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"I am a Palestinian. Hath not a Palestinian eyes? Hath not a Palestinian hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Jew is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that -- the villainy you teach me, I will execute; and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction." Tariq Ali's take on Shakespeare in the Khaleej Times "It is not enough for the settler to delimit physically, that is to say with the help of the army and the police force, the place of the native. As if to show the totalitarian character of colonial exploitation the settler paints the native as a sort of quintessence of evil ... The native knows all this ... he knows that he is not an animal, and it is precisely at the moment he realizes his humanity that he begins to sharpen the weapons with which he will secure his victory. From Frantz Fanon's The Wretched of the Earth "A Jewish youth in the Arab countries expects from Zionism nothing other than colonialism and domination." Ya'qūb Balbūl in the 1930s, as quoted in The Arab Jews "- You can't compare them; a European Jew is something else. - How come? - Because 'Jew' just doesn't go with 'Arab', it just doesn't go. It doesn't even sound right. - Depends on your ear. - Look, I've got nothing against Arabs. I even have friends who are Arabs, but how can you say 'Arab Jew' when all the Arabs want is to destroy the Jews? - And how can you say 'European Jew' when the Europeans have already destroyed the Jews?" Sami Shalom Chetrit's "Who is a Jew and What Kind of Jew", as quoted in The Arab Jews

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Materialscientist (talk) 18:02, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Zionist Political Violence - palestinefacts.org

Hi Tiamut,

I created a new section on the talk page for the aforementioned article in the hopes that you'll engage in discussion. I just don't understand what facets of WP:RS the site fails to satisfy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Zionist_political_violence#palestinefacts.org

Thanks, --65.127.188.10 (talk) 01:01, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Yep

My first impression about a person is usually proves to be the right one.--Mbz1 (talk) 01:06, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

As do mine. Tiamut^talk 01:14, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Tell Balata

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Materialscientist (talk) 12:03, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Sheikh Jarrah

Hi, There was a tomb of Sheikh Jarrah just to the north of Jerusalem by 1860 at the latest. I have a map. But I can't find anything about this tomb or who Sheikh Jarrah was. There was some general of Omar, conqueror of Jerusalem, with that name, but no source connecting him to the tomb. Can you find anything? Zero^talk 14:26, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Zero0000. It seems the Sheikh Jarrah quarter on Mount Scopus was named for the nearby tomb of Muslim saint, commonly known as Sheikh Jarrah. [1] The tomb itself is located inside the Mosque of Sheikh Jarrah. Named for a 12th century Muslim saint, it is located on Nablus Road near the American Colony hotel, about a 5-minute walk from the Sheikh Jarrah quarter. [2] According to Mariam Shahin, on pages 328-329 of her book Palestine: A Guide (of which I have a copy at home), the mosque was built in 1895, around the tomb (which is itself dated to 1201). Both are named for the physician of Saladin, known as Hussam al-Din al-Jarrahi (Jarrahi in Arabic means "the surgeon"). The nearby Sheikh Jarrah quarter was named for him, though Shahin notes it is not certin that the tomb contains his actual remains.

I will look for more informtion on Hussam al-Din l-Jarrahi too. But I though I'd let you know wht an initial look around has turned up. Cheers. Tiamut^talk 14:57, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Great. That article needs some history (but see RS/N). Zero^talk 15:06, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

GA

Any luck with the GA afterwards? I made a map Template:Location map Egypt Sinai. I though it might come in handy as a locator for some ancient site that you or Nableezy or somebody might be working on... ‡ Himalayan ‡ ^ΨMonastery 15:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC) No worries, looks good on the Dahab article anyway.. ‡ Himalayan ‡ ^ΨMonastery 20:35, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Userbox

Marhaba Tiamut, I've been "stalking" your wonderful contributions to Wikipedia on Palestine and the Palestinian people, not to mention your relentless articulations on the talk pages, since I first stepped foot here. It's been truly wonderful, and educational. Anyways, I wanted to ask your permission to use your hard coded user box supporting the unmentionable military resistance movements. Would that be okay? Yazan (talk) 18:48, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Tiamut. I will take you up on that offer, we do badly need an extra set of keyboards at WP:SYR ;). Salamat and Happy editing. Yazan (talk) 19:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm happy to know that. Whatever you can dig up will be helpful really. Nevertheless, and this is a bit eccentric, but I've been obsessing about this particular finger-length clay tablet from Ugarit. Arguably the oldest such articulation of an alphabet (and Damascus Museum's most celebrated display) but I can find very little scholarly sources about it. Alas. Yazan (talk) 19:34, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Hey again

I understand that you are busy, but I have now asked several people for help but no one wants to. Are you sure you cant spare a bit of your time to take a look and see if changes are needed? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 01:18, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Mujir al-Din al-'Ulaymi

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Calmer Waters 06:03, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

For you

		The Excellent User Page Award
		Rarely are Userpages so full of sadness and poetry. You have a way of latching onto little details—"sounds of my city", the Mona Lisa-esque quality of the "woman from Ramallah"—to reveal the larger picture in the space between the words. As you wrote, "That's what moves me to write. My love for all people which begins with love for myself, then my neighbours, my people, and expands outward from there, everywhere." Beautiful. --AFriedman (talk) 06:39, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations about the DYK, too. --AFriedman (talk) 06:39, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again

Thanks again for all the help at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Israeli art student scam, it was invaluable. Given the massive and strident opposition the fact it survived AFD in any form whatsoever is a gift. The current manifestation has some neutrality problems, but I'm going to wait until the controversy dies down before editing it again. Factsontheground (talk) 01:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Rachel's Tomb and Bilal ibn Ribah

Hi, Do you know what this business with Rachel's Tomb being called Bilal ibn Ribah mosque? I know there has been a mosque there since at least the middle of the 19th century, but until recently I didn't hear of it having a name not associated with Rachel. There's a claim it is a fresh new name, but this information is from a Jewish activist source. Also, is the name applied to the whole structure or just the part that is a mosque (see Pringle's diagram])? Here is a Bethlehem site quite happy to call it both "Qubbet Rahil" and "Bilal ibn Ribah mosque", suggesting that calling it a mosque is not intended to deny the Rachel connection. Cheers. Zero^talk 12:27, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

[3] Rachel's Tomb was worshipped by Jews, Christians, and Muslims, according to a 12th century travel account which cites its Arabic name as Carbata or Carbrata' (?).

[4] By the 19th century, its appearance is described by Edward Robinson as like Mulsim wali. This building is described as not ancient, though sheltering n older pile of stones within.

Mariam Shahin, on page 358 of Palestine: A Guide, notes the following, which may help in more directly answering your question:

Past the military checkpoint [at Bethlehem] on the righthand side the Israeli-built separation wall is in full ivew, as is the fortress-like Tomb of Rachel. An important symbol to grieving mothers, Muslims venerate the biblical matriarch, whose male children were killed at Herod's orders. Women have come to her tomb to pray for health and fertility since time immemorial. Initially built by the Byzantines, the existing tomb was built by the Ottomans. In 1841, a British Jewish philanthropist had the dome's roof restored and reportedly made "special" arrangements for Jews at the site. Although the Tomb and Mosque of Bilal Ibn Rabah and a tribal cemetery of the Ta'amre Bedouin tribe share the property with the matriarchal tomb, they are off-limits to Muslims by order of the Isreli military. (Until 1977 the site had been under the protection of the Islamic Waqf and accessible to all.

The bold formatting is in Shahin's text. Its seems clear that thhe two names refer to two different entities located at the same site. Given that Rachel is a respected matriarch in Islamic tradition as well, her tomb was also venerated by Muslims. I guess with all the conflict over it, that veneration had subsided in recent years and the uncontestably Muslim connection of the mosque/tomb is being played up more. But the fact remains, the two names refer to different things located at the same site. Tiamut^talk 13:07, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I found mentions of "Bilal bin Rabah mosque" in Palestinian sources from early in 1997. Some of them clearly refer to two structures. I'd still like to know for how long the name of Bilal bin Rabah has been associated with it. So far I found nothing before 1997 but I can't search in Arabic. Zero^talk 13:40, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll see what I can find in Arabic. However, I suspect that the place was known in Arbic as qubbat rahil for centuries before the name bilal ibn rbbah was attached. In Moshe Sharon's Corpus, he notes it is mentioned in the writings of Mujir al-Din as qubbat rahil ("Rachel's dome") [5]. Lots of other info on the Muslim veneration of it as Rachel's dome in that book as well. Tiamut^talk 14:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Tiamut, you have either made a typo in copying Shahin text or Shahin herself has made an glaring error: "An important symbol to grieving mothers, Muslims venerate the biblical matriarch, whose male children were killed at Herod's orders." Rachel died many years before Herod. Chesdovi (talk) 12:03, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Chesdovi. The text reads exactly as I typed it. It is based (I think) on the tradition outlined in the Book of Matthew (2:16-18) where it says:

He [Herod gave orders to kill all the boys of Bethelehem ...In his way what the prophet Jeremiah had said came true: A sound is heard in Ramah, the sound of bitter weeping, Rachel is crying for her children; she refuses to be comforted, for they are dead.

Tiamut^talk 12:51, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

al-Bassa

Time to stop feeding the troll? Zero^talk 14:22, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes. I suspect its AH. Is a sock report necessary? Tiamut^talk 14:34, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Last edits make it 100% clear. It's gone now :). If it comes back, I'll see if we can get someone to semi-protect the talk page. That would be an unusual step, I think. Zero^talk 06:31, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Damascus Citadel?

Marhaba Tiamut. Citadel of Damascus has grown quite a bit since last week, and we're planning to take it to GA, would you be interested in joining the push? Yazan (talk) 18:47, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Greek Orthodox Church of the Annunciation

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Materialscientist (talk) 18:03, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Agil Aga

Tiamut dear, that was very generous of you, giving me DYK-credit for Mujir al-Din al-'Ulaymi...you did all the work...

Anyway; more work: I have for some time though we need a article on Agil Aga, the Beduin leader in the mid 19th century--he is buried at I'billin. And now I just found a picture of him, over at commons! [6] -You know I´m crazy about pictures ;) Anyway, Schölch write quite a bit about him in "Palestine in Transformation". And I see this article: http://www.jstor.org/pss/1570684 -I cannot see the full article, but perhaps Nableezy can? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:02, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

That sounds good, great that you got the article. I´ll just continue to add the sources on User:Huldra/Sources#Agil_Aga. He had a lot of interactions with the "expats" of the time, especially the different consulars, etc, --and they all wrote about him. In other words: lots of "old" sources. There is no hurry: I´ll leave it to you to start it when you feel like it...cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:48, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

I have this article in full, will I email it? In general, feel free to ask me about journal articles you can't get. I can get almost anything. Zero^talk 22:40, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah; there are a zillion sources on him; so far I haven´t used the search-function at all, I´m just finding the sources mentioned in Schöltz..I´ll continue work in User:Tiamut/Aga, Cheers! Huldra (talk) 17:33, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I´m not sure we can/should use the maps I put into User:Tiamut/Sinnabra --but it does show, at least, where people thought the place was. I´m no good a photo-fixing though, and we really should (if we use them) only have a part of the map? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:32, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I have no concern about copyright -after all, I found the maps on commons. The size of the map is an issue, especially with the first one, if you could resize it to highlight the location of Sinnabra, it would be great. My biggest concert is, however, I don´t know how accurate these maps are? Basically they only show were they *thought* the location was. If we use them, we must be careful to note the date they were published..., and possibly by whom they were published. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:41, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, my impression is that few have looked very hard for non-Christian or non-Jewish remains.... Anyway, from what I understand from the discussion under Khirbat-ware here--the place is truly ancient, with habitation going back 4-5 thousand years? Huldra (talk) 21:38, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

User:Tiamut/Sinnabra

Some more sources:

• http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0003_0_02894.html ....this is a facinating article...for all it manage *not* to mention!!
• P. Delougaz and R. C. Haines, 1960: A Byzantine Church at Khirbet al-Karak, University of Chicago
• http://oi.uchicago.edu/pdf/03-04_Ind_Whitcomb.pdf
• http://oi.uchicago.edu/pdf/ois5.pdf ..if you download this .pdf-file, go to p.241, there is an article by Donald Whitcomb (2009): "From Pastoral Peasantry to tribal Urbanites: Arab Tribes and the foundation of the Islamic State." A *must* read! Includes a plan over the site, (p.253) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 00:51, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Only the first page found, I´m afraid:

http://middleeastmedievalists.org/uw141April2002.html

And look at this:

• http://www.tau.ac.il/humanities/archaeology/projects/betyerah/qasr.html

..and their bibliography:

• http://www.tau.ac.il/humanities/archaeology/projects/betyerah/publications.html

Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:59, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

And:

• Israeli archaeologists identified Caliph Mu’awiya’s Lakeside Palace, 15 March 2010 (nice picture of the mosaic)

• http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hxlDHZsMH3ZXaZbHECPbV41CtOkQD9EGIPR00

and, from books, the connections to other cstles:

• http://books.google.no/books?id=kE_JgKlVltIC&pg=PA159&dq=sinnabra+whitcomb&cd=1#v=onepage&q=sinnabra%20whitcomb&f=false

Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I believe this site:

• //www.biblewalks.com/Sites/BeitYerach.html

is blacklisted on wp...but it has some wonderful photos;)....and some complete wrong information:( Cheers, Huldra (talk) 01:07, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

fame

Something interesting in email. Zero^talk 14:21, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for Balata al-Balad

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Bayt Nuba

It seems we don't have an article, is that right?. It has a rich history. Jerome, Crusaders (as Betenuble/Betenoble), etcetc. Now settlement Mevo Horon. p102 in Pringle A-K (Bait Nuba). Hint, hint :). Zero^talk 13:55, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Will start something in user space soon. User:Tiamut/Sinnabra is pretty much done for now, but User:Tiamut/Aga is next up for development. Still, Bayt Nuba sounds mighty interesting. Soon ... I promise. Real life beckons at the moment though. Tiamut^talk 18:42, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Tiamut, I'd like to thank you for not voting to delete that article that you did not like so much. I'd like to assure you that I did not want to push any POV with it, and, if I unwillingly did, it was only because of my inexperience in writing and/or editing such articles. Thanks for helping me to make it better. --Mbz1 (talk) 19:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

The spider house

Tiamut, you ended your comment on FoG talk page[7] with a sentence which is last words are written in Arabic: Don't worry though my friend, because it is all really awha(m) min beit il ankaboot. The translation of it is "Don't worry though my friend, because it is all really stronger than the house of the spider". Please notice that you should always add translation when you write in language different than English. Also, the term "house of the spider" is famous tem that was coined by and regulary use Hezbolla leader when he speak out publicaly against Israel-according to him, Israel is "the house of the spider". So, in this context, I just want to ask you if that's what you refered to? Does anyone who oppose some of FoG edits, to the matter of fact, is included in what you refered to as "the house of the spider"?--Gilisa (talk) 10:54, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Gilisa, it means "weaker than the spider's web", not stronger. Its a metaphor and I'm using it with multiple meanings here intended for Factsontheground, not anyone else and not about anyone editing here, but about the general situation she faced. Its meant to be of some comfort to her. Can you leave it at that? Tiamut^talk 16:21, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Tiamut you wrote: "Breein1007, your comment above crosses all kinds of lines". May I please ask if you also believe that statements by facts "Wikipedia is openly racist against Palestinians" that is proudly displayed at the user talk page also "crosses all kinds of lines", or you agree with it?--Mbz1 (talk) 16:52, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't care to comment on the content of that edit. I will say that considering your own sensitivity to people repeatedly posting at your talk page taking issue with your comments and advocating for you to be blocked, I would think you would be more sensitive to a user who is blocked from even editing their talk page and can't respond to posts made by you and others tht she doesn't want to her from right now. Both you and Breein1007 should leave her alone. Tiamut^talk 17:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I knew, you would not care to comment! BTW I know your "friend". I saw many like her, who would scream on demonstrations: "Palestine will be free from the river to the sea" while displaying Israeli flags with swastikas, and then accuse everybody around in being "racist".--Mbz1 (talk) 17:17, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

If you knew I wouldn't answer then your question was designed for some other end. Please stop soapboxing on my talk page and talking about a blocked editor that I've already asked you to leave alone. Dont bother replying. Tiamut^talk 17:25, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

You choosed to put it in Arabic, it is a very well known phrase sounded by Hasan Nasralla who describe Israel that way ("weaker than spider web" there is also the Hezbolla museum named "the Spider house". In the context of your grievances on racism against palestinians on FoG talk page it sound realy bad. Would appreciate if you avoid it next time, if it's not too much to ask.--Gilisa (talk) 17:29, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

It is too much to ask. Your assumption of bad faith regarding its meaning is not my problem. I will write in whatever language I want to. Just because Hassan Nasrallah uses a metaphor doesn't mean that I can't and I will use it whenever I see fit. And now if you're quite done, I'd appreciate you also staying off my talk page for now. Thanks. Tiamut^talk 17:33, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

new sources, now on the net

Tiamut dear, I am delighted to see that some of Elihu Grant books are now freely available on the net, including his (1907): The Peasantry of Palestine, and his (1921): The People of Palestine I have seen them often referred to, including in Khalidi and Weir. The 1921 book is especially rich on information on villages in the West Bank/Ramallah -area (Grant worked at the Ramallah Friends Schools.) Just look at the content, p.9 ....lots of info, cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Markook#Merge.3F

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Thanks

Thanks for sticking up for me during my latest block. If there is anything I can do for you in the future just let me know. Factsontheground (talk) 12:34, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Ebla tablets

Marhaba Tiamut. I hope I am not imposing, but could you possibly run through this draft for Ebla tablets. You have a long experience with the controversies of Biblical archaeology and this seems like one that would invite a lot of it. Do you think it's better to completely cut that part about their "disputed" biblical significance and focus on their more potent cultural depictions of the era? Input would be welcome. Yazan (talk) 05:55, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the barnstar, I do really appreciate that. And thank you again for the copyedits and the input on Ebla. Happy Editing.Yazan (talk) 09:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

"BLP violation" nonsense

Dude, I really don't know what you're talking about, unless for some reason you're somehow expressing some degree of unwarranted solicitude for (WP:BLP violation redacted,Huldra (talk) 22:10, 30 March 2010 (UTC)) Qaradawi. Since I didn't add it to the "Yusuf Qaradawi" article, didn't propose adding it to the "Yusuf Qaradawi" article, never had the slightest intention of adding to the "Yusuf Qaradawi" article, didn't add it to the talk page of the "Yusuf Qaradawi" article, never had any intention of adding to the talk page of the "Yusuf Qaradawi" article, and wasn't even talking about Qaradawi as such (but merely happened to mention him in passing as one example among a large number ideologues who publicly uphold sleazy propaganda tactics which would be found to be unacceptable by most decent people who have any concern whatsoever with morality and ethics), it's hard for me to see your cries of "BLP violation" as any real legitimate concern... AnonMoos (talk) 15:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

By the way, I visited the Qaradawi article just now (thanks to you), and you can see what I said in the context of an actual discussion about Qaradawi at Talk:Yusuf al-Qaradawi... AnonMoos (talk) 16:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

See this. I think the lesson here (at least for me!) is to take this to WP:AN/I earlier-- not a prospect I really like; I would prefer to "argue it out". And I learned that it is a very thin line indeed between trying to demonstrate the Ethic of reciprocity,...and risk being blocked for violating WP:POINT! Take care, my dear...and don´t forget User:Tiamut/Aga! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:03, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

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Hello

Thank you Tiamut. Only as I can edit I've also post this on your page. Ashley kennedy3 (talk) 16:16, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

So nice to receive a message from you here. I'm so happy your freedom of movement has been restored. It means much less work for the rest of us. :) Tiamut^talk 16:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Few different things

Hi Tiamut, may I please ask you to review my sanctions and Special Enforcement Details here? I'd like to ask you please to keep an eye on me, and report any violation of the sanctions on my side, if you have a time of course.

May I please ask you to review those sanctions that were imposed for a single comment here concerning the article that is not even included

in Israeli–Palestinian conflict category. I asked you to review the sanctions in order to try to make you feel more fair towards administrators actions. I know it is hard,

but maybe you're willing to give it a try.

The last thing is about absolutely different matter. Few days ago I watched a documentary at FOX about George Bernard Shaw, marx, hitler and so on. They said Shaw was advocating putting all unproductive people to gas chambers and gas them to death. I could not believe it! I Google it, and I found few sites that confirmed it [8]

I am not sure, if I will be able to enjoy My Fair Lady the way I used to ever again.--Mbz1 (talk) 00:55, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

They said Shaw was advocating putting all unproductive people to gas chambers

Wow! So GBS would have gassed all the wheelers and dealers in Wall Street?Nishidani (talk) 06:02, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Comments by others

[9], seems relevant to the topic discussion and should not have been removed per Wikipedia:TALK#How_to_use_article_talk_pages. Dreadstar ☥ 20:37, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

<copy> Here. Does the article linked mention Muhammad al-Durrah? No. The connection is in the mind of the editor who placed it there and based on his OR conclusion that this recent incident somehow means the conspiracy theories surrounding Durrah's death are justified. Talk pages are not a forum for general discussion of the topic. Please revert your reinstatement of this edit. Thanks. Tiamuttalk 15:06, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Please re-read Wikipedia:TALK#Others.27_comments, specifically:

Refactoring for relevance: Archiving material not relevant to improving the article (per the above subsection #How to use article talk pages). Formerly it was not uncommon to simply delete off-topic posts, but this has led to disputes from time to time, and it is generally better to move such threads to an archive page. It is still common, and uncontroversial, to simply delete gibberish, rants about the article subject (as opposed to its treatment in the article) and test edits, as well as harmful or prohibited material as described above. Another form of refactoring is to move a thread of entirely personal commentary between two editors to the talk page of the editor who started the off-topic discussion.

Please respond here for convenience, I've got your talk page watchlisted. Dreadstar ☥ 15:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

The comment is likely to provoke a rather unproductive discussion, unrelated to the article's improvement. Per WP:ARBPIA, editors are asked to confine their discussions to material related directly to the articles' improvement, without straying into off-topic discussions on whether or not a particular thesis discussed in reliable sources is true or not. The comment I deleted is best left deleted. I see another editor has removed it now too as well. I'd ask you respect that removal. You reversion on my removal of the comment was more problematic than letting it remain removed. If you want to archive it instead, go ahead. I simply do not want to have to respond to it, when it has nothing to do article improvement. Tiamut^talk 16:54, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

I see it's been removed again, I'll not reinstate it. Hopefully the issue stops there. Dreadstar ☥ 17:04, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Could you do me a favor?

Hi Tiamut. Could you do me a favor and check whether this edit is legitimate or if it's vandalism? Thanks! — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 02:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Al-Quds

Funny, you should bring up al-Quds. Everytime, I read something, anything, about al-Quds, I feel a lump in my throat. I feel that the only things left for us (the outsiders) in al-Quds, or Yafa, is a Fairuz song, or my twelve-year old "friend" back home. Her father was an ardent Syrian Nationalist, and he told me that when he saw her eyes, he knew her name must be Yafa. It's both a sad sense of shame, and disbelief in how faraway from home we've become. I hope you're doing well. Sorry for soaping Yazan (talk) 10:54, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Strange, I feel very similar when someone mentions Baghdad and Dimashq. Its always been a dream of mine to visit those two great centres of civilization in the Arab world. Imagine that less than a century ago, I could have hopped on a train in Haifa and ended up in Damascus, and no doubt from there, another train would have taken me to Baghdad. Now, Baghdad is in ruins (before I even had the chance to visit its great museums, now plundered) and both those places might as well be on the moon since I'm not allowed to go there, and neither are its inhabitants allowed to visit me. Its like this region is going through devolution, or as one my elders says, "Since 1948, we are moving backwards." I hope you are doing well too and I hope one day things move forward, and I can invite you to lunch in my hometown and you can return the invitation, or we can meet halfway in Beirut :). Tiamut^talk 11:15, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Until then Tiamut, here's a little taste of my elders' hometown. They never fail to cheer me up. ;) Yazan (talk) 11:37, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

I love that show, and I look forward to visiting your town on the way to Damascus, as well as you visiting me in Nazareth on the way to Jerusalem. 'Til we meet under the olive trees ... Tiamut^talk 11:44, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

You remind me of a funny story. My dad's best friend has 3 old wooden shop fronts that he considers his most precious belongings. His father used to own a shoemaking company back in the 1920s and 1930s, and the fronts were from the company's shops in Antakya, Haifa and al-Quds. He took them back with him to Tripoli when he closed the shops in the early 1940s. Delightful little pieces of memory. Yazan (talk) 14:29, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Tiamut, do you mind if I ask you where you live? and are you christian? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 12:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Don't mind at all. I live in Nazareth. My parents and grandparents are Christians from various denominations, eastern and western. My husband's family is Muslim, though he and I are both rather agnostic. Though I don't attend services, I do still enjoy lighting candles and saying prayers for loved ones at the Greek Orthodox Church of the Annuciation from time to time. You? Tiamut^talk 13:04, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Interesting that you live in Nazareth. I am fascinated by the "Palestinian or Israeli Arab" identity dispute in Israel. But I see you are on the right side. Btw I read this today, and since you live there its maybe better that you remove the Hezbollah userbox from your user page for your own safety. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:42, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

I think I'll keep the userbox. While I can understand why you might be worried, I'm not. To me, its not about Hezbollah, but rather about the right of people to display userboxes indicating where their political support might lie. Thanks for worrying about me, but there's no need (at least not over this). Whenever the powers that be here decide they want me to pay an extended visit to their institutional facilities, it will happen, and they won't need to point to my userboxes to do it. I know people who've been framed and who they have threatened to frame (with fake phone recordings of them inciting others to violence or planting drugs in their house or guns in their cars). que sera sera ... if I spent my own time worrying about what they can do if they want to, I've never get any sleep. So I don't and you shouldn't either. Tiamut^talk 16:52, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

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Americans for Middle East Understanding

Thanks for your help, I appreciate it. With those third-party sources you found I think the article should survive future deletion attempts. You actually found some good material for the Anti-Arabism article too!

It is annoying that Number 57 deleted the article under A7 ("No indication of importance (individuals, animals, organizations, web content)"). The importance of the organization was very clearly stated in the original version, in my opinion. The problem was sourcing but that was corrected once the article was given a chance. It's a good thing I had the draft stored so I could recreate it quickly. Factomancer (talk) 12:48, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Ebla tablets

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User:Nick Fitzpatrick

I have suspicion on who Nick Fitzpatrick be. Them edit be similar to "Israeli" editor who recently block for long period of time and only have access to her talk page. Ani medjool (talk) 22:49, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I dont think so Ani medjool. I'd also apreciate you staying away from my talk page as I don't believe you are who you are pretending to be and I find your editing style and interventions to be highly disruptive. Thanks. Tiamut^talk 10:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

You don't believe he's a Palestinian refugee? Why... that's a big accusation. Are they known for lying? Breein1007 (talk) 17:28, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't believe he is an Arab (and I never saw him claim he was a Palestinian refugee). I question his professed identity based on the evidence regarding his faking of his poor English, the mistakes in the Arabic that once appeared on his user page, and his generally unhelpful contributions. It seems likely he is a strawman account impersonating an Arab/Palestinian to make those of us arguing certain positions seem ridiculous.

I notice you have a keen interest in challenging this conclusion everytime it has been raised. Why? You know he is a disruptive editor who contributes little in the way of content. Why are you so interested in seeing him stick around with his credibility intact? Because he's a major source of enjoyment to you? Tiamut^talk 20:08, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

He claimed to be from a Palestinian refugee camp in Syria. I couldn't be bothered to find the diff. As for my interests, I'll leave you to make your assumptions as usual, since you seem to love these little witch hunts :) Breein1007 (talk) 22:38, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't believe that claim, given that his Arabic should be fluent in that case (its not) and given the inconsistencies in the quality of the his English. Its a farce, and I won't be played for a fool.

As for your interest in having him stick around, I won't assume out loud as I'm pretty sure people can read between the lines anyway. And I never hunt witches, only socks, because they are usually disruptive, previously banned users who make editing here vastly unpleasant. Some of them are getting better at hiding their sock identity using technological covers that make conclusive rulings on their sock status impossible. But you wouldn't know anything about that, would you? Tiamut^talk 07:15, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Implying something, habibti? Don't be jealous of my super mad technology skillz. Zionist death computer programmers supply me with the best. Lawl!?12. Breein1007 (talk) 07:19, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm not your habibti, being neither dear to you, nor belonging to you in any way. Would appreciate you staying off my talk page. Thanks. Tiamut^talk 07:30, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Sheik Bureik

Zero and I have been working on and off for a while on Wikipedia:WikiProject Palestine/Sheikh Bureik..I think it is soon ready to be moved into article-space, would you care to help? At the moment the prose is, well, more a listing of facts, than good prose, if you see what I mean. Most of the sources should be available on the net (Sharon is great!). It would be wonderful if you could do the "finishing", and perhaps nominate it as a DYK? Cheers, Huldra (talk)

I made a once over copy edit and will try to do more soon before posting it to DYK. Great work there by the way. Tiamut^talk 20:09, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Whaw! You have made it into an article! ...from a random collection of facts...fantastic! Post it to DYK whenever you feel you´re done with it...BTW; I was also sort of thinking to get Palestinian costumes to FA? It would have been fantastic if we could get it on the front page for Nakba-day...I can get/upload one picture of men in Bethlehem, picture discussed in Weir ..it was men´s clothing that was its weak point...Anyway; I´m logging out now (it´s been a looong day!) cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:10, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Will try to give another couple of once overs before nominating. Thanks for the encouragement as always. And I saw the troubles you dealt with yesterday. Sorry it took up so much of your time. Those socks are relentless, but pretty easily discovered when they get themselves into tizzy as they did yesterday. See you soon my dear. Tiamut^talk 07:32, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Use of name "Palestinian" before 1960's?

Can you provide evidence of use of term "Palestinians" at the time of the Deir Yassin battle? Terminologistic (talk) 20:32, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Are you under the impression that the word was invented in the 1960s? I remember it being used well before then. Yes, I know that "I remember" is not providing a reliable source, but I am astonished that anyone thinks that the word was new in the 1960s. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:35, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Funny, I just left you two examples from 1951 and 1952 on your user page. I have to agree with JamesBWatson, its quite ridiculous to assert that its a new invention, as you do your user page. Tiamut^talk 20:37, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Agian, wishful thinking is one thing, fantasyland, now back to reality, Can you provide me ONE journal, ONE book that mentioned the term "palestinians" before 1960's??? Why not?Terminologistic (talk) 20:43, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

As I said, I left you two examples on your user page:

You are wrong about the use of "Palestinians". Just two examples:

• Life Magazine uses it in 1951 to refer to the refugees of the 1948 war in Saida.
• Life Magazine quoting the Mufti using the term in 1952 to refer to the million and half Palestinian refugees. Tiamut^talk 20:35, 15 April 2010 (UTC) Tiamut^talk 20:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

And as noted in the article on Palestinian people:

Whatever the differing viewpoints over the timing, causal mechanisms, and orientation of Palestinian nationalism, by the early 20th century strong opposition to Zionism and evidence of a burgeoning nationalistic Palestinian identity is found in the content of Arabic-language newspapers in Palestinian Territories, such as Al-Karmil (est. 1908) and Filasteen (est. 1911). Filasteen, published in Jaffa by Issa and Yusef al-Issa, addressed its readers as "Palestinians", first focusing its critique of Zionism around the failure of the Ottoman administration to control Jewish immigration and the large influx of foreigners, later exploring the impact of Zionist land-purchases on Palestinian peasants (Arabic: فلاحين, fellahin), expressing growing concern over land dispossession and its implications for the society at large.

Tiamut^talk 20:49, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I see Terminologistic is now blocked as a toothie sock. Incidentally, for early uses of "Palestinians" and similar questions, the Google news archive is a good source. It was also used in the Palestine Post by 1950. Zero^talk 07:45, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes ... more socks. Funny how the socks trying to insert poorly sources material into the article on Pan-Arabism, claiming that non-Arab minorities (with whom they often claim to be identified) have been persecuted by this ideology are the same socks making anti-Palestinian edits at I-P articles. Thanks for the tip on Google news archive. Of course, even after being provided evidence, these types of editors remain unconvinced, but its good for those who are editing in good faith and genuinely looking to add all relevant information from reliable sources. Tiamut^talk 07:53, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

There's a special breed for those socking at Pan-Arabism, it's almost idiotic and comic how obvious they are. Who said Wikipedia couldn't be fun? ;) Yazan (talk) 08:05, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

References

Sorry for dumping this wreck of an article on you...

but do you have any idea about the Society for Promotion of Female Education in the East? ..which seems to have something to do with China...or possibly Nazareth...or both? Lol! I cannot make heads or tail of this...cheers, Huldra (talk) 16:38, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

• Also, would you care to take a look at Al-Qabu..still need work, but could possibly be a DYK? Lots of sources online.. Huldra (talk) 21:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm...the first I have no idea about, but will ask around and look into in due time. About Al-Qabu, I'll do what I can today and tomorrow after a I solve a little puzzle about Kafr Thulth and Baalshalisha. Nice work as always Huldra. Tiamut^talk 09:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Great! Also; there is a discussion about a picture you uploaded on commons: See here. Now, as I have mentioned on the file-page; almost the exact same picture is in Khalidi (taken in 1991), and it is uploaded to the Pal.rem site. Well, I just wondered: how usual is it to have verses from the Qur'an over the entrance of a Jewish cemetary?? Cheers! Huldra (talk) 12:14, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

(deep deep sigh) I'm amazed by those assertions actually. That cemetery is one of my favourite places and having examined almost every inscription on the tombstones there, I can attest to their being universally written in Arabic. It is indeed an Islamic cemetery that was used by the villagers of Balad al-Shaykh (as noted by the mutliple sources I appended to that discussion you linked to at Commons). The attempts to deny the Arab and Muslim history of even the resting places of the dead that remain is so sad to me (as is the vandalism of the graves I've seen there, also discussed in some RS'). I wonder when the memoricide will stop? Or if it will continue until one day the Israelis are naming their weapons after Arab tribes they nearly decimated or their tools (just as the Americans do with their Apache helicopters and Tomahawk missiles). Sorry for the soap, but its really too disheartening. Tiamut^talk 12:37, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Unbelievably, it seem the Apache tribe apparenly welcomed the use of their name for the helicopter [10]. I think I'm going to be sick. Tiamut^talk 12:41, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I think this is one of the reasons that I have started to dislike JVL so much; one thing is that it concentrates on Jewish history (nothing wrong with that!)...another thing is how it completely wipes out (or try to!) all Arab/Palestinian history. This is what it writes about Mamluk rule..the whole of 6 lines...no mention of the architecture (I really have to get those bridges-articles done..), how they get that to fit with the Ramleh-article, is another matter. Or some of the editors here: just see Aref al-Aref..notes that 5 Jews died in the 1920 riots...but not that 4 Arabs died, too. Sigh. Etc, etc. Of well, we just have to keep going. At least there are not (that many) who advocate that all Palestinians left in 1948 due to "Arab orders"...as there were, only 3-4 years ago, it´s progress! Cheers, Huldra (talk) 12:57, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello my dear; I think I am about done with Al-Qabu‎, filled in what Morris has to say. AFAIK; Israel grossly violated the Armistice Agreements with their action on 1 May 1949.. (so what else is new). I could perhaps expand events autumn -48, with some of the material in Khalidi (it is in the family-net-link)..but I really don´t know how accurate it it...as it is based on "The History of the war of independence". Could you perhaps copy-edit it, and nominate it for DYK? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 17:13, 21 April 2010 (UTC)  

Sheikh Danun

Hi, please check the French translation at Sheikh Danun from the French which I put on the talk page. Also, this place was apparently of some importance during Napoleon's invasion but I can't find anything. Cheers, Zero^talk 14:14, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

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