User talk:DrFrench

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T&W sta infobox

I have made an alteration to this so now it is possible to add platforms. However, i feel i have made it compulsory and so it may need to be added to all stations. I have left a similar message on the WP:T&W talk page Simply south 01:01, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I have changed the title so that it may be possible in future to add things under the operations, not just the platforms. (I also sometimes need to think more first!) I think i only changed Monument so i'll check. Simply south 11:22, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Tyne and Wear

Hi there I'm the Manager of WikiProject Tyne and Wear, I noticed you have left comments on the talk page of the Project Tyne and made some improvements, because of your contributions and your apparent interest in the project I would like to invite you to become a member and to generally help improve the articles, I hope your interested and I'll look forward to seeing your username on the Participants section hopefully in the near future! if you have any comments please contact me or leave a note on the talk page of the project.Tellyaddict^{Editor review!} 12:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Shiremoor/Backworth

Thanks for explanation on my talk page. I'll leave it alone, as I didn't find precise verification in the first place. BTW you forgot to sign. --Richhoncho 21:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

The Artists' Studio

I'm not entirely sure I understand the reason behind your tagging well enough to be able to fix it. The AfD for this article initially forced an overabundance of sources from a variety of places which is why there are so many print sources available, though considering theatres strive for reviews, post auditions, and experience controversy, I find it difficult to understand exactly what this tag is going for. Perhaps you could enlighten me as more details in your reasoning, and advice as to what needs to be done. Of course, any help would be appreciated as well! Thanks. --Enhanceddownloadbird 18:03, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Ally Pally

Got your note on my talk about the panoramic image. That's fine. Just a question... You said: 'I notice you've undone my reversion already before I could finish this note. I will undo that, not out of spite, but purely because I didn't get the chance to tell you why before.'

I don't understand... I did no reversion of the page - I only made one edit which was soley to make it a wide image. J.P.Lon 00:06, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Caledonian Sleeper and Highland Chieftain

STOP CHANGING MY EDITS PLEASE

why u keep changing my edits?

why is it if U dont agree with something that it shud b deleted? without sme1 els baking u up

u should gt consensous to remove — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.234.187 (talk • contribs) 13:30, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, DrFrench, could I remind you of the three-revert rule, which in a nutshell is that "Edit warring is harmful. Editors who revert a page in whole or in part more than three times in 24 hours, except in certain special circumstances, are likely to be blocked from editing". Whilst I agree that the timetable information isn't appropriate, it doesn't come under any of the exemptions from 3RR. If 81.109.234.187 puts the information back in after you have removed it, you should discuss this on the talk page. If you ignore the 3RR you could be blocked despite your edits being well intentioned. Adambro 13:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

it would help if drfrench would rply on his talk page to my questins

I have replied to your questions. I have replied by adding comments to your talk page. Please read them.

DrFrench 13:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

u shud kep questions and answrs n th same pag how can u follow a conversation othrwise? so pleas reply here

I find it hard to follow your conversations as you insist on using text speak. Please consider using normal English. Please remember to sign your comments. I left the comments on your user page so you would be alerted that was a new message for you. And you were obviously aware that I had left a coment there, becasue you blanked the page.

DrFrench 13:50, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

You just wanna get rid of something you dont like and has had some work put into it - i think it very selfish and you havent asked if anyone eles dosnt want them in

Timetables.

This is a cross-post. Due to your Edit waring over Highland Chieftain and Caldeonian Sleeper, you've violated 3RR, therefore I've reverted to a pre-edit-war version and reported you both on the 3RR noticeboard. Please refrain from editing the articles until the matter has been settled. Thanks, Will ^{(Speak to Me/Breathe)}_{(Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash)} 13:48, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.

, for 24 hrs Rlevse 15:30, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

WMSR

Great work with the Wrexham, Shropshire and Marylebone Railway article: it needed something like that. I've made a couple of subtle modifications to your version: hope you don't mind! --RFBailey 23:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

This is everyone's Wikipedia

WP:KETTLE. Have a nice day. Chris cheese whine 21:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't aware that editing in line with our policies and guidelines was contrary to consensus, of which you are clearly the ultimate arbiter. Chris cheese whine 21:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

What it doesn't say is that you need to obtain a consensus of immediately-involved parties every time you want to make a small change, when there are perfectly good policies and consensus behaviour already. Drop in to WP:IFD some time and see various cosmetic imagery get deleted on a regular basis. I even brought this up at the Pump, and the response seems to be in no doubt about it. It seems you are clearly misunderstanding what consensus actually means. Chris cheese whine 21:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Station nameboards at WP:IFD

I have followed the recommendation made to be at the Pump, and proposed these for deletion at WP:IFD. Feel free to weigh in on the discussion there (remember that thing you said about "building consensus"?). Chris cheese whine 22:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Top Gear Dog

Can you please refrain from constantly undoing other people's edits without first discussing them on the talk page? I see you have already been temporarily banned in the past for such actions.

Well you may have noticed that I have backed down and created a new Top Gear Dog page, the aim being for this to make "featured article" status at some point. The presenter part of the main Top Gear page that has become so argued about has been removed.

If you disagree, I recommend to make your opinions clear on the Talk:Top_Gear_Dog page. Davesmith33 19:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Davesmith33

I am working on a WP:AN/I report right now for disruption. His edits right now are ridiculous. I think a RfC would be a great idea. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 22:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

The Stig

The stig is not a presenter, he is a co-star. Davesmith33 12:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Consensus of opinion seems to disagree with you. DrFrench 13:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Tyne and Wear metro nameboards

Please stop edit-warring over the issue of nameboards for the Tyne and Wear Metro station articles (e.g. Haymarket Metro station). Some kind of compromise needs to be reached, and persistent tit-for-tat reversions will not achieve this. I have left this message for all the editors involved.

As a compromise, I suggest having the nameboards somewhere else in the article but not as the station name in the infobox. Personally, I think this is the fairest solution. Please give it consideration. --RFBailey 19:44, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Arbcom

You have been included as a 'related party' in a request for arbitration Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Bullying_and_Victimisation_against_Davesmith33 Davesmith33 17:56, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

This explains a lot, will keep a good eye on this issue from now on. Regards, SqueakBox 21:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Virgin trains logo

Thanks for sorting out the links for the Virgin Trains logos on Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2007_April_9#Image:Virgin_trains_logo_red.gif. I couldn't work out what I was doing wrong - it's obvious now! DrFrench 02:10, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Just did it for the first time myself tonight, I had the same problem earlier! Glad I could help :) - Cloudz679 02:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Duplicates

Can you substitute on your subpages all svg-images for railwaydiagrams, which are duplicates, with the other one ? That will be nice. You can find them here. The filenames start with "BSicon" and contain the substring "STB" somewhere behind. Thank you. 84.150.215.245 11:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Falkland Islands

Whoops... thanks for letting me know about the version mix-up. It's been really hard to keep track over the past while. I've made the change (and I notice that the page is now protected as well.) Cheers! --Ckatz^chat_spy 22:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Sabine Schmitz

Can you stop vandalising the Top Gear pages. The removal of Sabine Schmitz is both childish and is violating the neutrality of the project. Davesmith33 16:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Disagreeing with Davesmith33 != WP:VAND. DrFrench 21:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

TG

Rather peaceful round here now, isn't it? ;) --Steve _(Stephen) ^talk 23:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Please stop adding the word featured to the sentence It is not necessary and I creating unnecessary ambiguity and is upsetting the tone and flow of the introduction the article. Many thanks--Lucy-marie 19:09, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Station nameboards

Closed off as requested; however, the Mock London Underground station plates have not been added back to any articles, which makes them orphans and ripe for deletion. I hope someone who is interested in the name plates adds them to articles (hint, hint). -Regards, Nv8200p talk 16:42, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Northern City Line

You can revert whatsoever you wish, as long as you have the interests of the article at heart. I was puzzled by your decision to remove the London Underground at Highbury & Islington though. I would have thought this merited inclusion. Ho hum ... I do not know what the rules are for what to inlcude/exclude on the maps ... perhaps you can point me to your source of information on this. Miner2049er 09:46, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I certainly do have the interest if this (and other articles) at heart. I guess there are no 'rules', but I try to keep things simple but informative. I have created a number of maps for a variety of articles, but each one is different. It can be difficult to decide what to include or exclude, but I guess it's best to think 'does including it add anything to the diagram' or 'will excluding it detract from the diagram'. Adding in lines that don't connect with the route being mapped isn't generally going to add anything and often make it harder to understand. Each station is linked, so the reader can click the Highbury wikilink for more information. If you add the Victoria line and Thameslink, then someone will add the Northern line, and the North London line and the Circle line... and in the end you won't be able to see the Northern City line! DrFrench 21:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Whatever ... Miner2049er 21:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Dear sir, the message that you left on my talk page was rather aggressive and impolite. I am new to this place, so may I kindly remind you of of WP:BITE and WP:KETTLE. This place is all about cooperation and collaboration, so please do not take any edits of the Northern City Line to represent an incursion into your territory. Miner2049er 21:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

??? Yes you are new - but what was the reason for the "Whatever" comment you posted above? thatwas uncalled for. I was polite to you when I posted on your talk page originally and I was polite to you when answering your question above. I didn't think your "whatever" comment was either polite or justified. Asking you to be civil is not aggressive or biting the newbies and seeing as I wasn't rude to you, I'm not quite sure what your point is. DrFrench 21:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

:::: Sir, you did not fully answer my question of the source of your information of what to include/exclude on the maps. Your explanation seems to infer that there are 'no rules', and that it is up to individual editors to decide what is best. To my mind this invites 'edit wars' and does nothing to ensure an element of consistency between maps. I would remind you that 'anarchy' is not an option ... we need clear rules/guidelines ... and so I further request that you point me in the direction of them. BTW, I find your offhand attitude not to my liking, and is not WP:CIVIL. Please adjust your behavior with immediate effect :-) Miner2049er 21:47, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

In Wikipedia it's normal to try and work things out through WP:CONSENSUS rather than having rigid rules - see WP:FIVE. I'm sorry if you find my attitude 'offhand' but if you go round saying 'whatever' to people in the real world, I'm sure you'll find people will react negatively. If you ask people nicely instead, you'll get a much better reaction. If my attitude is not to your liking - well tough. I was polite to you, I tried to be helpful and you were just rude in return. If you'd like to apologise and strike out your comment above, then we can start over. To answer your other question, try looking at WP:TRAIL and its associated talk page if you want to discuss the railway line templates and their implementation. DrFrench 22:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

It is clearly "your" page ... so I shall cease making any further edits to it. Miner2049er 18:41, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Whatever. To be honest I have no idea what you are going on about. I haven't made an edit to the Northern City Line page for over a week, whereas you have made four edits to it in that time. That's hardly page ownership. Anyway, it seems you've thrown your toys out of your pram just because a couple of people have made polite and helpful suggestions to you. Oh well.... DrFrench 20:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Cruise (clothing)

Thanks for noticing me about this article's speedy deletion nomination, maybe I should inform you though that all I did was creating a redirect on this article as I'm part of the Fashion WikiProject and we were simply enforcing the naming convention of disambiguated clothes brands' articles. I modified a good number of them and didn't really check the articles actually, not seeing this particular one was nothing more than advertising. Thanks for clearing the article, but I'm really not the creator of it, the notice wasn't really necessary. Thanks for your time. Thiste 01:00, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Civility, or otherwise

Hi DrFrench, with regard to your discussion above with User:Miner2049er your comment about "throwing toys out of the pram", while perhaps not unprovoked, was not appropriate. Please try and avoid doing such things: in this case you've contibuted to scaring away an editor who was making useful contributions (see this). --RFBailey 21:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair doos, but do bear in mind my 'throwing the toys out of a pram comment' was made after he posted his 'quit' notice - and was my comment on the quit notice, not a cause of it. I am at a loss to understand why he has acted as he did. For example, I posted an explanation on his talk page (see here) as to why I reverted one of his changes. I did that as I was trying to be friendly and willing to discuss the matter, as I did on my talk page here. Instead I received rather aggressive and sarcastic responses. Yes, my comment is perhaps regrettable (being said in the heat of the moment) - but was a result of (and not the cause of) his decision to quit. As far as I can see, no-one has been nasty to him - only constructive and helpful suggestions were made. (I've struck out the comment above, which I understand is the correct etiquette? As in not trying to hide the fact I said it by deleting it, but withdrawing the comment). DrFrench 22:05, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, but my feeling (even yesterday, before he quit) was that the whole discussion above didn't help. That said, he does seem to have been rather paranoid and defensive. Don't worry about it. --RFBailey 22:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Question

Hi there - just a quick question re: User:Davesmith33. For some reason he is on my watch list, and since he's been unblocked I can't say enough about how terrible I find his behaviour. I was curious at to whether there is any other action that could be taken against him (I am relatively new here) - i.e. permanent block or longer bans?

On a similar note, see any similarity between this and this? Dates don't overlap and the pages that the edits are made to are all top gear related (and even non-TG ones like this one have a definite TG slant on them). Just a thought.

You seem to be quite heavily involved in the Davesmith issue, but if you would care for any assistance is solving the problem, I would be more than happy to help. ...adam... (131.111.244.234 08:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC))

Guess it doesn't matter anymore - it's a real shame about the guy. ...adam... (131.111.8.104 12:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC))

Sorry - yes, by the time I got round to replying to you, he'd already 'erupted'. I guess I was 'heavily involved', albeit reluctantly - and it's always a bit nasty if someone gets blocked.

By the way, re your comments above, do you think that Davesmith33 and Suave12 are the same person?

Just for reference, there are things that can be done when people are acting like that; WP:AN if you need to bring something to an Admin's attention, WP:RFC if you want to get some 'community opinion' (and there are other dispute reolution options highlighted on that page). By the way, you might want to consider registering and getting your own username. You seem to be interested in building a better Wikipedia, registering makes it easier for other people to recognise you and you build your 'authority'. Happy editing! DrFrench 13:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

D'Oh, I just realised that you are registered and do have a user name... ooops! DrFrench 13:30, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

User page

Thanks for the barnstar! And no problem at all. My userpage got hit first so I was watching all the user's edits and didn't think what they did to your userpage was appropriate!! See above a suggestion that Davesmith33 and Suave1 are the same user? Well both blocked now anyway! Mark83 19:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Clarkson

No, that comment wasn't aimed at you. Nandesuka 23:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair doos - I was a bit confuddled!  :-) DrFrench 23:10, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Nice work...

...on the Newcastle & North Shields Railway article. The map really improves things. Do you have any pictures handy (of the Metro line, say) that might illustrate it? I'm still trying to find an illustration of the old Carliol Square station. Regards, ProhibitOnions ^(T) 19:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Manchester Metrolink

I'd like to know what was so speculative about my input, other than perhaps the last section, which I'd have been glad to remove myself. All the rest is accurate according to the official metro leaflets. user:Rockvamp 22:28, 05 May 2007 (GMT)

Kingston Park

Thank you for catching and correcting the edit to quoted text at Kingston Park. Editore99 13:36, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem, I have reverted the decade wikilinks too. I thought them useful in putting the development into the context of its time - although you may still feel they are superfluous, if so feel free to remove. DrFrench 14:35, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Turnpike Lane

Hi there. My reasoning for adding the link to the borough page is: that education is considered a part of describing settlements (How to), and that education in London is organised by the boroughs, so it makes sense to list them under the boroughs. There has been a rash of editors recreating lists against each settlement, and adding this link is to forestall such duplication.

Your mileage may differ, and that's fine too. Perhaps you could expand on your reasoning - in which case, I might even change my mind. Cheers. Kbthompson 14:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

My reason for removing it is that it seemed overkill to do that for one topic. The infobox lists the borough and links to the borough's article - and the borough is the LEA. (In other parts of the country the County Council is the LEA, but either way each infobox will already show a clear link to the LEA). If you start adding that text for education, then you'll end up withother people doing similar links for health services, police. The article will simply be full of clutter that infoboxes were designed to help remove. (It's also relevant that TL is a street rather than a settlement...) DrFrench 14:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I appreciate the reasoning. I've only done it for some boroughs, normally where I see editors adding single schools - or entire groups. For some reason, Haringey was next on the radar. There certainly should be an education list in the borough page, I hope you'll agree. The main problem seems to occur when (say) Hackney Central (name changed to actually prevent the occurrence) is confused with the boro' and somebody knocks in a list that lacks geographic focus. In London, the LEA is not necessarily the borough, but it will certainly follow boro' boundaries.

I shall now think about the matter further. Funny, I always regard Turnpike Lane as a district, not just a tube station, or a street ... All the best Kbthompson 14:49, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Michael McDowell

Hi I notice you edited out my contribution to the infobox on the MMcD page. I contend that Mr. Mc Dowell ceased to be a TD along with 165 of the 166 members of Dail Eireann when the Dail was disolved on 29th April. Only one TD continued in office between this time and the election on 24th May, the Ceann Comhairle or Speaker who is elected automatically. The 15 members of the government (cabinet) continue in office until the election of their successors most likely on the first day of the new Dail 14th June. Therefore it is my contention that Mr. McDowell ceased to be a TD on 29th April and continues to be a Minister until some date in teh future most probably 14th June. I know this may sound petty but it is technically the way the system of government is continued in Ireland during an election. I hope you understand my position. Rigger30 14:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi thanks for your comment. I appreciate your general agreement with my point. I was viewing it from the point of informing those who might consult wikipedia as an educatinal tool. However I also accept that it is necessary to have consistency on such issues. It is debatable which should win out consistency or technical correctness. I myself would tend to err towards correctness where possible however I accept that this could be difficult to achieve accross a large number of articles. Rigger30 17:13, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, regarding the timing of Mr McDowell's resignation from public life speech, it was actually before the official announcement that he had lost his seat. I think this is a relevant point. Furthermore, the version of events to which you have reverted is factually incorrect. User:Geraldkelly 23:49, 5 June 2007 (BST)

poor editing

Sorry for the poor editing on the disused tunnel page, also note I've had time to read the wiki rules and you were correct about entering you own site. No hard feelings I hope. regards Rob

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Station stubs & categories

Hi, you probably want to read this discussion. Thanks, --RFBailey 14:14, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

meetup

Being a wikipedian in Tyne and Wear, being near Sunderland. You may be intrested in Wikipedia:meetup/Sunderland. Help arrange some plans!. 217.43.213.72 21:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Clarkson "facebook trivia"

Hi. I don't want to revert because I don't feel strongly enough about. I would just like to say I have seen several such references on the internet and the "drive" to make him to PM (however jokingly) made it to my local radio station (in Belfast). No matter how you guage that I would classify it as notable. What do you think? Mark83 21:24, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

A one-off semi-'humourous' story that makes it to the newswires doesn't count as notability in my book. Who will remember it in a few week's time? In an article about the 'Facebook phenomenum', maybe it deserves a mention - but 1100 characters in this article? DrFrench 22:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Sale of Goods Act

I guess I am looking for advice on what to do with the page Sale of Goods Act. Basically the page name is ambigious, and currently refers only to the UK (or is it GB) sale of good act. An act of exactly the same name is also used in NZ.

Ideas?

Some other problem Acts:

• Immigration Restriction Act
• Race Relations Act

NevilleDNZ 04:58, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikilinking of dates in Michael McDowell

Hi, would you please stop linking the months and years in Michael McDowell's article, it's a common mistake. Do not use WP:Consenus to justify your POV. In fact you are in breach of the 3RR rule. regards, Snappy56 08:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, although winning the coveted 'Lamest edit war ever' prize would be great, I'd rather not!

Secondly, as I'm rapidly losing interest in this, you can go ahead and link in irrelevant years + months, I don't care anymore.

Thirdly, the consensus is actually the way it is done at the moment. I edit a lot if biographical atricle (Irish politics) and only full dates are linked, years only or years + months are not. Check out Bertie Ahern to see what I mean. Changing this common approach for one article is a breach of the established consensus. This consensus has been established by many different editors or several years. As recent comer to Wikipedia (January 2007 it appears), you are coming in and dogmatically imposing your POV, this is not a good approach, Regards Snappy56 10:59, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Snappy56 I would remined you of WP:BITE, and WP:CIVIL. Your approach is also not good. Canterberry 11:07, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Éire

Another Éire related issue. In this diff the bot corrected the spelling of a press release title. However that was how it is spelt in the press release, I think the citation should accurately reflect the spelling in the press release. DrFrench 12:35, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. You're probably right, so I've made a note of it so my bot won't try to correct it again. Cheers, CmdrObot 14:04, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

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Tynemouth Metro station

Doctor,

Yes it is obvious to you and me but not everyone in the world knows where Tynemouth is. This is why i put what town, what county and what country the station is.

Ta.

--Whohe! (talk) 19:23, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Newcastle Central

I'd have to disgagree. It doesn't impose too much on the paragraph and such an important piece if information should come in that place. Such is the case with other stations such as Derby Midland and Newport. WL (talk) 15:45, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Essex Road

Sorry, I assumed the T+W stations were subsurface, I stand corrected. But are the trains actually the same loading gauge as NR trains? I thought they were narrower.

So that makes:

Twin large tube tunnels only:

• Haymarket
• Monument
• Essex Road

Twin large tubes plus small tube train services:

• Heathrow Central (I guess technically the same as Terminals 1,2,3, as they are interconnected by subways)
• Heathrow Terminal 4 (T5 platforms are subsurface)
• Old Street

Single large tube plus surface/subsurface platforms:

• Lime Street
• Moorfields
• Liverpool Central

Are there any others that I missed out? I assume there aren't any in West Midlands/Manchester/Sheffield/Nottingham etc. best, Sunil060902 (talk) 11:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your response! Much appreciated! Would you know anything more about the Merseyrail stations? I'm just going by the text and pics here on Wiki. best, Sunil060902 (talk) 00:14, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

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