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*'''Keep''' [[WP:CHEAP|Redirects are cheap]]. Denmark is not a federal country, so there's no reason to assume that LGBT rights in Zealand differ from the rest of Denmark. I like Lunamann's suggestion for a hatnote. - [[User:Presidentman|Presidentman]] [[User talk:Presidentman|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Presidentman|contribs]] ([[WP:TBACK|Talkback]]) 13:55, 26 May 2024 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''' [[WP:CHEAP|Redirects are cheap]]. Denmark is not a federal country, so there's no reason to assume that LGBT rights in Zealand differ from the rest of Denmark. I like Lunamann's suggestion for a hatnote. - [[User:Presidentman|Presidentman]] [[User talk:Presidentman|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Presidentman|contribs]] ([[WP:TBACK|Talkback]]) 13:55, 26 May 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''', and if we go for a hatnote, should we also consider [[Zeeland]] in the Netherlands (historically also spelled Zealand, and the namesake of New Zealand) as a possibility? [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#8a7500">Chaotıċ <span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:#9e5cb1">Enby</span></span>]] ([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 15:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC) |
*'''Keep''', and if we go for a hatnote, should we also consider [[Zeeland]] in the Netherlands (historically also spelled Zealand, and the namesake of New Zealand) as a possibility? [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#8a7500">Chaotıċ <span style="display:inline-flex;rotate:30deg;color:#9e5cb1">Enby</span></span>]] ([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 15:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC) |
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*<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting|deletion sorting]] lists for the following topics: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Politics|Politics]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Sexuality and gender|Sexuality and gender]], and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Denmark|Denmark]]. [[User:Nickps|Nickps]] ([[User talk:Nickps|talk]]) 16:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)</small> |
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Revision as of 16:37, 27 May 2024
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 26, 2024.
Guzzle (Transformers)
Minor character in the franchise, not mentioned in target Rusalkii (talk) 21:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Unless otherwise posted
- Unless otherwise posted → Speed limits in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. Phrase does seem to be primarily used about speed limits in the United States and may make sense in the article, but is confusing with the article as is. Rusalkii (talk) 21:41, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- If redirected to speed limit in general, would that be better? Thanks WhyIsThisSoHard575483838 (talk) 01:33, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- @WhyIsThisSoHard575483838 If "speed limit" actually talks about the phrase or concept, sure. The point is to not confuse readers who don't know what the phrase means. Rusalkii (talk) 03:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Dezarae Kristina Charles
- Dezarae Kristina Charles → Adriana Chechik (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. I think this is in fact her legal name, but The Daily Star is the only source I can find that mentions it at all, and she's clearly not notable under it. Rusalkii (talk) 21:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, basically WP:OR. BD2412 T 22:20, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Sourcing is limited to tabloid journalism, inadequate for WP:BLPNAME purposes. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 22:23, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This redirect is part of a BLP violation, as the creator added the poorly-sourced name to the target article just after creating the redirect. The supporting WP:DAILYSTAR source for the addition was junk, and so the edit was reverted. • Gene93k (talk) 01:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Parineeti Chadha
- Parineeti Chadha → Parineeti Chopra (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Another married actress who did not take her husband's name after marriage. This redirect should not exist. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 19:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: It is not compulsory for an Indian woman to adopt her husband's surname. Kailash29792 (talk) 03:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Katrina Kaushal
- Katrina Kaushal → Katrina Kaif (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Another married actress who did not take her husband's name after marriage. This redirect should not exist. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 19:41, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Kiara Malhotra
- Kiara Malhotra → Kiara Advani (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Another married actress who did not take her husband's name after marriage. This redirect should not exist. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 19:36, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Anushka Sharma Kohli
- Anushka Sharma Kohli → Anushka Sharma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Another married actress who never took her husband's name after marriage. This redirect should not exist. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 19:20, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Rani Mukerji Chopra
- Rani Mukerji Chopra → Rani Mukerji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Another married actress who never took her husband's name after marriage. This redirect should not exist. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 19:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Doesn't matter whether she took her husband's name or not. The name gives results on Getty Images, The Economic Times, Google, etc. Redirects are meant to be alternative names and not necessarily accurate (ex. Jennifer Pitt, Nicole Cruise). Keivan.fTalk 19:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- None of those call her by that name. Also, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 19:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sorry but they do. For example this one from NDTV:
In the letter, signed Rani Mukerji Chopra, the 38-year-old actress writes of her hopes and fears for her baby daughter, of the anxiety and the joy that motherhood brings.
Keivan.fTalk 19:31, 26 May 2024 (UTC)- One passing instance of that name in over a decade of her marriage does not mean she's known by that name. But fine, this redirect can still be understandable because she's self-signed the letter. But for the other actresses, not so much. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 19:38, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sorry but they do. For example this one from NDTV:
- None of those call her by that name. Also, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 19:27, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Saskatoon berry pie
- Saskatoon berry pie → Saskatoon berry pie (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Want to delete this page because a draft for Saskatoon berry pie exists and needs to be published as a new article. NotactuallyaDJ (talk) 19:02, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- You'd want to use WP:CSD G6 for that, I've tagged it for you. Rusalkii (talk) 03:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- As an Template:R from Merge it cannot be G6 deleted, per WP:MAD, instead it needs to be histswapped which can be requested at WP:RM/TR. Ideally the draft would be submitted and an AFC reviewer would work through the process, though direct moves are permitted. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:FDB4:4BE6:CD87:98C2 (talk) 03:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- SilverLocust responded to Rusalkii's request at WP:RM/TR, suggesting that since RfD nom is the main editor of the Draft:Saskatoon berry pie, NotactuallyaDJ just copy over their edits to the article page. I agree with SilverLocust's suggestion as a WP:NOTBURO way of preserving the articlespace history while properly attributing edits first done in draftspace. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 14:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Functionally the difference is the same either way, as histswapping still preserves the history; simply at a new location that is easily tracked. Most straightforward would have been to get the draft accepted by AFC, but copying over directly has no attribution hazard in this case, and the draft can be redirected to the article anyway so all the history is still visible. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:3CF1:7704:B2A1:6109 (talk) 15:35, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- SilverLocust responded to Rusalkii's request at WP:RM/TR, suggesting that since RfD nom is the main editor of the Draft:Saskatoon berry pie, NotactuallyaDJ just copy over their edits to the article page. I agree with SilverLocust's suggestion as a WP:NOTBURO way of preserving the articlespace history while properly attributing edits first done in draftspace. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 14:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- As an Template:R from Merge it cannot be G6 deleted, per WP:MAD, instead it needs to be histswapped which can be requested at WP:RM/TR. Ideally the draft would be submitted and an AFC reviewer would work through the process, though direct moves are permitted. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:FDB4:4BE6:CD87:98C2 (talk) 03:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment There was an article here until last month, when User:Reywas92 BLARed it. Instead of deleting to move a draft over, maybe the original article should be restored and possibly sent to AFD? - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- As a contested WP:MERGE it follows a separate procedure laid out at WP:MERGEPROP. WP:AFD is only needed for deletion, or redirecting without merging any content per WP:ATD-R. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:3CF1:7704:B2A1:6109 (talk) 15:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- The draft's author can just restore the article with the content of their draft, which addresses my BLAR concerns. Reywas92Talk 16:14, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Fair, actually, so long as WP:CWW is followed anyone here can help move things along so I'll do that with a longer explanatory comment to follow. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:356C:F27A:B8A3:AC29 (talk) 16:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment thinking this one over, in reality this is a contested merge combined with a bold rewrite. Hence the article should be restored while discussion is ongoing, it can be restored with the rewrite since bold rewrites are allowed, even while discussion is ongoing, and sometimes done in draftspace for convenience. To the end I've copied over the content to where it's permitted. User:NotactuallyaDJ can now withdraw this RFD nomination as moot and continue to work on the content. User:Reywas92 can start a discussion per WP:MERGEPROP to ascertain consensus on whether a merge is needed if they still want to. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:356C:F27A:B8A3:AC29 (talk) 16:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
IRC +10414
- IRC +10414 → IRC −10414 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Procedural listing; a previous RfD was closed with a consensus to retarget, but InTheAstronomy32 has reverted this. SevenSpheres (talk) 18:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a misspelling. I changed the redirect target because i believe that 'IRC +10414' is a misspelling of IRC -10414 and is the better redirect target so far. An article about this star likely will be never created due to notability issues. InTheAstronomy32 (talk) 18:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Two-Micron Sky Survey per previous RFD. IRC +10414 refers to this star, not IRC -10414, which is this star. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 18:48, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This was never an article, and it isn't mentioned at either target. No pageviews in the last month. I really don't see how this redirect is helpful. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 00:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Alia Bhatt Kapoor
- Alia Bhatt Kapoor → Alia Bhatt (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Subject is not known by the name "Alia Bhatt Kapoor". A redirect such as this should not exist for married women who haven't changed/added their husband's name after marriage. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 18:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I have no strong feelings about this, but when it comes to redirects it doesn't matter what the person is commonly known as. This is not the article's title. As long as some sources refer to her as such the redirect can serve a valid purpose when it comes to looking for the subject. Examples include this one which refers to the
Newlywed Alia Bhatt Kapoor
in the text. The name also yields results on Google. In short, redirects are cheap and they don't need to be 100% accurate; that's why we have ones such as Jennifer Pitt. Keivan.fTalk 19:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- The question isn't what they are "commonly" known as. We should not assume that a married women should take her husband's last name, and that extends to poorly researched sources that call her by that name simply because she's married. It's highly misogynistic, unless ya'll create the same redirects for Ranbir Kapoor Bhatt or Virat Kohli Sharma. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 19:23, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's not for me to assume whether a woman or man has taken up her/his spouse's last name. When sources write something down we simply follow, and redirects are meant to ease the navigation process. Unfortunately, "Ranbir Kapoor Bhatt" doesn't yield any results anywhere, but "Alia Bhatt Kapoor" does and if someone decides to look that name up here after coming across it somewhere else, the redirect will take them to the actual article. Keivan.fTalk 19:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sources can call an actor many things. In this source, Kareena Kapoor Khan is called KKK, as do other sources such as this and this. Does that mean KKK should redirect to her article? Krimuk2.0 (talk) 19:31, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Of course not, because obviously Ku Klux Klan is the primary topic. However, if the name they are using for the person is inherently unique, then I don't see why it can't serve a purpose as a redirect. Keivan.fTalk 19:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Why does it have to be unique? KKK (actress) is unique enough for a redirect. All I'm saying is that there are many ways to call a celebrity, doesn't mean they should all be redirects, especially when it comes to giving women identities that's not theirs, which is exactly what's problematic in the case of "Alia Bhatt Kapoor". Krimuk2.0 (talk) 19:40, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Of course not, because obviously Ku Klux Klan is the primary topic. However, if the name they are using for the person is inherently unique, then I don't see why it can't serve a purpose as a redirect. Keivan.fTalk 19:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sources can call an actor many things. In this source, Kareena Kapoor Khan is called KKK, as do other sources such as this and this. Does that mean KKK should redirect to her article? Krimuk2.0 (talk) 19:31, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- It's not for me to assume whether a woman or man has taken up her/his spouse's last name. When sources write something down we simply follow, and redirects are meant to ease the navigation process. Unfortunately, "Ranbir Kapoor Bhatt" doesn't yield any results anywhere, but "Alia Bhatt Kapoor" does and if someone decides to look that name up here after coming across it somewhere else, the redirect will take them to the actual article. Keivan.fTalk 19:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- The question isn't what they are "commonly" known as. We should not assume that a married women should take her husband's last name, and that extends to poorly researched sources that call her by that name simply because she's married. It's highly misogynistic, unless ya'll create the same redirects for Ranbir Kapoor Bhatt or Virat Kohli Sharma. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 19:23, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Functional derivative(physics)
- Functional derivative(physics) → Functional derivative (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
I could nominate this for CSD per WP:X3 but the page history might be a bit too significant. It looks like a minor edit war happened where someone tried to create a page for something that already has a page. Delete as always. 104.7.152.180 (talk) 05:10, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RDAB: this is still an implausible search term even if it doesn’t qualify for WP:X3. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 13:02, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above; the attempted article has nothing salvageable anyways. Ca talk to me! 14:07, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete it was an article in total for less than a day and as noted it doesn't appear to have any content work keeping. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:15, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Moon of the Spider(novel)
- Moon of the Spider(novel) → List of Diablo novels#Moon of the Spider (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Can't be speedily deleted due to significant edit history, though I doubt the consensus would be any different here. 104.7.152.180 (talk) 03:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RDAB: this is still an implausible search term even if it doesn’t qualify for WP:X3. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 13:02, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete it was an article for several months in 2009/2010 but doesn't appear to contain any content not in Moon of the Spider. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:17, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
24th Mixed Brigade(Imperial Japanese Army)
- 24th Mixed Brigade(Imperial Japanese Army) → 24th Mixed Brigade (Imperial Japanese Army) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Can't be speedily deleted due to significant edit history, but it still falls under WP:X3 so I am nominating this here. 104.7.152.180 (talk) 03:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RDAB: this is still an implausible search term even if it doesn’t qualify for WP:X3. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 13:01, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete it was an article for a few days in 2007 and doesn't appear to contain any content not in the target. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
365(number)
- 365(number) → 365 (number) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Can't be speedily deleted due to significant edit history, but it still falls under WP:X3 so I am nominating this here. 104.7.152.180 (talk) 03:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:RDAB: this is still an implausible search term even if it doesn’t qualify for WP:X3. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 13:00, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete it was an article for a few hours in 2005 and doesn't appear to contain any useful content. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:21, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
LGBT rights in Zealand
- LGBT rights in Zealand → LGBT rights in Denmark (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Zealand not mentioned in article. Rusalkii (talk) 03:06, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
This is the sort of redirect where one would assume there's some grand complex history that explains how the redirect for "LGBT Rights in Zealand" got redirected to a page about a different nation on the other side of the planet. Nnnnnope. It was just... created that way, and the target page at the time had zero mention of--waitthis isn't New ZealandKeep Oh OH OKAY THAT MAKES SENSE NOW. Zealand is the name of the large island that makes up about half of the country of Denmark. While it's not directly mentioned in the article itself, it does repeatedly reference Copenhagen, which... is on the island of Zealand.While it does possibly generate WP:SURPRISE for anyone who decides to abbreviate New Zealand to simply Zealand (which is wrong but hey, until a few minutes ago I didn't know where 'old' Zealand was), a hatnote at the beginning of the current target article would suffice, such as:This is about LGBT rights in Denmark, the country that incorporates the island of Zealand. For LGBT rights in New Zealand, see LGBT rights in New Zealand....which... huh. That's a red link. ...Could drive someone to make the article in question I suppose?Fixed link at 04:30, 26 May 2024 (UTC) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 04:11, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Redirects are cheap. Denmark is not a federal country, so there's no reason to assume that LGBT rights in Zealand differ from the rest of Denmark. I like Lunamann's suggestion for a hatnote. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:55, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, and if we go for a hatnote, should we also consider Zeeland in the Netherlands (historically also spelled Zealand, and the namesake of New Zealand) as a possibility? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 15:06, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politics, Sexuality and gender, and Denmark. Nickps (talk) 16:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Wich
Having created Wich (disambiguation), I doubt that there is a primary topic of the term, and propose to move the disambiguation page over this redirect. BD2412 T 00:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Judging by the relative unnotability compared to the common -wich suffix, the existing page being a redirect to -wich town and keeping the existing hatnote on that page is fine. Just add a note at the top of wich (disambiguation) stating the primary topic. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 07:35, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- The -wich suffix is still just a suffix, not the sort of thing someone would normally look for under the title without the leading hyphen. BD2412 T 14:48, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Great job BD. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the new Wich (disambiguation). -wich can remain targeted at -wich town, but that's because the hyphen matters a lot. Without the hyphen it's entirely plausible that the searcher is looking for something else, and that there is no primary topic. (With the hyphen it's less ambiguous, and there is definitely a primary target in that case) Fieari (talk) 23:47, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support per Fieari - without the hyphen, this should point to the (new) DAB page. Walsh90210 (talk) 02:53, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 02:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC)- Move as per nom. It's a bit silly imo for the primary page to be a redirect to a "Topic (disambiguation)" page. Instead of targeting Wich to Wich (disambiguation) as per Fieari and Walsh, instead move the contents of Wich (disambiguation) to Wich, leaving behind a redirect from the disambig page to the 'primary' page. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 04:18, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
NAAAP Pride Award
- NAAAP Pride Award → NAACP#Awards (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Not mentioned in target. Rusalkii (talk) 02:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as implausible typo. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is not the National Association of Asian American Professionals. mwwv converse∫edits 20:03, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Progressive political values
- Progressive political values → Progressivism in the United States#In the 21st century (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Progressiveness is not an inherently US concept. Rusalkii (talk) 02:06, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like no-brainer retarget to Progressivism to me. Ca talk to me! 14:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC)