Talk:Mark Twain

Date Type: Please Fix

In the passage on pacifism, it states that an article of his was republished for Vietnam War soldiers in "1923." This should clearly be 1973. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.81.111.134 (talk) 22:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Travel and stay in India

So, it is not surprising to find no mention of Twain's travel and stay in (and love for) India in the article. He was probably the biggest Indophile who ever lived, Albert Einstein and Will Durant included. I seem to remember he clearly mentioned his stay in Bombay ("the mere glimpse of Indian life") as one of the most rewarding experiences of his life in Following the Equator. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.141.43.113 (talk) 18:50, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Pen Name Origin

I saw on the History Channel's expose on Mississippi that Sam Clemens was a river boat captain on the Mississippi River and that when you measure the river's depth, it was called twaining. And marking twain is when you note the river's depth or number of fathoms. Not sure how to cite this, hoping someone else could, ha. 69.37.166.38 17:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I added a brief paragraph with citations regarding alternate potential origins of the "Mark Twain" name that includes some scholarly and biographical research. I'm not sure whether or not this should be it's own section/sub-section, but I think it's compelling (factually, not just from an interest standpoint) especially considering the fact that Twain was a fiction author given to making up facts and stories, even in his non-fiction reporting. In any event, I tried to be as thorough and correctly-formatted as possible, but I wanted to raise the issue here. How do we deal with authors or those who have written autobiographies and their accounts of events and squaring this with neutral articles, especially now that the person is long-deceased? mostlymuppet

Family Life

I think that the last paragraph from the "Life as a Writer" section should be deleted and a separate section discussing his marriage and family created. Something should be done with the last paragraph as it does not fit with the rest of the information and is out of chronological order. Any other thoughts? Windmillchaser 05:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Life as a writer quote

In this section we have the quote

"This book is a record of a pleasure trip. If it were a record of a solemn scientific expedition it would have about it the gravity, that profundity, and that impressive incomprehensibility which are so proper to works of that kind, and withal so attractive. Yet not withstanding it is only a record of a picnic, it has a purpose, which is, to suggest to the reader how he would be likely to see Europe and the East if he looked at them with his own eyes instead of the eyes of those who traveled in those countries before him. I make small pretense of showing anyone how he ought to look at objects of interest beyond the sea – other books do that, and therefore, even if I were competent to do it, there is no need."

I really don't see what this quote adds to the material and recommend it be deleted. --Ideogram 01:00, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

GA ON HOLD

I have placed this GA candidate on hold for the following:

• There is one {{citation needed}} in the text.
• A few more inline citations are needed in the middle
• The cleanup tag near the end of the article needs to be dealt with.

Also Consider:

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is well written.

   a (prose): b (structure): c (MoS): d (jargon):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (inline citations): c (reliable): d (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   a (fair representation): b (all significant views):

5. It is stable.

   

6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.

   a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):

Hope to see this a good article soon.--Natl1 (Talk Page) (Contribs) 12:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Dislike of Rail?

I'm curious about the statement that he disliked railroads, as I was just reading a sketch of his last night in favor of them, arguing that in bed asleep was a much more dangerous place to be. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.246.144.133 (talk) 04:54, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

Samuel Clemens vs. Mark Twain

Wouldn't this article be better under the name "Samuel Clemens" with Mark Twain as a redirect? After all, Mark Twain was only his pen name, and Samuel Clemens his real name. It would make more sense that way. 'WiiWillieWiki^{(Talk) (Contributions)} 15:51, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

See my comment on the talk page of Lewis Carroll where you make a similar comment today about that author. I think the same points apply here (apart from a point about you spelling his real name incorrectly.)  DDStretch  (talk) 17:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I think we have had this debate before. And, if I recall correctly, the most commonly used name was our choice. Vaoverland 20:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

GA Failed

It's been in excess of the 7 day maximum that the GA nomination was put on-hold and issues relating to the original reviewer's comments still exist. Specifically, citations are still needed in the 'Youth' section. Further, the 'Career' section at the end still requires clean-up and maintenance. Also I'd take into consideration the goals set out at the top of this page, specifically "Leads needs to be expanded per WP:LEAD and summarize the whole article --plange 16:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)"

Citations alone fail the article (see WP:WIAGA), though do take into consideration the recommendations given by myself and the other reviewer Natl1. Try again at a later date when all issues are addressed. Cheers. Nja247 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

The Mysterious Stranger

There is much misinformation and confusion regarding this novel. The article in its current form says that 44 is Satan. This is untrue. Mark Twain's biographer Albert Bigelow Paine released a false novel under Twain's name called "The Mysterious Stranger". This novel was a compilation of the 3 drafts Twain had written, relying on mostly the first and not final draft. Paine also deleted a large sum of the work, added a character, and changed the ending of the novel. The final draft only was not realeased by itself until 1969 by the Mark Twain Library and is titled "No. 44, the Mysterious Stranger". It is a very different novel than the version starring Satan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.58.2.25 (talk) 00:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC).

'The report of my death is an exaggeration'

I've somewhat rewritten this bit to correct the quote itself and some common misconceptions about the circumstances (e.g. no obituary was published). For more details see the Twain entry in List of premature obituaries and the references it cites, which give a full account. Ben Finn 14:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Religious Beliefs

The article says : "Twain was critical of organized religion and certain elements of the Christian religion through most of the end of his life, though he never renounced Presbyterianism[19]" This suggests that he retained a core belief in Christianity/presbyterianism, however on looking at the citation given this opinion is based on an early piece of writing (1866)and its difficult to reconcile later quotations with any such beliefs. Unless a proper citation is given that clearly confirms the suggestion then it should be deleted. 82.40.71.124 19:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I thought he was being irreverent and sarcastic when he was talking about Presbyterianism and its dogmas, specifically infant damnation. Anyway, I'm not sure if he renounced belief in God (it says here that he was a deist) but he certainly renounced belief in an afterlife. I'm not even sure he renounced belief in the supernatural. He wasn't close-minded about mysticism and supernaturalism, anyway. --Onias 20:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

The citation (The Religious Affiliation Mark Twain celebrated American author) does not at all support the statement: "Twain was critical of organized religion and certain elements of the Christian religion through most of the end of his life, though he never renounced Presbyterianism". At most it proves that (1) he grew up Presbytarian and (2) that he was very critical of it. I am going to delete the sentence. --Siener 07:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

You should add a cite needed tag instead of deleting the sentence. It is well-known that Mark Twain was very critical of organized religion in his later years. Read "Letters from the Earth" and you will see it is true. Someone will find another reference for the sentence. If you want to delete the part about "though he never renounced Presbyterianism" because it implies hypocrisy, go ahead, but the first part of the sentence is very very true.--Paul 14:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

"Citation needed" in Pen Names section

The reference should be:

THE ADVENTURES OF THOMAS JEFFERSON SNODGRASS Pascal Covici, 1928, Chicago

Would someone who chooses to edit under an account please add this?

Thanks.

"Mark Twain went strait fiction with Joan of Arc"

This is untrue. Joan of Arc is factual, and this should be fixed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.246.99.186 (talk) 01:50, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

Random changes in name

Yeah, okay, I get the "using the most common name as the title" thing. That's cool. But is it too much trouble to use the same name (Twain vs. Clemens) throughout the WHOLE article, instead of randomly flopping about?67.142.130.24 04:02, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

The Great American Novel

The citation for this claim leads to a list made by a random Amazon.com reviewer. That's terrible. There are plenty of credible sites and reviewers out there who have claimed that Huckleberry Finn is the Great American Novel. Use one of them; not this random Amazon.com review. That's totally illegitimate. 72.130.89.63 02:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)Anonymous

I totally agree. I've changed the reference to a page at americaslibrary.gov (a site maintained by the Library of Congress). Adam McMaster 08:24, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Angina pectoris does not cause death

Angina pectoris is the description of a characteristic central chest pain caused by arteriosclerosis or blockage of the coronary arteries.

So the correct cause of death should be "heart infarct" or, simpler, "heart attack" ("...died of a heart attack on April...")

Twain v. the French

Twain's writing contains some notable (and hilarious) digs on the French. Does anyone know what gave him this attitude?

Hortas 11:05, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I have a missing citation: under Youth, where it cites the income for a river pilot as $250, this can be found in "Life on the Mississppi" by Mark Twain, chapter 15. Hwrite 22:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

"Another brother, Pleasant (1828–1829), only lived three months before Samuel was born" Isn't the gestation period in humans 40 weeks?

newpaper article/obituary

I have transcribed an obituary on Wikisource: s:The San Francisco Call/Mark Twain Called by Death that may be of use for this article. John Vandenberg 06:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Removed

"Samuel Clemens was color blind, a condition that fueled his witty banter in the social circles of the day." I cut this because it really doesn't make any sense to me at all (are color blindness and wit somehow connected? Did he famously make remarks about color blindness?) and is unsourced. Dina 20:56, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Protect?

The level of idiocy in recent days has probably reached the protection status. What do you reckon?--Svetovid 18:53, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

proposed new external link

I would also like to add a link:

• Nevada Writers Hall of Fame

( Because Mark Twain was inducted into the Nevada Writers Hall of Fame in 1998, based on his journalist career in Virginia City, Nevada, with the Territorial Enterprise newspaper, etc.. We do not attempt to provide a biographical sketch or formal bibliography for him. However, his Webpage provides an automatic search of the University of Nevada, Reno Library's collection for materials by and about him.) - Betty Glass, Special Collections Librarian, Special Collections & Archives Dept., University of Nevada, Reno Libraries —Preceding unsigned comment added by Epona2 (talk • contribs) 00:02, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to add a link like:

• Free to read on a cell phone - Twain works.

to the External Links:Works section. This links to a list of Twain works that you can download to read on a cell phone. I have read quite a few from this site and got a lot of value out being able to read the PD texts away from the PC.

The texts are Public Domain in the US, just like Project Gutenberg, they are packaged with the reader and available under a creative commons licence (share if (attribution, non-commercial, no derivative) ). The site is non-commercial without registration, subscription, or advertising. The texts as packaged together with the reader as a java program that runs on cell phones, this is a way for people to access the authors work that adds to the range in the existing external links (hopefully translating to more reading going on).

I checked WP:EL and the link seems appropriate:

• What should be linked: '...should link to a site hosting a copy of the work if none of the "Links normally to be avoided" criteria apply.'
• Links normally to be avoided: it seems only #8 might apply; 'Direct links to documents that require external applications (such as Flash or Java) to view the relevant content...'. The site lets you download java programs that only run on a J2ME environment, this means most/all current cell phones. So although they are limited to being read on a phone they do add an access method to all the others in the existing External Links, in the same way that LibriVox adds a format but requires an mp3 player.

Filomath 00:55, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

That's some horrible web design, but it seems like a good source to link to.--Svetovid 12:39, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Reversion of redirect

The page was redirected earlier to Samuel Langhorn Clemens which redirects to Mark Twain etc. I don't see consensus on this talk page for a page move to the alternate title (and in fact, the page was not moved.) I reverted the edit to restore the content of the article (although I apologize, I didn't mean to call it vandalism -- I'm not sure what it was!). --Darkwind (talk) 00:52, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

You beat me to it seemingly by milliseconds ;). The whole entry was copied and pasted to Samuel Langhorne Clemens (not the lack of an "e" so the redirect didn't point there - instead it was a weird circular redirect pointing at itself. Even if you were going to move an entry (after gaining a consensus) you wouldn't do it like that. So even if it was just ham-fisted editing it was bordering on vandalism anyway and needed reverting. (Emperor 00:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC))

Presumably is said elsewhere, but worth saying here in case, and in any case: By far best known as Mark Twain; other versions of his name must redirect here.

Elmira and Hartford

I removed

He sold his stake in the newspaper and moved to Elmira, New York in 1871.

(which is unsourced) based on reliable info that either contradicts it, or makes his Elmira sojourn apparently insignificant trivia.
--Jerzy•t 20:05, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Socialist?

Mark Twain was also a support of socialist ideas and had sympathies with American socialist parties.

There is no citation for this reference. If nothing is provided to support this I will delete it.--Kibbled bits 21:25, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Massive reversion and unreversion

I have put a lot of work into reorganising this article and adding reference. This was all reverted, and then, with an apology in the edit summary, (mostly or entirely) unreverted. Please ould you explain your intentions or specific objections. BrainyBabe 13:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I would like to apologise for that. It was an accident which should never have happened, due to a couple of scripting errors on my part. I believe that it should all have been restored to before my original reversion, and if there's anything lost there, which there shouldn't be, then I apologise in advance for any time wasted and any inconvenience caused. I don't have any objections to any of the edits - it was a small error in script which led to this.----JamesSugrono^U|C 07:07, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

In a way I have been surprised not to have had any comments or (principled) objections to some of my quite large decisions, which I would have welcomed, but I wasn't prepared for wholesale deletion of my work, and thought that an avid fan of the great man, without much knowledge of WP, had decided I was too uppity. Apology accepted. BrainyBabe 22:09, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Progressive

Part of this sentence perplexes me. "Although some aspects of his life were not progressive (for example, he remained neutral during the Civil War and participated in a silver rush in Nevada), as he grew older he grew more radical."

Can anyone give me a convincing explanation as to why participating in a Nevada silver rush would have anything to do with being progressive, or not being progressive? If not, I'll delete it. Marieblasdell 18:07, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree it doesn't sound quite right, and I am probably the culprit. The sentence previous to my large-scale changes read

Although Twain remained neutral during the Civil War and participated in a silver rush in Nevada, later in life he wrote glowingly about unions in the river boating industry in Mississippi in Life on the Mississippi, which was read in union halls decades later

which doesn't really hang together either. Suggestions? Or just go ahead and delete the silver rush reference. BrainyBabe 19:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Political and religious views

I've done some revision on the political and religious views section. I've changed Clemens to Twain, took out the references to socialism and the silver rush, a weasel sentence in the beginning as well as some minor grammatical changes. However, I think this whole section needs a lot overhaul. One thing in particular is that most of the references in the section seem to come a single source, an article in the International Socialist Review. A lot of the different sections need to be expanded anyway but it worries me that so much of this section seems to be drawn from one source. Windmillchaser 15:28, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I've just seen this, and if I had spotted it sooner, would have replied here before making my recent change, sorry. Clemens/Twain: as someone else said, consistency is the most important issue; I'll let others argue which name to use. Silver rush: see above. Socialism: I think it is justified, eg his speech to the unions, but will not pursue it without further sources. Helen Keller: I guess this is what you refered to as a weasel sentence. I would regard it as historical context; I am not asserting any other link between them, or conspiracy of silence or anything. Single source: yes, but it is a very academic one, and draws on multiple sources itself, many of which are quoted verbatim, so it's pretty directly back to Twain's words and views. Hope this answers your points. Sorry again for not seeing this first. By the way, another time you may wish to raise the issues on a talk page before deleting --it's not necessary, but some editors prefer to hash out potentially controversial changes behind the scenes, as it were. Others say, [[be bold]! BrainyBabe 22:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

The name Twain/Clemens debate should be solved, but until then I felt we should go with the name of the article. Certainly, we should avoid calling him Samuel. The reason I don't think the socialism comment is justified is that being anti-capitalist and pro-union does not automatically make one a socialist. He might be sympathetic towards socialism based on these comments, but they do not form a clear link between the two ideas. I understand about the Keller sentence, though something about it still seems off to me. I'll see if I can't think of a new wording as you're correct in saying it provides some historical context. I think my problem is the phrase "neutralized by history". While I don't disagree that his political and social critiques aren't well know, the phrase makes it sound like there was an active attempt to suppress his views. Windmillchaser 03:50, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd be happy to work out an agreeable Keller sentence here. My phrase "neutralised by history" was not meant to suggest "neutralised by historians" (an active attempt) but a reflection on the passing of time, along the lines of "forgotten by the twentieth century", "unknown in Des Moines", etc.BrainyBabe 07:10, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

A Murder, a Mystery, and a Marriage

"Reflections on religion"

Why this book is not mentionned ? It's an interesting book of him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.48.186.156 (talk) 17:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Please be bold and add the information to the list of his works at the end of the article. You would need the full title and date of first publication as a minimum, and preferably the publisher and number of pages. BrainyBabe 06:29, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Pen name

I read in my school textbook that the name comes from the term, "On the mark, twain." Unfortunately that was about three years ago. If someone can find a cite for this fact, I'm sure it would answer the question, "Why did this guy choose that name?" hbdragon88 22:50, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Someone can easily find a reference ('google "mark twain" depth' finds 3 references in the first 3 hits) - odd that it's not in the article. I recall reading that it referred to one of the boatmen taking soundings (measuring depth), the second mark on the line (twain means two) meant that it was deep enough for smooth running - no obstructions Tedickey 22:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

It's in there, though well down the page in Sec 7 "Pen Names". And yes, you are correct in the origin. :) Arakunem^Talk 20:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Small Mistakes

Someone should switch "the right thing to do" to "to do the right thing" in talking about The Adventures of Huck Finn.129.120.244.97 13:06, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Reference [57] should probably be moved to the page A Murder, a Mystery, and a Marriage Rknasc 19:59, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Missing Works

Letter from Hawaii —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.200.150.120 (talk) 15:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Susy details?

Anybody know when Susy was born and died? --Ragemanchoo (talk) 06:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Bibliography

There is a section in this article titled "Bibliography". I think that it might be misnamed. My understanding is that a bibliography is a list of the sources from which information was obtained for the article. But this is a list of Twain's writings. Can someone wither correct me, or retitle the section, please. Thanks. --Keeves (talk) 13:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The term "Bibliography" literally means a list of books. For research works, this is commonly a list of references. However, it is quite proper, and common, to use the term to reference the list of an author's works. For online examples, see: http://www.themodernword.com/pynchon/pynchon_biblio.html http://www.brautigan.net/ http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0871800.html http://www.joycebiblio.org/ Rknasc (talk) 15:26, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks! --Keeves (talk) 03:14, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Prince and Pauper

I'm no expert on Mark Twain, but it seems very strange under the section "Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn" to say that the Prince and the Pauper was Twain's first attempt at fiction, and blame its poor reception on his inexperience at writing fiction, when it was apparently written 5 years after Tom Sawyer, according to the linked articles.151.204.79.230 (talk) 16:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC) Tony Rothman

Pessimism

In later life, he was deeply pessimistic, as one would be who has seen much of life. A copy of the 1892 edition of The Essays of Arthur Schopenhauer was in his personal library. Are there any indications that Schopenhauer influenced Twain?Lestrade (talk) 01:03, 9 February 2008 (UTC)Lestrade

Career Overview

The inclusion of 1601 as one of only two works quoted in this section seem silly. I can think of dozens of his writings that are more important. I have removed it.

POV-pushing

User:Dale-DCX had made edits to various articles that changed the wording "...is an American..." to "...is a...from the United States of America". This sounds very stilted. The user claims that he's disambiguating "American" with other states on the American continent, but this argument is specious. The word "American" in the article already wikilinked to the United States article, so there's no chance of confusion, and as far as I'm aware no citizen of any other country call themselves "American" in normal discourse. They call themselves Canadian, Mexican, Venezuelan, Brazilian, Costa Rican, Argentine, etc. DHN (talk) 21:06, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

You really are not getting it are you? I never mentioned citizens of countries state themselves as American. I stated anyone or anything from America (continent(s)) is American. Nothing to do with individual states. Just as a Briton is a European, a Mexican is an American. No Mexican is going to claim they are from a different continent than America, well, unless they have no clue what continent they are on.

The Wikilink may go to the United States of America, but at face-value it is not clear if Mark Twain is a citizen of the United States of America, or a person from America. Dale-DCX (talk) 21:12, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Ida thunk that this question was thrashed out long ago, but I can't find anything. If Dale really wants to change this, he'll probably have to change 5,000 other articles as well, so why not go through some sort of process? Both POVs are understandable to me, but they are both POVs. As I said, I can't find anything in the rule books. Why not start out with Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (biographies) and see where they send you? Remember WP:AGF Smallbones (talk) 22:29, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I would be more than willing to change all of the articles with this ambiguous element. Well, with some help of course. I should think there is no POV here whatsoever. Just wanting to make things as clear as possible. Dale-DCX (talk) 07:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Legacy

Samuel Clemens High School in Scertz, TX is also named after this author. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.248.129.126 (talk) 16:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Freemasonry

First of all the citation listed as a 'reference' for his freemasonry is an *original research paper* that is disallowed on wikipedia. Also, if one goes to that page, even the author says: "No paper or biography about this Missouri Freemason would be complete without one of Mark Twain's famous stories. Here is one -- truth or fiction -- you be the judge."

And the second reference is some site dedicated to Freemasonry (hardly neutral on the matter).

So I ask that someone look into this.

cheers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.201.30 (talk) 07:36, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, about you comment regarding the second citation. That's actually a webpage run by the Freemasons. If one were to cite the US Government's own webpage listing a man by the name of James Garfield as being the 20th President of the United States, would you claim the page is biased since it's not from a neutral source on the matter? Who would be a neutral source? The webpage of the government of another nation? If so, where did they get their information? Some old documentation from the US Government? Oh, but that's not a neutral source is it? Primary sources aren't meant to be neutral. Granted, the Freemasons have this whole reputation - whether it's deserved or not - for secrecy and deception. So why would one believe one of their web pages? Well, quite simply because they ARE the primary source for such matters. Anything else is likely to be original research, short of finding some kind of correspondence from Mark Twain mentioning it. Oh but then Mark Twain isn't a neutral source, since he was involved and is therefore biased on the subject. 24.254.163.150 (talk) 06:40, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Ranks as a FreeMason

The article states that he was initiated into Free Masonry on May 22nd, 1861 and became as Master Mason on July 10th, 1861... Are we really to believe that he went from initiate to master in just under 3 weeks? Seems a little far fetched... I'm not debating that he wasn't a Mason or that he attained those ranks, just I find the time frame of 19 days to be a tad suspicious. 24.254.163.150 (talk) 06:25, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Vegetarianism?

Does anyone have any citations that back up the assertion that Twain was vegetarian? Citation #54 under "Vivisection and vegetarianism" only mentions his opposition to vivisection, not to eating meat. I've read several biographies, etc. of Twain, and none mention vegetarianism--while it wouldn't be wholly out of character for him, it does seem a bit radical.Edgbeatles (talk) 19:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

In Twain's letters he writes to his friends and family about meals taken with famous personages and in tale-worthy locations where he's eating all manner of meats including tripe, beefsteak, sausage, bacon and probably more I haven't yet found. It's certainly enough to allow us to delete the word vegetarian from this article. Binksternet (talk) 21:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Mysterious Stranger

I think the two mentions of the Mysterious Stranger could be improved by removing the descriptive clauses attached to them. In the first instance--"Of these works, The Mysterious Stranger, which places the presence of Satan, also known as “No. 44,” in various situations where the moral sense of humankind is absent, is perhaps the best known."-- the clauses describing the book are confusing in their vagueness and clumsiness. But more importantly, saying that Satan exists "in various situations where the moral sense of humankind is absent" is not quite true. For one, it leads to reader to believe that this is THE Satan, and not his nephew, and more importantly in the novel it is not the absence of "moral sense" that is the problem, it is the presence. That is, throughout the work, Satan discusses the problematic nature of morality by demonstrating how its presence leads to undesirable consequences. In the Second instance--"The anti-religious The Mysterious Stranger was published in 1916, although there is some scholarly debate as to whether Twain actually wrote the most familiar version of this story"--the claim that scholars debate whether or not Twain wrote the piece, is false, though it is clear what the author meant to say. The debate does not concern whether or not he wrote the material, but how it was edited from the three manuscripts. No one doubts he wrote the material; it is merely a question of the nature of the editing process. This would be a trivial concern, except that as the sentence reads (within the context of the paragraph on his religious views) it implies that the doubt of authorship might counteract the work's anti-religious contents, that such contents are from another source. That is not true; and, moreover, such anti-religious sentiments are consistent with much of his work, especially his later writings. So, I think those two sentences should be changed. It would not be hard to do; simply remove the descriptive clauses and the sentences work fine. I am not allowed to do so as the page is semi-protected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.81.84.43 (talk) 01:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Racism

What about his racism ? See s:Roughing It/Chapter XIX. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.193.70.190 (talk) 13:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

What about it?