have found out, as I did, that the revisions are themselves in some weird mess, or at least one is. It is not just what it says on the tin! So going back to, say, the Paul Barlow one might not have helped. It certainly did get pigs-eared, yes, but actually I think the culprit was a technical issue, not you, me, or really even the vandal, bless their little cotton socks. Cheers DBaK (talk) 13:49, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

A nice cup of tea[edit]

A Nice Cup of Tea...enjoy!
```Buster Seven Talk 14:05, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Aaaaaah, Tetleys! Deb (talk) 14:21, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Figueira da Foz[edit]

Thanks, Deb. Much appreciated. Regards, Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 20:18, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Nelly Reifler[edit]

Hi Deb - I don't think you should have deleted the wikipedia page for Nelly Reifler. She's a well-known and respected writer with multiple publications, including a second book coming out very soon. I think she's notable and should have her page restored. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lionface234 (talkcontribs) 00:54, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Deb - I still don't know how to restore the page to what I wrote originally. Can you please undo your deletion? It took me a lot of time. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:37, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

War of the Roses (Bill's Sandbox)[edit]

Hi Deb, I've created a sandbox for the WOTR. I'm going to modify it (slowly, since I'm a Wikipedia:WikiGnome) and I would like you to "watch" this page, so that you can add your thoughts. If you know of anyone who can constructively contribute, please let them (and me) know. Bill the Cat 7 (talk) 23:25, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Jinan Foreign Language School[edit]

Sorry to bother you ,but I want to make sure that why there is a second time of the deletion of the Jinan Foreign Language School page. I've deleted the advertisement-like words in my second creation, and I think there wasn't any problem more. YVAZ (talk) 13:10, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation. And where could I find the code of my previous submitting? I forgot to save it. YVAZ (talk) 13:55, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Callimachus Project article[edit]

Hi Deb, You deleted Callimachus_Project for "advertising". I believe this is in error because the Callimachus Project is an Open Source Software project licensed under a very liberal license (the Apache 2 license) and the article was styled after similar projects that are in Category:Software_stubs.

The article was a peer to these other Open Source projects that are similar in scope and licensing. Some of them are supported by a single company, whereas the Callimachus Project has backing from a number of organizations. Please see:

The Callimachus Project is not commercial in the way the following software products are, and yet their articles remain in Wikipedia. They were simply tagged for cleanup instead of being deleted.

I will recreate the page and request that you tag it for any issues that you see. One of us will gladly clean it up. Thanks. Prototypo (talk) 14:05, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Copy-paste move[edit]

I have restored Jinan Foreign Language School & moved it to User:YVAZ/sandbox, to correct your copy-paste move. JamesBWatson (talk) 16:43, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Seems an odd thing to do, but whatever pleases you. Now you've lost the history of the article. Deb (talk) 14:45, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Clinica Alemana de Santiago[edit]

I have recreated Clinica Alemana de Santiago, which you deleted, because I do not believe the page is unambiguously promotional. When the translation from Spanish was complete, the page appears to be a neutral description of a hospital in Chile. I would agree that notability might be an issue, but not promotion. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:46, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I can see your point. Deb (talk) 15:48, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you![edit]

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG Is making a list of tour operators in a city against the rules ? I was in the process of adding more. Delhi Food Tour 12:06, 29 March 2013 (UTC)


I would like to know how on earth was hodopathy was advertising,it made no reference to any company and was a form of alternative medicine.using that rationale you should also delete the page on accupuncture and homeopathy....Uncletomwood (talk) 12:46, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Respected Sir,thats a fact i dont see the any case even if you felt it it didnt have to under G-11.i BELIEVE FIRMLY THAT YOU ARE WRONG SIR.Uncletomwood (talk) 12:56, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

About Euphyllia ancora[edit]

Dearest Deb, please have a little look at User:Shirt58/Euphyllia ancora. Pierrot in Australia aka --Shirt58 (talk) 13:13, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. Deb (talk) 13:16, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Some bubble tea for you![edit]

Bubble Tea.png thank you deb,for considering go phigtins request Uncletomwood (talk) 15:20, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! Deb (talk) 15:21, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Grover Musical Products, Inc.[edit]

Could you please restore the article. I'm still working on it. It is not promotional. It is a dictionary-like identification of a company that makes critical parts for jazz and rock guitars and other stringed instruments. Moreover, it is a start article that will be developed and is integral for musicians and the guitar/banjo community. Eurodog (talk) 19:40, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Reward for those involved in April's First pranks[edit]

Hello Deb, Eduemoni has given you a shining smiling star! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the Shining Smiling Star whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy! Eduemoni↑talk↓ 02:56, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
That's nice - I was beginning to think we'd all be de-sysopped! Deb (talk) 07:05, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Innovation literacy deletion issue[edit]

Some of my colleagues have coined up this specific term in science and mathematics education. We are hoping to provide our community with a venue to contribute and help develop an evolving understanding of the notion of literacy. This is a new conceptual term that appeared in an article, which has only been published last month in a scholarly journal for the first time in the literature. Thanks... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corlumeh (talkcontribs) 17:04, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Just thought you should know[edit]

Recently you were nominated to receive the Editor of the Week Award. Sadly, your nomination was rescinded since administrators are not eligible. Your goodwill and people skills do not go un-noticed. I personally acknowledge you for the lesson of calmness. ```Buster Seven Talk 10:24, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh, thanks! But that's fair enough. Go back far enough in my history and you'll find I'm less volatile than I used to be! But I admit that is partly because, as an admin, I feel I need to set an example. Deb (talk) 10:27, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Some of us who have been around and interacting a long, long time have the greatest respect for you whether in the 2013 version or ~10 years earlier ... DBaK (talk) 13:05, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
👍 Like. I've always been as bold as a mouse, but since I got the extra buttons (tp stalkers: they are actually extra hyperlinks, but that doesn't sound as good) I'm scared to even view a page in case I delete it by accident or something like that.--Shirt58 (talk) 07:50, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you![edit]

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG why was my article deleted? have you really checked the sources there?.. thank you Redtube214 (talk) 07:54, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
...redtube is XXX stuff and no mistake!!! Basket Feudalist 16:32, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Bolloré Africa Logistics Deletion[edit]

Hi Deb,

As I saw you deleted the Bolloré Africa Logistics page. The page was definitely promotional. I have recently reworked the French version in order to make it as informative as possible (with the references I have been able to gather). I am about to re-create one based on what I did in french. Please do not hesitate to review it once live. Best, Douglas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arauris75 (talkcontribs) 15:56, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Middlesbrough Town Hall[edit]

Hi Deb! Just for you, I have had a bash at putting some content into Middlesbrough Town Hall. Best wishes ~ Francis Hannaway (talk) 18:57, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Nice little article now - I've just untagged it.Deb (talk) 07:16, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject Admin Nominators[edit]

Admin mop.PNG Hello. You are invited to join WikiProject Admin Nominators, a project which aims to support editors interested in nominating at Requests for Adminship. We hope that you will join and help to shape the new project. AutomaticStrikeout (TCSign AAPT) 17:32, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, you deleted my draft page just now[edit]

I thought I had created it under the correct title Gender privilege/draft. Did it belong in my user page? Can you advise me for how to do this properly?Rgambord (talk) 17:54, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Gulland Padfield[edit]

The page Gulland Padfield was deleted yesterday. I think that while the article that User:whitemug7 created was verging on the too promotional, that the article as a whole was salvageable with a bit more selectiveness of material and rewording. Would you allow me to recreate the page in a more encyclopaedic fashion and we can then give whitemug a chance to edit it more constructively? Trumpkinius (talk) 07:46, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Could you restore the deleted article to a test page so that I can salvage the links? I'll then also link that to whitemug along with the guidelines on new articles and wp:rs. Trumpkinius (talk) 08:00, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

immediate deletion[edit]

Hi Deb, I am sad that you immediately deleted an article I was creating. I have just begun to create this article, and I am confident I can find third party sources about him. Could you allow contributors a bit of time to improve articles, please? :) OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 17:13, 10 April 2013 (UTC)...Thanks for the suggestion to put an under construction tag on. Sorry I didn't make it clear it was a work in progress..OnBeyondZebrax (talk) 17:21, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Harlan Goldstein[edit]

Hi Deb, can you please advise which part of the page makes you think it's promotional/advertising? It's in fact only a celebrity's biography. Thanks in advance! Echo0126 (talk) 10:03, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Deb, thanks for your feedback. I noticed your concerns that the wordings are not neutral enough, and I should quote related sources in my page. Will definitely rework on it so that it will not get further misunderstood. Thanks for your kind advice! Echo0126 (talk) 10:32, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Tung Chun[edit]

Hi.. Deb.. thanks for replying for me. this page Tung Chun u just deleted has been re created. is there any better solutions for such quick re creations of pages. --Vigyani (talk) 10:38, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Freeing Hong Kong[edit]

Hi.. Deb.. Can you have a look at this also Freeing Hong Kong, if this is notable enough. This article is already deleted 2 times and it is 3rd time this article is created. I had tagged it again for speedy deletion. But now about 4 new editors are active on the article, but all of them have edits only on that page (one of them removed tag). Which indicate they may be sock of the first editor. --Vigyani (talk) 15:34, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]


Buy this kitten!

G Davidson 18:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Laskhmi Jayasankar[edit]

The article is about Lakshmi Jayasankar who is a well known personality in the the Kerala engineering cirles. Why wouldnt wiki let me create an article on such a famous person ?? Anandtr2006 (talk) 09:55, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

WikiCreole to MWML[edit]

Hello, I never received a speedy deletion notice for this article. Could you please undelete it and WP:USERFY it for me to User:Technical_13/Drafts/WC2MWML. I have a feeling it will be more suited as a WP:HELPNS page similar to Help:WordToWiki when it is done. Thank you. Technical 13 (talk) 17:04, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of the Page : Jonathan D Christenbury[edit]

Hello Deb, you recently nominated for and were successful in having the page deleted. I understand that you nominated it under G11: unambiguous advertising or promotion. I have to say that I was surprised at this. I wrote the article from a neutral point of view and decided to go back and re-read it after seeing it flagged. I saw nothing in the article to suggest that it fit the following: "Pages that are exclusively promotional, and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic." Would you please take a look at the page again and re-consider its inclusion in Wikipedia? Thank you for your time. IvanB85 (talk) 18:49, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

April 2013[edit]

Hello, I'm BracketBot. I have automatically detected that your edit to 1986 in British music may have broken the syntax by modifying 1 "[]"s. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave my operator a message on his talk page. Thanks, BracketBot (talk) 19:58, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi there, you recently deleted my page Grey Technology (Gtech) stating that it was promotion/advertising.

I'm a bit of a Wikipedia noob, so forgive me for being a little confused - Gtech are a well-known vacuum manufacture with plenty of media coverage. Its products are available in lots of shops and its just had a big product launch in the US. It's certainly not a small company scrabbling for some promotion - and I thought I'd cited enough references to cover all the points made.

Any guidance you can provide as to how I can make this page acceptable will be very welcome.

Thanks and kind regards,

Opyper — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opyper (talkcontribs) 14:00, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback Deb, I will make changes as suggested. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opyper (talkcontribs) 15:18, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Datuk Ahmad Fauzi Zahari deletion[edit]

You recently deleted the aforementioned article with A2 rationale. I'm just following up, as I can't find the article on the Malaysian-language Wikipedia. Got a link? m.o.p 20:14, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Deleted page[edit]

Hi Deb: You deleted Datuk Ahmad Fauzi Zahari as existing on another Wikipedia. But I can't find it on Malaysian Wikipedia. Can you tell me where it's at? The creator is on IRC asking about its restoration ... Yngvadottir (talk) 20:15, 17 April 2013 (UTC)


Please see Wikipedia:Help desk#page deleted and want to retrieve back. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:43, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of the page: Joshua Walter[edit]

Hi Deb,

You recently deleted Joshua Walter saying "No explanation of significance (real person/animal/organization/web content/organized event". Joshua Walter is a Dutch DJ and Producer who is working very hard on his international carreer. Can you please let me know which changes should be made in order to re create the wikipedia page for Joshua Walter? BrandedPR-Anouk (talk) 08:05, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


I see you deleted FuGENE as "unambiguous advertising or promotion". Could you userfy the page and tell me which part or parts of the article led you to conclude it would need an entire re-write in order not be promotional. Thanks --Pontificalibus (talk) 18:31, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

ok problem solved, you might want to try using Template:Third-party in similar situations in future. --Pontificalibus (talk)
Mmm, or the article's creator might think of it for themselves. Deb (talk) 07:21, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Deb, you deleted Pacinello, a fully operating musical rock group out of NY. This page is vital to their progress. Please undo this. ASAP.

Hi Deb We do not quite understand why our contribution "Lascaux Colours" has been deleted as there apparently exists a special category "Art material brands" and many similar companies such as Joseph Gillot's (pens), Daler-Rowney, Sennelier, Berol, Perry & Co. etc. are listed there. We kindly ask you to give as an explanation. Thanks and regards thespiritofcolours — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritofcolours (talkcontribs) 09:34, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference Knight was invoked but never defined (see the help page).