Talk:Kathy Griffin

Gay Icon Project

In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 20:46, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Pulp Fiction cameo?

What character did Griffin portray in Pulp Fiction? If the character was unnamed, which scene?

On imdb.com (the Internet Movie Database) it says she played herself.

Well, I don't want to claim any expertise -- but I've seen the movie quite a few times, and I can't think of which scene she might have appeared in. I'm not disputing that she was in the film somewhere; but if she was, we should try to identify where and in what capacity she appeared. That's the proper nature of an informative encyclopedia article. So...does anyone know where in the film she appears? Does she appear in the diner somewhere, or during the boxing match? Does she play one of the "celebrity" waitresses? If so, please add the info.

She witnessed Bruce Willis' run over Ving Rhames just before the pawn shop sequence --Sketchee 21:05, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Yep, she helps Marcellus Wallace (Rhames) up after he gets hit by Butch (Willis), then she says,"If you need someone to go to court for you, I will be gald to help. That guy was a drunken maniac. He hit you, Then he crashed into that car." Wallace asks, "Who?" and Griffin points across the intersection and says, "Him." Wallace pulls his gun and Griffin runs off. She looks completely different i.e. before plastic surgery.--Atticus2020 07:37, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

D-List section

I removed this section of original anaylsis and hype -- including a laudatory quote from Kathy Griffin's mother -- as per Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Aside from constituing original research, it used wildly non-ency language ("sold-out shows"!) and was simply disallowed original research. and advocacy-- Tenebrae 00:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Banned from Tonight Show?

Has Kathy appeared on the Tonight Show previously? On her website, she does have a picture of her posing with Jay Leno on the set of the Tonight Show.BirdbrainedPhoenix 17:29, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

She claims to have been banned from the Tonight Show since that appearance. She has mentioned this in a number of promotional interviews of late. I know of no independent verification for this. -Jmh123 14:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

As the article stands now, the wording appears factual: She claims this, with the implied uncertainly of the word "claim", and there's a linked reference to her making this claim in print. -- Tenebrae 14:50, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikiquote

There was some quotes listed here - per the directions of the person who posted them, I moved them over to Wikiquote. NickBurns 14:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Replacing Rosie on The View

I'm not too sure that Kathy Griffin is the Kathy that the cited news article (which was a celebrity rumor site) meant. After all, the headline reads "Kathy Lee Griffin" and on Kathie Lee Gifford's article, it states that she is in the running for a seat on The View. It is also admitted by Kathy Griffin that she will probably never appear on The View again since a "showdown" with Barbara Walters. So, I don't know. It just doesn't seem to fit.

She's actually appeared on the show several times since the showdown and has co-hosted the show just as often, so her consideration for the seat is legitimate. 69.138.104.214 02:19, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

TV Guide mentioned her, too. I've been trying to find exactly which issue, but it was within the past couple of weeks. It's worth noting that Griffin tends to exaggerate claims of being banned from different shows, to support her claim of being a D-lister. More than one talk-show host has complained about getting pressure from Griffin's fans to "let her back on the show" when, according to the host, she never had been banned. Can't put this in the article without sources to back it up, but hunt 'em up. Lawikitejana 09:49, 17 June 2007 (UTC) Update: Found the TV Guide ref and added it in; oddly, it doesn't seem to be in the newsstand version of the magazine. ?? Lawikitejana 01:51, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Removed the passage. It's weasel-worded, pov, and dated. We don't write speculation or rumor in encyclopedic articles. 71.127.236.82 10:30, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

The View

I added The View because various media outlets have said that kathy griffin is a front runner to replace rose on The View.

Really? Well when you can provide those sources, please feel free to add it. Until then, do not add unsourced information to WP. Carl.bunderson 22:27, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

well i dont know how to source it. but just look online and youll see its all true.

Link? --FireV 20:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

New source to use

Parking this here for the benefit of people with more time to cull info for the article:

• Alexandra Gekas. "Trash-Talking, Foulmouthed and Downright Honest: Comedian Kathy Griffin talks about life as one of the few to be invited to parties with the cool kids," Newsweek (web exclusive), June 15, 2007.

-- Lawikitejana 09:49, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Censored Emmy Statement

While defensive types were quick to condemn the statement, others found it to be a clever skewering of those who thank God or Jesus for assisting them in trouncing opposition, making them money, and generally saying and doing things which are shallow and theologically infantile. If your particular theology can't stand up to jokes, you really need to do some reevaluation of your positions. This isn't remotely relevant to the article, of course, but the speech was quite funny. Censors, to say only a very little of Catholic censors, are apparently employed to murder free and relevant speech and do their little bit to make the world a little more bland. Also, as a final note, I say this as someone who is in the God biz, and still finds the statement hilarious. Good job, Kathy, I might even watch your show sometime. MerricMaker 02:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Using the term “censorship” in this context is really a misnomer. The only institutions that are truly able to censor speech, art, writing or whatever are sovereign governing bodies. To censor something is to complete disallow its dissemination under penalty of civil or criminal recrimination, whereby making a particular vehicle of expression completely unavailable to the public in any given jurisdiction, much like Nazi material being censored by the German and Austrian GOVERNMENTS, placing a total ban on said material under penalty of law. THIS is censorship.

A private company which chooses for whatever reason, not to promulgate or carry certain speech or actions, is not engaging in censorship. If you own a newsstand and choose not to carry Soldier of Fortune and Penthouse magazine, you are not censoring those publications. You are simply exercising your right to stock your retail establishment with the merchandise of your choice and these publications are still legally available elsewhere. You have not censored them by deciding not to carry them.

Calling the decision not to air Griffin’s comments “censorship” further confuses the issue needlessly. Her comments have NOT been censored (if they were we would not be able to talk about them and/or quote them here). It was simply a decision on behalf of a PRIVATE company to freely choose what content they desired to carry.

Please be more careful in the future with your choice of words. It may seem like a trivial distinction but in reality there is a tremendous difference between true censorship and what is actually the case here.202.88.81.69 13:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Were someone talking about the event--assuming that they didn't happen to be an attorney--and made mention of the response the Catholic representative managed to elicit from the Emmy committee or whomever has the final say with regards to the Emmy broadcast's contents, they would not say, "Ms. Griffin's statements will not be aired here as an exercise of the broadcasting authority's right not to disseminate certain material." They would say: "What Ms. Griffin said has been censored." If nothing else, this is much more expedient. To excise material from a publication or broadcast due to its content and based on pressure from some individual or body is properly identified as censorship. If an editor cuts something from a book because it talks about something that editor feels is inappropriate, it is censored. This does not prevent the author from keeping the material and finding a different editor, but the act remains one of censorship. There are degrees of censorship. Within a particular sphere of public consumption, the statements of Ms. Griffin were censored. As a side note, don't tell me to be careful as if I used language unthinkingly. What I offered was not introduced into the article nor was it intended to be; it was simply meant to point out that there are religious persons who think Jesus can take care of himself, and wouldn't mind a good joke at his expense. Oh, and use italics for pete's sake. All caps is rather gauche. MerricMaker 15:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)