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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was kept by Dana boomer 02:22, 23 June 2010 [1].

Roy of the Rovers

Notified: Seb Patrick, ChrisTheDude, North wales cestrian, DreamGuy, Tpbradbury, WikiProject Football, WikiProject Comics, Today's featured article/requests

On Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests, Roy of the Rovers was discussed as a possible Main Page article for the end of the 2010 World Cup; however, the article needs cleanup before it should make that appearance. Specifically, I have the following FA criteria concerns:

  • Criteria 1B: Comprehensiveness
    While the lead says that Roy of the Rovers "was the most popular [football comic] ever produced, with an estimated one million readers at the height of its popularity in the late 1970s and early 1980s. As such, it holds a unique place in British football folklore, demonstrated most clearly by the stock media phrase 'real Roy of the Rovers stuff'...", there is no greater discussion of the cultural impact of Roy of the Rovers in the UK except in passing.
  • Criteria 1C: Well-researched
    Whole sections have no citations, including the "Regular features" section. There are multiple [citation needed] and {{refimprove}} tags present. The vast majority of the citations present are to newspapers or the strip's own website, making it questionable if the article content is supported by high-quality reliable sources as required.
  • Criteria 2C: Consistent citations
    The citations are not formatted consistently. The interweaving of footnotes with references makes it difficult to tell when reading the article what statements are backed by references and which aren't, but I don't believe the FA criteria require the footnotes and references to be separated.
  • Criteria 3: Images
    There are five fair-use images of the article. This may be considered excessive fair-use and should be reviewed.

Thank you for your attention. –Grondemar 00:42, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly I'd have to say this article doesn't currently meet the criteria for FA. Supporting 1c above, in fact there are a significant number of other assertions in the article that haven't been flagged for citation but should be. In the first section alone - "Football-themed stories were a staple of British comics from the 1950s onwards" (we know that's true, but ...) "In February 2007, it was announced that a group of fans had obtained the rights to reprint classic strips" "this arrangement came to an end soon afterwards" (raised on the discussion page, but nothing done about it).

Several of the links don't work (#32 for example leads to search results on Channel 4's website for 'Roy'). The plot section weaves in and out of fictional continuity, and once again is without many relevant citations.

Finally, and possibly most significantly, I'm not exactly sure what the article is supposed to be about. If it's about the strip 'Roy of the Rovers', then what is the 'regular features' section in there for? That would only be relevant if the article was about the comic 'Roy of the Rovers'; in which case that section would be relevant, but other sections of the article would not be. Sorry Archiveangel (talk) 11:33, 6 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I did a little bit of work on this article waaaaaay back. To be honest I'm not sure the article can be easily brought up to what is now considered FA quality, due mainly to lack of easily-available sources. There's a new hardback book on the history of the character/comic that came out a while ago and would probably have plenty of good content, but I'm not going to buy it just to try and salvage the WP article....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:43, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • It would be very sad to see this delisted less than two days before the start of the World Cup. I'd rather see it on the main page, if not on the opening day, then on final day. There are clearly problems with the article, but I don't see them as being particularly difficult to fix. Archiveangel pointed out above what is perhaps the article's greatest weakness, its muddy scope. I propose to be bold and fix that by creating a new article about the weekly comic, in which Roy was just one of the features, and often not the featured one. That will have the additional benefit of removing a large section of uncited text. The prose is a little bit breathless in places, and the citations do need to be checked, and probably added to, but I don't see any reason to give up on this too quickly, especially not now. Malleus Fatuorum 20:19, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Malleus Fatuorum has done some sterling work over the last few days and I think has come close to satisfactorily addressing all the points raised above - what do others think......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:41, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Much better now it's more focused, and that should make it easier to improve. But the article is still short of a lot of citations in critical places (first statement in the collected editions section for example), and, as discussed before, is currently in the 'primary sources' trap. I suspect it could be lifted a LOT further if Mick Collins book "Roy of the Rovers: The Unauthorised Biography" was absorbed and sourced. Wish I could help, but I don't have a copy, although it's easily found. The article still falls short, but I think we still need to be non-partisan and not lose sight of the yardstick measures because of the potential World Cup milestone. This could be a great article (it almost makes me wish I read the strip and was interested in football!), there's no rush. Cheers! Archiveangel (talk) 12:23, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you that the sourcing and citations still leave quite a bit to be desired. I'm not so worried about the Plot section though; such sections are commonly very sparsely cited in literature articles, as the story is the source for itself. The glaring omission right now I think is the lack of some kind of Cultural impact (or similarly titled) section; I'll try and knock something up later. I'll see if I can get hold of a copy of Mick Collins's book as well. Malleus Fatuorum 12:46, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'll have to bow to much more senior (in Wikipedia terms, not age :-) people on plot. It appears initially getting the plot into secondary or tertiary source is critical to the slow crawl up the scale, but, the better the article gets, the less the plot belongs - according to how things work; which I still have much trouble with as a concept - after all, what Roy did and when is probably as important to some as his historical/sociological importance, and the balance between an article which shows the historical background etc. and his 'history' may not work between what the searching public wants as compared to what the article requires under the rules. Put basically, if I look up 'Roy of the Rovers', its probably because I want to see what its about, a bit of the sociological background, but mostly what happened, why and when (both in-chronology and in real-life publishing).
Perhaps a case of Wikipedia should supply what people want, not what Wikipedia thinks people should want, perhaps not. Possibly the usual problem of committee-based decisions, partly a defense against pure anarchy. However, as a result, you have to realise the drive to some sort of common ground rules, to avoid the anarchic mess that many articles are. The beauty is when it all drives in one direction and 'something happens' - just look at this article in such a short time. Despite all that, sometimes its just got to be worth putting a useful article up that's simply worthwhile because it hasn't been covered yet and should be, even if it can't get those benchmarks right now. Better something that can be worked on than nothing. Keep on keeping on Cheers! Archiveangel (talk) 15:52, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Linking: why is "helicopter" linked? And "retconn" is linked, but should we have to divert to learn what its basic meaning is? I see a spaced em dash. "Father and Son"—should S be used? "one-another" hyphenated? "struck towards goal" ... no "the", or is this in-house lingo? The prose generally needs improvement. Tony (talk) 14:51, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
well in theory everything linkable should be linked - the idea is think encyclopaedia: anything explained somewhere else should be linked to that article (mind you, taken to extreme that could just be madness). If there's an article about helicopters, link it, if there's one about retconn, link it. Assume nothing in the way of understanding (ever played the 'describe to someone alien how to wash your hands' game? Drives people mad, although it's lovely to see the light go when people get the insight to how people think). As for general grammatical or spelling errors, just change them. Nobody's offended. Ditto with general prose. Though sometimes it's best to wait until the article's thrashed out, instead of a constant bit here and bit there which may get lost in later changes. Cheers! Archiveangel (talk) 15:52, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Tony1's view, and one I agree with, is that only "high-value" links should be included, not everything that could possibly be linked. In the unlikely event that someone doesn't know what a helicopter is, they can easily find out simply by searching for it. The example Tony drew attention to before though, "retconn", is a case where a reader might reasonably want to know a little bit more about retroactive continuity, as a technique employed by the writers of the later strips. Malleus Fatuorum 17:04, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – I remember reading this article a while back and feeling so concerned about its state that I seriously considered nominating it here myself. What has happened here is a more stunning turnaround than U.S.–Slovenia. A lot of great, great work has clearly been done. The citations in particular have really been improved. Most of the areas without them relate to the plot, and as Malleus says cites aren't strictly needed there. I did notice two remaining areas that could use references. First, the part in the second paragraph that says the monthly version had sluggish sales, and second, a paragraph in Spin-offs and merchandise (though I guess you could argue that shirts source themselves too). Overall, I'm not convinced that this one even needs to go to FARC. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 15:30, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • The remark about the "sluggish sales" was really to do with Shoot magazine, not about the Roy of the Rovers comic strip, so I've removed it. The shirts is a problem though, because the only source is the web site where they can be bought. Malleus Fatuorum 22:53, 20 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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The article was kept by Dana boomer 02:22, 23 June 2010 [2].

Canberra

Review commentary

Notified: Australia notice board, WP Canberra, WP Cities, User talk:Arno, User talk:PDH, User talk:YellowMonkey. -- Cirt (talk) 16:10, 5 May 2010 (UTC) [reply]

FA from 2005, the article has 1c issues throughout the page. It could use a bit of copyediting to address flow, and also problems of short paragraphs scattered in the article. There are twenty-seven images used in this article - these could use an image review for each. It probably might make some sense to trim some of these images to not have so many included on the page. -- Cirt (talk) 16:10, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments:
  • Comments Yellowmonkey has asked that I comment on this article. I think that it's in very good shape, and my only comments are:
    • It's over-stating things a bit to say that the "federal government moved to Canberra on 9 May 1927" - although the parliament moved to Canberra at this time, most government departments remained in Melbourne until well after World War II, with some departments not completing their move to Canberra until the 1980s! (this is identified in the next para)\
Yes! YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 04:24, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • It should be noted that only a relatively small part of modern Canberra was designed by Burley Griffin - statements such as "Canberra is a planned city that was originally designed by Walter Burley Griffin, a major 20th century American architect" overstate his influence on the city's overall layout
Need to change it so mean the inner-city centre, as the recent sprawl has nothing to do with him. Good catch YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 04:24, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • There was way too much information about Canberra's railroad history, which is a subject of little importance to the city given that it's never had more than a single train station and some temporary lines built only to move construction material around - I've trimmed this Nick-D (talk) 04:13, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FARC commentary

Featured article criteria of concern brought up in the FAR section include referencing, reference formatting, copyediting and image concerns. Dana boomer (talk) 20:46, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]


The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.
The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was kept by Dana boomer 11:20, 10 June 2010 [3].

Halkett boat

Notified: Sadads, Nev1, Malleus Fatuorum, Ranger Steve, Iridescent, Hamiltonstone, Parrot of Doom, Johnbod, WikiProject Rowing, WikiProject Sailing, WikiProject Arctic

I am nominating this featured article for review because it strays far off the topic of the boat itself, and of any demonstrated special effect the boat had, but becomes a general history of the inventor and expeditions that (by chance) used the boat.

It has loose, informal, unattested language such as, "long been interested in the difficulties", "widely praised", "would serve any useful purpose" that amounts to essay original research.

The article caught my eye yesterday because it starts with a misconception that led me to suspect that the editors did not have experience with the subject, but were simply involved in synthesis. (Halkett's claims about the use of his boat as a cloak and an umbrella would not seem unusual to someone who has traveled in the wilderness in a small boat.)

The article was nominated by the editor who started it. Within five days editors who had had major involvement writing the article submitted it for Featured Article status, and then voted that they themselves had done an excellent job. This is inappropriate.

To fix the article, the off-topic content should be deleted, and the personal original speculation removed.

Truly, Piano non troppo (talk) 09:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reading the instructions above, I find these words: "Nominators ... should not nominate articles that are featured on the main page (or have been featured there in the previous three days)... . Three to six months is regarded as the minimum time between promotion and nomination here, unless there are extenuating circumstances such as a radical change in article content." Is there any reason why neither of these instructions should apply to this nomination? BencherliteTalk 09:40, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The FA nomination process happened in five days, and was voted into FA status by the editors who wrote it. This seems improper. Giving the article a grace period of months seems inappropriate. The problem is current. (The article was not called to my attention on account of its FA status, but because it displayed in MWT anti-vandalism. I did the same evaluation on it that I would do on any article.) Regards, Piano non troppo (talk) 09:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
(e/c) OK, let's look at that allegation more closely, shall we? The main author and nominator was Iridescent. Parrot of Doom made four very minor changes and supported; PoD did not edit the article sufficiently to be disqualified from supporting it. Malleus made a number of minor copy-editing changes, as he often does on request before or during an FAC. I would not have thought that would have disqualified him from supporting. Hamiltonstone added one sentence based on the discussion at FAC; again, not disqualifying. Jappalang supported, and has never edited the article; the same goes for AnOddName. Johnbod supported, and added a category - are you seriously saying that this disqualifies him from supporting? To me, it looks as though the only major contributor of content was Iridescent, with polishing from Malleus. By far the majority of the supporters were editors with no disqualifying interest in the article's creation or promotion, some of whom I know without having to look it up are experienced FA writers themselves. So would you care to rephrase your allegation? BencherliteTalk 10:07, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dismiss. Absurd accusations. FAC was not rigged and article would seem to be of FA quality, and have yet to see any detailed and nopn-vague accusations against the article. Skinny87 (talk) 10:43, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I stand by my partial support, and reiterate my FAC comments, less the bulleted ones (they were either dealt with by other editors or answered to my satisfaction by Iridescent, and were minor anyway). I'm not convinced the parts about the boats' creator and their real-world use are "off the topic of the boat itself". On the contrary, an article on, say, a film or anime series would probably need info about its development (inspirations, technical info, people involved, ...), sales, and critical reception to even be on WP, let alone featured. Because the article touches on (analogues of) all of those aspects—as I think it should—I feel wiser about what inspired the boats and their maker, as well as whether people actually gave a shit about the boats back then (and they clearly did). --an odd name 11:04, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I’m afraid I don’t understand this FAR nom. The article is well written, well sourced and well illustrated. I don’t see where “it strays far off the topic of the boat itself, and of any demonstrated special effect the boat had, but becomes a general history of the inventor and expeditions that (by chance) used the boat”. The article combines as much supporting information about the use of the boat as I would expect in any article. How is including details and opinions of the explorers who used it “straying”? How are they not detailing the boat itself?
The “loose, informal, unattested language” is all sourced and makes perfect sense to me. “Long been interested in the difficulties…” is a referenced statement and doesn’t seem unusual for someone who used to live in Canada. “Widely praised” seems to be supported by the opinions and comments of 4 explorers notable enough to have their own articles. “Would serve any useful purpose” is again supported by a reference. Sorry Piano, but can you clarify exactly what your problem with this language actually is? Nor do I understand what you’re saying in your 3rd paragraph – can you please clarify the misconception, because I’m afraid I really don’t follow it.
In my personal opinion Iridescent has done a fine job of compiling probably all the information there is about an obscure, unknown subject in a good (nay, featured) article. The talk page mentions the lack of a photo of the surviving boat – the one easily accessible image is copyrighted and shows that the actual boat isn’t worth going to any trouble to get a free use one of (it looks like a raisin!). Cheers, Ranger Steve (talk) 11:29, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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The article was kept by Dana boomer 16:13, 5 June 2010 [4].

History of the Australian Capital Territory

Review commentary

Notified:
Top 5 users in edit count: PDH, Martyman, YellowMonkey, Chrisfromcanberra, CJLL Wright;
WikiProjects: Australia, Canberra, Australian history, Politics

I am submitting the above featured article (orginally promoted in 2005) for review as I believe it falls short of the current featured article criteria. Specifically, I am concerned about the following potential deficiencies:

  • Criteria 1B: Comprehensiveness
    • Article seems largely comprehensive; however it has no information past about 2003. Did nothing notable happen in the ACT since 2003?
  • Criteria 1C: Well-researched
    • Large number of [citation needed] tags, some added by me in places I thought appropriate to add citations, but in other locations in place since 2008. 47 total citation tags in the article.
    • Also, 5 of the 12 general references, along with several of the websites, are apparently published by the Australian government (Australian Government Publishing Service or Australian Bureau of Statistics). Does this possibly create a WP:NPOV issue? Concur that this specific concern is addressed; however User:Fifelfoo does raise good concerns regarding overall coverage and article scope below. –Grondemar 04:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Criteria 2C: Consistent citations
    • Citations are not consistent in the general references.
    • Additionally, three general references are written by "Fitzgerald"; however, the detailed (referred to on the article as the cited) references list page numbers against "Fitzgerald", making it impossible to determine which of the three books is being cited. Concur this is addressed, User:YellowMonkey moved two of the three Fitzgerald references to a "Further Reading" section, eliminating the ambiguity. –Grondemar 04:23, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Criteria 3: Images
    • All images are tagged as freely licensed. However, when I initially reviewed the article they all lacked alt text. I took a stab at providing the alt text, but would appreciate an independent review of my efforts to ensure I did it right.

Thank you for your attention. –Grondemar 04:29, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing particularly notable since 2003, no. This shouldn't be terribly surprising in an article covering a period of more than a century. And - seriously, claiming that the use of government sources in a history article is an NPOV issue? Now I've seriously heard it all. The citations need fixing nonetheless, however. Rebecca (talk) 05:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The books I used that were printed by AGPS had the disclaimer that although the govt paid and commissioned the works for the 1988 bicentenary of Australia, the folks were free to do what they want and the books don't represent govt policy. They were by uni academics or PhD thesis adaptations, so I don't think they would have wanted to stuff up their career by disguising a govt mouthpiece. Also the Australian Broadcasting Corporation should be fine, like the BBC, and the Australian Bureau of Statistics is just the census, which hasn't been accused of rigging stats. Luckily Australia doesn't have govt propaganda in teh news, and the ABC is usually govt-sceptic; govts (Labor or Liberal) often denounce them. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 06:36, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I didn't realize the nature of the AGPS publications. I struck that concern above. Thanks. –Grondemar 04:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

For comprehensiveness, the 20 yr anniv news feature I added mentions the civil unions law that got overruled by the federal govt and some school funding cuts. It may be similar to the feds overturning Euthanasia in 1995 in the Northern Territory. I don't follow LGBT stuff at all, so am waiting for someone who does to say something, because lots of AWNB people do pay attention to that stuff. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 06:36, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If we're going to add anything past 2003, those two issues are probably the two things I'd choose. The euthanasia comparison is apt on civil unions, and the school closures (and accompanying cuts to practically every other government service) was a genuinely massive local issue. Rebecca (talk) 07:37, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Contradiction? The 20 yr anniv piece says Labor had 4 seats in 1989 and a majority in 2001 and 2004. Antony Green's ABC election site, also cited, says they had 5 in 1989 and a majority of 9 in only 2004 YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 06:36, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Strangely, they're both wrong. Labor had six seats in 1989; it was the Liberals who won four. Green is right on the majority question though; the 2004-2008 term is the only term of the ACT parliament to ever have had majority government. 2001-2004 was a minority with the Democrats and independents. Rebecca (talk) 07:37, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The text on both maps is ridiculously tiny. Can the text be boosted? The captions are not well written. The pic of the Senators needs to be larger, as does the naming of Canberra and others: perhaps 240px? Tony (talk) 11:42, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • I enlarged the non-map pictures to 240px, and the maps to 480px so the text was readable. Let me know if this is too big. I also rewrote some of the image captions; please review. –Grondemar 05:14, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've dug up some sources which should help with the comprehensiveness issues. In the meantime, though, I'm starting work on the boring stuff: I'll try and get the references in a consistent format, per above. :) - Bilby (talk) 14:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Moved down, since it's stalled. I'd like to think I'm not being corrupt and doing jobs for the boys YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough - the new semester's been limiting my time, but I'll be continuing work on referencing. I'm feeling ok about this one, given time. :) - Bilby (talk) 03:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Switched the harvard for you. Good ol Find and Replace YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 05:43, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FARC commentary

Featured article criterion of concern are referencing, comprehensiveness, images YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How is work progressing on this? Do the working editors feel that enough progress has been made for reviews and keep/delist declarations to start? Dana boomer (talk) 16:07, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bilby has always saved every FA he signed up for: Shrine of Remembrance, Waterfall Gully, South Australia, Dietrich v The Queen, Cane toad, so I don't think waiting a bit more will go astray. YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:35, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Work seems to have stalled for the past couple of weeks, so I'm just checking in again. It would be great if Bilby could post here with an update on where he feels the article to be. Dana boomer (talk) 20:32, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've finished with the reading - today I'll be able to clean up the missing references, now that research is out of the way. There should be some nice progress by tomorrow. - Bilby (talk) 21:06, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry - an emergency bit of coding kept me busy. I've freed up tomorrow, though - I would like to see most of this done by the end of the week. Things tend to go quickly once I've got the research phase done. - Bilby (talk) 15:02, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Everything that was marked as unreferenced, or which I identified as needing one, has been referenced. There's a couple of areas where it probably should be expanded a tad, and I'll see what I can do to fix them over the next day or two. - Bilby (talk) 09:28, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I thought you were going to expand it massively with all those books you dug up. Did you read a lot for not much gain? :( YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 09:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Still doing that. First problem is to make sure that there are sources for everything, as sourcing someone else's stuff is so much harder than writing your own. Three major areas of concern are the establishment of the location, the relationships with the indigenous population, and the law stuff. Location I'll make a shot at tonight, relying mostly on Birtles as the best academic source I could find. Indigenous population issues are a tad harder due to some discrepancies between works: hard to know if they represent recent research or changing sensibilities, so I'm hoping to have that clarified. Law stuff is easy, just dull. - Bilby (talk) 09:41, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As far as sourcing other people's stuff, depends on if the article follows or is a neat subset of any standard book. For this article, and Lake Burley Griffin and Canberra, the history didn't seem to match up anyway and the books were not written chronologically. The part of this article that I did took ages, but for Flag of Australia and Tom Playford it only took about 5-6 hours as they all matched Kwan and Cockburn quite seamlessly YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 07:33, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to be stuck on a boat somewhere of the coast for a few days, so I've taken a copy of the page and the readings. I should have most of this done by the time i return, but won't have internet access in between. - Bilby (talk) 21:20, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bilby, I see you're back and editing. How is work going on this article? It's the second longest running FAR, so it would be nice to be able to get some reviewer's eyes on it. Dana boomer (talk) 23:41, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've finished expanding the section on the selection of the site for the ACT - that was my major concern, as it seemed that this was one of the most important topics. I've got a couple of sections to do today, then I'll sit down and go through the remaining issues raised on talk. It should be getting close, though. - Bilby (talk) 23:56, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
YellowMonkey has been teaching me about that. :) I'll take care of it today. - Bilby (talk) 22:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Bilby, how is this coming? This is the longest running FAR at over 3.5 months - it would be really nice to be able to tell some reviewers that the article is ready to look at. The last serious work was over a week and a half ago... Dana boomer (talk) 02:18, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Uni started again, so I had to get my lectures ready. :) I've expanded most of the sections that need it. I've identified the last section that I believe needs work, and I've read through the papers related to that. Normally I let that sit for a few days after reading to make sure that I'm not overly affected by the wording in the sources, then I try and get that down. I've got a bit of time today, so I'll get back into it now, and we should have that done. This should allow it to be ready for more review, as my main concern is comprehensiveness, and this should finish that off. - Bilby (talk) 02:40, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have done a bit of work on the article, including adding some omitted facts and refs that i think are significant. I see two things that need to be fixed for this to be OK to close, a minor one and a more major (but editorial) one:
  • Someone added a source "Wettenhall 2009" but didn't put it in the biblio and I have no idea what it is. This needs tracking down.
  • The section "Resumption and disenfranchisement" is given seriously undue weight and is overwhelmingly based on a single article in a local historical journal, and what appears to be an unreliable webpage. It needs to be slashed, probably to about a para. I'm willing to have a go, but just flagging it in case it causes protests. hamiltonstone (talk) 03:08, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • That section was to address the concern raised in regard to FAR that there was insufficient discussion given to what happened to the people who were there prior to the formation of the ACT. That said, having it shorter works for me. :) - Bilby (talk) 03:59, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unimpressive, to say the least.

  • Why is "Australia" linked a quarter of a second after "Australian Capital Territory". Should a link be bolded?
  • The link piped to "administrative division" leads somewhere underwhelming that is also tagged as low quality.
  • "In 1908, the region was cast into the national consciousness when it was selected as the site of the nation's future capital city."—the national consciousness is a little precious, isn't it?
  • "Pipe to "federal government" rather than "Government of Australia", yes? Isn't that clearer after federation was announced in the opening sentence? Comma before "and". Bin "also". Oh "Commonwealth" should not be used for an international readership, which will confuse it with the British Commonwealth, alive and well at the time. What does "It" refer to? A with + noun + -ing clumsiness. The last "Australian" in the lead ... we've seen that word enough, so remove it as redundant.
  • "The city of Canberra developed and expanded to accommodate the Australian federal government, while the surrounding area has been developed to support the city,". A second before it's just "Canberra". Mixed tenses. Developed twice. City twice. This is a bombsite.
  • Why not round off the lead by saying that "with the Northern Territory, it has become one of the eight second-level jurisdictions in Australia, along with the six states"? Not quite "autonomous"—the federal parliament can veto ACT legislation in a way that it can't veto state legislation. Needs pointing out that the ACT was given a full Westminster parliamentary system (way over the top, but there you are). And we need to be told that previously it was administered by the federal parliament both directly and through a local government entity.
  • The map: yes, it would have been better to enlarge the text and keep the px width a bit smaller: it's larger than life now, and the text on my display is squashed to about two words a line. At the very least, "center" it in the syntax and start the text under it. The second map has similar problems.
  • "km²" links to "square metre": oh dear. And shouldn't it be converted for US, Burmese and Liberian readers? WP:LINK says not to link. And then "kilometres" is spelled out. Then I see miles converted into km: other way around, please (unless a quotation).
  • Refer to as "the Territory", or why not "the ACT", rather than rehearsing the full thing?
  • "Further south into the area that is now a part of the Namadgi National Park." Is that a sentence? And "into" is presumptuous of motion. Stubby sentence structure in places.
  • I think this is fixed. Sentence reads "Settlers moved further south into what is now the Namadgi National Park." I thinnk the "presumption of motion" is fine in this context, if not to everyone's taste. hamiltonstone (talk) 04:24, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "establishing Australia as a major global wheat producer"—global is a bit pufffy (no sales to Mongolia, I'm sure); surely "a major wheat exporter"?
  • ?? Seems fine to me. No-one would translate "global" as meaning "Every single country". And producer isn't the same thing as exporter.
  • NSW government, which I like, but earlier "Government of NSW" with G. Australians don't usually use the "of" terms, do they? Perhaps WP articles are named such for international consistency, but I'd pipe where linked.
  • A few of those old pics: is their res so low that they can't be enlarged a bit?
  • I get confused about this stuff - i thought we weren't suppoesd to 'force' sizes below 300 px or something, and i don't think these should be bigger than that, but i'll take advice. hamiltonstone (talk) 04:29, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is a pity. Why aren't these issues being attended to? Where is Rebecca? We quarrel, but she is a good writer. Tony (talk) 12:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gentlemen, how is work on this progressing? I see that some work has been progressing on the article, but there has been no response to Tony's comments in the past week. Dana boomer (talk) 00:49, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Tony's points are generally valid, but some would seem to have been quicker to fix than to explain here. Rebecca is more-or-less retired, to answer Tony's last question. There's a couple of us tweaking away, but really, i don't see this as a delist. hamiltonstone (talk) 04:08, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK, ceding the point to Tony. Just took a complete hatchet to the verbose section "Search for a capital city location". Let's see what others think of it. hamiltonstone (talk) 12:19, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I read/skimmed the whole article. Comprehensiveness, prose, images and referencing now all look up to FA standard. A couple dabs and dead external links need to be fixed though. --mav (reviews needed) 23:19, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep—as the original nominator, all of my concerns have been addressed. In my opinion, this article now meets FA standards. Special thanks to Bilby and Yellowmonkey for all their hard work in improving this article! –Grondemar 03:13, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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Henry James

Review commentary

Notified: WikiProjects

Article is unsourced in many parts. Many of these passages are not equivocal fact, but relate to critical analysis and classification. The whole legacy section is not sourced, most notably the summarising claim at the front. Various things are labelled as trend-setting or turning points but are not sourced YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:56, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FARC commentary

Featured article criterion of concern are sourcing YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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S-mine

Review commentary

Notified: Listed Wikiproject MILHIST

Article picked from the top of WP:URFA. Many paragraphs have no citation. Six different footnotes used. Two are books with no page number, two are websites; both are amateur websites/one-man-bands YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:34, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments:
    • There are a number of paragraphs without citations and those that are there are a little unclear;
    • The last sentence of the first paragraph of the History section needs a citaiton;
    • There is currently a mixture of US and British English (armor and armour in the article; defence and defense, etc.)
    • there should be a section on design and production in my opinion, because currently it is really only mentioned in the lead;
    • the history begins when the mines were first encountered by the Allies, but that is not where the mine's history actually began;
    • there is a large amount of whitespace in the Usage section on my screen (although that might just be me). — AustralianRupert (talk) 11:58, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Sources and citations: many paragraphs and claims have no citations.
  • comprehensiveness: as Rupert pointed out, the history is incomplete (although that may be a source thing);
  • Prose: Prose is pretty good, and the minor problems of mixed British/American usage could be fixed without much hassle.
  • Illustrations, etc.: I didn't check the provenance of the illustrations, but it did seem suitably illustrated and documented. I liked the diagram of the mine.
Unless someone can be found who has the literature to fix this, it should be delisted. Auntieruth55 (talk) 17:04, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I just did a minor ce on this, to fix some of the more glaring errors, and delete some of the repetitive material. Auntieruth55 (talk) 18:06, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Antieruth, see the FAR instructions, keep or delist are not declared in the FAR phase, whose purpose is article improvement and identification of specific issues that need to be addressed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:46, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FARC commentary

Featured article criterion of concern are comprehensiveness, sourcing YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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