User talk:Hurmata

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Hello

Hello, Hurmata! I see your edits all over the place and wanted to thank you for your contributions, especially in the area of African languages and linguistics. I also thought you might be interested in the Africa-related regional notice board; and probably in WikiProject Countering Systemic Bias (and its linguistic department WP:LPOV) too.

Happy editing, and see you around, — mark ✎ 08:47, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Please check Talk:Arabic influence on the Spanish language‎

Not much more to add. Have a nice day Drmaik 06:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

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{helpme}

• Hello Hurmata. Do you need help with something? --KFP (talk | contribs) 00:12, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

The e-mail address you have set for your Wikipedia account is not shown to other users. Also, if you uncheck the "enable e-mail from other users" box in your preferences, other people will not be able to send you mail using Wikipedia's "E-mail this user" function. I think you can safely nominate the article for deletion while logged in. However, if you still want to do it while not logged in, let me know. --KFP (talk | contribs) 01:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Mauldin

You might want to review your reasons for nominating this article for deletion, since the fact that he's sent you spam is neither here nor there in terms of whether he should have an article on Wikipedia. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I've responded on my Talk page, which is probably the best place to keep this discussion since it's already quite long. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 21:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

History of Portugal

Hi. Discussion is mostly the best way to resolve disagreements over editing. In this case it may be difficult to get in contact with the editor in question as he/she is editing anonymously, but Talk:History of Portugal is a good place to post concerns (as you already did). An alternative place is the IP's talk page at User talk:213.22.20.21 but messages left there may be received by someone else than the intended recipient. I also encourage you to be bold in improving the article and fixing errors there. Cheers, --KFP (talk | contribs) 16:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Help Me 1

Do you have a question? Real96 06:25, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi, this is Hurmata. At Governorates_of_Egypt, the text that's supposed to follow (append to) the table instead wraps around it, to its left. What markup language will achieve the desired effect? Hurmata 07:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC) P.S. Do we carry out this exchange on my talk page or yours? Hurmata 07:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Fixed formatting on the page. And, I would generally respond here, but at the moment, I was busy with other items. Real96 07:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

RE:unfair use of VP

What I saw in VP was an edit with many new internal links many of which made no sense or gave a red link. I did warn the user by using a level one warning, telling them to stop and use the sandbox for testing. Feel free to contact me on my talkpage if you would like me to elaborate further. --ROASTYTOAST 21:56, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

bill ayers

I had a long discussion with Wikidemo about that edit. It was extremely watered down from its original form, it was sourced and it was informative. First it tells the reader what ayers is doing presently. It then says what the organization represents, I am surprised by the way that you find the word leftist non-neutral. I know there are some of you who don’t believe in “labels” and think being called a liberal is a dirty word but that exists in your own mind. The Nolan chart is a tool recognized in political science and certain philoisphies do fall under a “label”. The woods fund is a leftist organization, so it believes in things advocated by the liberals, like ending the war in iraq or having socialized medicare, debatable issues, and regardless of what side of the aisle you are in, it is not slanderous to have the ideology of liberalism associated with a persons biography. Your watered down version even takes away what the organization stands for, william ayers I believe would be proud of his beliefs and for you to suggest they are slanderous to a persons biography truly puzzles me.

The obama mention serves the purpose of promoting the prestige of the woods fund. To say who a person worked with, especially prominent people is also not slanderous or part of attack politics. My information was sourced, and the article I used had some truly slanderous things on obama which was not put in this article.

Please stop with this over protection of obama and the charge of non-neutrality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.130.90.42 (talk) 23:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Tintagel

Hi, I agree with your change to the IPA here [1], but agile doesn't rhyme with Tintagel to British ears! DuncanHill (talk) 02:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Hyphenation

Hello Hurmata. Thanks for your improvements at cladistics. I'm just not sure about hyphen changes in general. That could be one of the things like British versus American spelling where the first mover's choice ought to be left undisturbed. (Otherwise there is some risk of silly revert wars; not here, of course, but elsewhere). I'm curious if you can justify any of these particular changes from the language of WP:MOS#Hyphens. Arbitrarily-deep seems OK to me, though you could also write it as two words. EdJohnston (talk) 02:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Habermas

I've put up my summary of The Theory of Communicative Action. I don't know how well it will survive ... Thanks for suggesting it! Szczels (talk) 20:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Edit Summaries

If you check my edit contributions you'll see that 99.5% of them have good descriptions. For that particular edit I simply hit Enter too early by mistake. The correct reason would have been per WP:EL. --NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 13:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Jaworzno

Hay, why did you change this page? The last was better than this new version. PawJaw (talk) 10:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Help Me 2

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Help 3

Hello, you used the {{helpme}} tag. How may I help you? When you've asked your question, please put the tag back so we know to check back. Alternatively, you can join the #wikipedia-en-help IRC channel to get real-time help. (Click here for instant access.) Please quit using the {{helpme}} template unless you actually have a question. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 00:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

• Unfortunately, I don't think I can help you. I'm horrible at dispute resolution. It might be a good idea to take this to the administrator's noticeboard. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 00:50, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

• Putting the tag back means placing a {{helpme}} back on so that you can let others know that you need help. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 01:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

• Okay, that's good to know. I try to help when I can. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 01:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

About proofreader tag

{{helpme}} Note: please do not ask me to communicate with you by chat. I do not have access to chat.

MY PROBLEM IS THIS: Proofreader tags for German to English and French to English that I posted to my user page just hours ago have been automatically deleted. Could you direct me to the pages that would explain this? Thank you.

If you don't have chat, go here, select under the server thing Freenode.net , and enter the channel #wikipedia-en-help. That'll give you instant chat, no software needed. BoL (Talk) 04:30, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Were these posted to your user page? I don't see any edits to your user page since April 14[2]. Is it possible you previewed these changes and forgot to save them? (I've done it before) I can't imagine any reason someone would delete proofreader tags. Stardust8212 04:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I see no deleted edits, nothing to indicate that those templates were removed by someone else. I would guess that it's just a matter of not having clicked "Save page". Just go ahead and re-add them if you wish. Also, I've fixed the layout of your Babel box so that there isn't that annoying "{{User " bit in there. To add additional Proofreader templates, just place them immediately after the first Proofreader, without any vertical bars or other symbols. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 09:34, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the grammar and spelling

Hi Hurmata! Thanks for fixing the grammar and spelling in Template:Tmbox/doc. You gave me a good laugh with your edit comment:

"Past tense of "lead" was misspelled. Since ca. 2000 I have noticed that this mistake (inspired by "read") has become endemic in the USA."

I wrote that documentation. English is only my second language since I live in Sweden, Europe. :))

--David Göthberg (talk) 22:08, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

What or who were you laughing at? If you were laughing at young Americans -- college graduates even -- who aren't learning all they should, then your laughter was justified. If you were laughing at me, well, my comment and the fact of your foreignness are logically compatible. In fact, there's a strong possibility that you made your mistake out of reasonable emulation of texts written by young Americans. Hurmata (talk) 02:33, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Nah, I just found it funny that your comment sounded like you thought I live in the US. And I don't think it was a case of "emulation", rather just that I as a non-native writer of English have lots of problems with English spelling since the same sounds can be spelled in so many different ways in English.

Anyway, the important part of the message is that it was good that you corrected the text.

--David Göthberg (talk) 04:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Kant

The Kant article is a mess. If you need immediate help with his philosophy I highly recommend that you get a copy, somehow, of Gottfried Martin's Kant's Metaphysics and Theory of Science. It was originally written in German, so you have a double shot at finding a copy. It's out of print, unfortunately. Sometimes the best things get ignored. P0M (talk) 00:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Charlie Crist

I have rolled back all of your edits because you are not wikifying the references, you are making them totally useless. To wikify them, use the {{cite web}} or {{cite news}} templates, not a simple publication/date format. Using the templates preserves links, the name of the article, the publication in which it appeared, the date it appeared, the author of the article, and the date it was retrieved (which can sometimes assist in locating a cached version should the link stop working). I have no problems with your editorial changes (I agree with most of them), but breaking links is not helpful. Horologium (talk) 21:34, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

As an administrator, you have a greater responsibility than ordinary Wikipedians to acknowledge the actual deeds of those you are taking to task and to explain yourself fully. Your message to me is unfair to me. In saying "you are not wikifying the references, you are making them totally useless", you overstate your case and at the same time there appears to be some confusion in your use of words like "not" and "Wikify". In your next assertions, you show obliviousness to what I did, you do not genuinely make a case for the templates, PLUS you make a false complaint that I'm "breaking links". (I made links that work, but any rational person would interpret your complaint as saying the opposite.) This all makes me pessimistic about trying to discuss anything with you, but I must try.

I would suggest you distinguish between "the references" as a grouping versus as individual items. I am by definition Wikifying the body of citations when I apply an established Wikipedia treatment to them (in this case, WP:CITE). You being an administrator, your failure to acknowledge this is disconcerting. Your dissatisfaction was really with what I did with *individual* citations.

You did not acknowledge that the citations as I found them were a formatting hodgepodge, and you also were oblivious to the fact that my edits all do contain title, date, publication. You being an administrator, I find these faulty complaints all the more disconcerting. Most of the citations *didn't use* either of the two templates before I did my revisions; regardless of the use of templates, there was inconsistency with newspaper article citations as to including the reporter's name. By paradoxically accusing me of "breaking links" despite my having maintained links, you create confusion. I tested most of the links in my edits and in each case where a link wasn't already reported as dead, the link still took me to the article. You are so unfair.

You utterly fail to explain what the advantages of the two templates are. From your wording, you seem not to realize that all the information that can be contained in the templates can be provided without them. You also fail to address why a reporter's name should be stated, in the face of the reality that it is usually of no relevance in a *news report* citation. One gives an author's name for a book or an essay; or (often but not necessarily) for a *signed, opinion* piece if the source is a newspaper or magazine piece. Hurmata (talk) 02:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I apologize (profusely). Your decision to use separate notes and references section, which is perfectly acceptable, but not the usual format when dealing with non-technical subjects, resulted in my inappropriate reaction. I looked at the notes, and saw nothing but the publication and the date, with no references to article titles, authors, or weblinks. (They are in the references section, where they belong.) I was wrong, and I will strike the comments I left on the talk page of the article and apologize there as well. As I said, consistency is a good thing, and in this case, consistently applying a standard different from that with which I am familiar resulting in me making a fool of myself. Horologium (talk) 03:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. :) After I posted, I realized that I myself had flown off the handle. This incident is helping me dedicate myself to learning the vast array of Wikipedia techniques, which will hopefully lead to me functioning more smoothly as a Wikipedian. I have already started learning various Wiki consensus building procedures. E.g. in the Crist article, I issued an RfC about reporting "gay rumors". I'm becoming a believer in these kinds of procedures. And thanks in advance for "listening" to another lengthy comment. In the future, I will remind myself to communicate my reasons for things even more than I already do. Often I put "See Talk page" in my edit summaries and I put a comment, that's my practice when the edit looks to be contentious or when it touches on a complex topic. But now in addition I will train myself to discuss edits *before* I perform them. This will be arduous for me. ;)

It dawned on me what you might have been getting at -- as it turns out you were -- that there were no links *in the note list*. This led to it dawning on me that maybe you hadn't noticed the reference list. I never thought of this while composing the reply partly because your presentation was terse -- and partly because my mind was fogged with ire. The second lesson for me from this exchange has come out of your response, which shows readiness to meet people half way (which is an experience life rarely grants me, online or in person). It is the reinforcement that yes, it often does pay to try to open discussion with the person that has rubbed me the wrong way, instead of activating a grievance process. If there is any contributing fault on my part, that discussion is the best way to start to realize it.

I think I was emboldened to do my revisions by the inconsistency of the formatting. WP:CITE says words to the effect that, since citation formatting can be contentious, before altering a citation style in an article, it's best to seek consensus. In weeks to come, I am going to try to master the ideology of citation -- i.e., become proficient in comparing the merits of rival styles. The power of hyperlinking may yet convince me to put links in *both* note lists and reference lists. Hurmata (talk) 06:23, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Greetings from Mexico, kamerad

Hello there in USA. Excuse me for bothering, but I have one question for you. I'm translating (or at least, trying) the article Russian-Circassian War, and I'm close to finish it, but I have one problem: in this part specificly (Russian-Circassian War#The beginning of the end), there is one part where it says "In 1840 alone, the Russian estimate for artillery cartridge expenditure was 11,344, and for musket cartridges 1,206,575". All that is fine and I can understand the means of that quote, but what I don't know is what was that expenditure; it was in rubles, pesos, dollars, or what. Because not even in the reference quoted, it is specified what currency talks about.

Thanks, in advance, and see you later.--Ahabvader (talk) 02:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't say either. To change the subject, let me share with you my concern that the article is of low quality, mostly because it was badly researched and sourced. Indeed, this week I plan to revise it substantially, having done research to rectify the flaws. I have already expressed some of my objections on the article talk page, and if you study the article history for the last ten days or so (since it was chosen a Featured Article), you will see I have made big revisions already. Please hold off on posting your translation until I have made my revisions. Not only do I intend to improve the historical accuracy and bibliography support of the text, but I intend to propose the article be broken up and renamed. Much of it belongs in an existing article, "Caucasian War", and the remainder could be rewritten as an article whose theme is the mass expulsion of the Circassian and Abkhazian nations in the 1860s. If you yourself wish to contribute to changing the English Wikipedia article, I think that would be nice. Hurmata (talk) 22:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately kid (I'm 36), I am from Mexico (born in Uruapán, Michoacán and currently living on the state of Chihuahua, near the Sierra Tarahumara) and where I live it's very hard to get books of any kind, so one of the ways to get information it's online. I mean, there's information in local libraries, but it's not enough to someone like myself, who likes to read books of any matter, especially on ancient wars. For that reason I don't know nothing (I was going to say something else, you know) about that subject (the Caucausus area). That's why I want to know more about it. But also, I don't know german, russian or turquish or any other language than some bad spanish and just a little english. Just one more thing: ¿hablas español, camarada, como dices en tu pagina de usuario?

See you later, man.--Ahabvader (talk) 00:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

About the dictionaries, let me tell you Hurmata, that I really enjoy to read articles in many other languages, and I'm seriously thinking about to start to translate more wikipedia material in other languages to spanish, so when I read some article, I usually use two or three dictionaries; for english-spanish, usually I use the dictionary called Freedictionary, it's very good (at least to me), you just seek an english word, and you get all the information about that word, and also the traslation to spanish, french, german and italian; and this one on yahoo education, very good too, but just english-spanish, spanish-english. For russian, I use this one, just copy the word or a small text and translate it. Its good for russian-english, but it's not much from russian to spanish. For french, the only one I use is this one (claims that works for full websites, but I haven't tried). I hope you find useful any of these translators. Nos vemos, compa. ---Ahabvader (talk) 00:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Closing MedCab case

I have closed Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-08-13 Jacques Vergès. This is a fresh dispute, only hours old. Please attempt to discuss your concerns on the article talk page and allow some time for a full discussion to take place before pursuing further dispute resolution steps. If you cannot reach an agreement after making a good faith effort to the discuss the issue, then mediation may be a good option to pursue. If you simply wish to solicit uninvolved opinions to help settle the disagreement, asking for a third opinion or raising the reliable sourcing questions at the reliable sources noticeboard may be helpful. Be well! Vassyana (talk) 20:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Help 4

{{helpme}} I need an administrator. Whoever answers this, please do not bring up chat because I do not have access to chat through my Internet connection. Thank you. Hurmata (talk) 07:50, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi, if there is nothing I can help you with, try using this template {{Adminhelp}} to alert the attention of an administrator, regards —— RyanLupin • (talk) 08:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

{{Adminhelp}}

What is it you need admin help with? Kevin (talk) 10:01, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

At Evan Bayh, two users persist in a bizarre insertion: they use a citation falsely, in support of text that in fact does not appear in the cited article. It's even worse, the cited article says the opposite of what they are inserting. I have spelled out how this is so on the article talk page, in the 20:52 24 August 2008. Here's what I would like see an administrator do: (1) block these two users from inserting text with a false citation (a citation that doesn't say what they attribute to it); (2) block people from writing that there were reports of Obama choosing Bayh as running mate -- I know of no "reliable sources" that made this claim; (3) block people from claiming that to report that bumper stickers saying "Obama - Bayh" were printed Friday 22 August equates to reporting that Obama chose Bayh as running mate. Thank you. (PS: let me explain the sequence of the edit war. User Brewcrewer is the one who started this faulty edit. At 3:32 24 August, I undid him, he reverted. Then user Slipperyweasel reverted Brewcrewer and Brewcrewer struck back. I reverted Brewcrewer a second time. Then Slipperyweasel announced he hadn't meant to revert Brewcrewer, and proceeded to revert me.) Hurmata (talk) 10:27, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I have had a look, and so far as your interpretation of that statement and the source, I agree with you. I won't be blocking anyone just though, as no-one has yet stepped over the line. I'll keep watching what happens with interest. Kevin (talk) 11:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Evan Bayh

Sorry, I originally deleted that section and brewcrewer had a fit, as seen in my talk. Edit the article as you see fit. Joe (talk) 20:38, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Glenn Carter

Excellent, thanks for that. Much bolder than I'd been and rightly so imo - Carter is clearly known internationally for his public Raelian involvement and the article should reflect that. Sassf (talk) 08:34, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

That's very interesting! I googled Drama League "Most Outstanding Performance in a Musical Award" and note that there are only 5 hits, all of which relate to GC publicity material. And "Glenn Carter" "Most Outstanding Performance in a Musical Award" produces basically the same results. It does seem that perhaps the GC official page is at the very least mistaken as to the name of the award and to the awarding body... Sassf (talk) 10:27, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Al-Azhar University

Hi Hurmata;

Please check Al-Azhar University talk page then post your comment.« PuTTY^SchOOL 08:28, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

RfC on Weathermen, Ayers, Dohrm, Obama, and "terrorism"

Please note that I have created an RfC to discuss the matter of whether, how, and where we should use and cover the designation "terrorist" describe the Weathermen and their former leaders. It is located here: Talk:Weatherman (organization)/Terrorism RfC. The intent is to decide as a content matter (and not as a behavioral issue regarding the editors involved) how to deal with this question. I am notifying you because you appear to have participated in or commented about this issue before. Feel free to participate. Thank you. Wikidemon (talk) 20:14, 5 September 2008 (UTC)