Talk:Floyd Mayweather Jr.

The Real No.1 Pound-For-Pound Boxer

According to thesweetscience.com in March 4, 2008 Article, Mayweather is the No.1 pound-for-pound boxer. See: http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/5718/pound-pound-list/

However, in May 11, 2010 Article, thesweetscience.com's No.1 Pound-For-Pound Boxer is Manny Pacquiao. See: http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/8013/avila-pound-pound-list/

Therefore, thesweetscience.com's current No.1 Pound-For-Pound Boxer is Manny Pacquiao.

Good Guy?

He provides meals for the poor [1] See also these minutes from the Grand Rapids Public School Board celebrating Pretty Boy Floyd's community involvement.[2]

thats right you feed the poor sexy man lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vampierslilvamp (talk • contribs) 13:12, 1 May 2008 (UTC) ALSO adam was a champion and also zeeshan they where both freinds of maywetaher

Bad Guy?

He has several convictions for situations involving alleged violence.[3]

Should this not be mentioned along with the domestic violence acquittal, given that he was required to clear this charge in order to keep the fight? And he has two prior convictions for Domestic Violence prior to the reported acquittal according to this news report.[4]

I have declined to insert these items directly into the article as I am unsure of treatment of such items.

Please include the article from insideboxing.com (http://www.insideboxing.com/Columnist/frank_gonzalez/sharkies_machine_april_21.htm). It states "HBO’s Jim Lampley and George Foreman discussed hand injuries with references to Floyd’s recent hand problems. They said that Mayweather has been known to use hand-injected painkillers like Xylocaine, which is illegal in some states. Such painkillers could be more dangerous in the long term, since fighters with numbed hands hit harder since they cannot feel their hands at a time when they could be unknowingly damaging them." Mayweather is hypocrite. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.75.20.72 (talk) 08:44, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Timeline

Outdated: "De La Hoya has been quoted as saying his goal is 2 million buys, which, given the amount of time still remaining to promote the fight, is a definite possibility."

We cant decide based on opinion we need sources.The commentators say he's the best pound-for-pund boxer in the world and so does Oscar DeLahoyaSistersboy 12:04, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Removed clear NPOV violation

I removed the following sentence from the section on the De La Hoya fight:

However, due to the dull nature of the fight, (Floyd was incredibly defensive and lacked meaningful aggression)....

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There was even an attempt to provide a reference so one is forced to draw the conclusion that this is the editor's opinion and clearly violates both the letter and spirit of the NPOV policy.

At the very least, if the editor is a boxer or expert on boxing (Burt Sugar?), then this would count as original research, another no-no.

Also referring to the subject of the article by his first name is un-encyclopedic since Mayweather doesn't go by one name as some celebrities do (e.g. Raven).

The article also has numerous un-sourced quotes that clearly need to be fixed. I did not have time to search/list them all; only the ones in the aforementioned section.

I'm also adding the appropriate tag to the section.

PainMan 07:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Stats?

Hatton fight reported as 10th rnd TKO not 9th

Hatton KO?

I says Mayweather won by KO but it was actually TKO, change it or unlock the page already —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.141.19.40 (talk) 10:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

it has been changed Sennen goroshi (talk) 14:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

good for you. nice description of the fight too. 1 line. nicely done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.46.10 (talk) 19:23, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

He did win by KO. ref stopped the fight when Hatton was knocked down and wasnt gonna get up. KO —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.2.50.9 (talk) 19:44, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

How could he know? The ref stopped the fight. TKO. Learn, jackass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.53.151.203 (talk) 20:31, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

the fight was stopped due to 3 knockdows in a round, there was no count, thus a TKO a KO only occurs when you fail to answer a 10 count. Skitzo (talk) 22:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

No it wasnt stopped on a 3 knock down - and I dont think that that rule was even in effect last night! It was a TKO because the RSF as he deemed the fighter was unable to continue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vintagekits (talk • contribs) 22:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

ah sorry, my mistake, either way it was still a TKO not a KO. Skitzo (talk) 22:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

You are making a habit of being wrong! ;) --Vintagekits (talk) 23:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

can you stop reformatting how i post, it's very annoying. Skitzo (talk) 23:14, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll tell you what is annoying and that is people not indenting their comments - when you reply to comment you are supposed to make an indent. Please format correctly and no one will have you reformat your posts.--Vintagekits (talk) 12:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

"I knew it was going to be tough," Mayweather said. "That's why I didn't do anything halfway. He was definitely the toughest competitor I've ever faced."

Associated Press http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jcyNIpIR8zr3Tt8fvFrvy9DDenbAD8TE03H00 I think that, when you have achieved what Hatton has, and given that this is all we know of Floyd's reaction to the fight at this point, it is perfectly reasonable to put this at the end of the article just before it mentions his 2 year retirement. Fair enough? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.254.81.209 (talk) 00:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

In sentence "however, replay video showed that Hatton's alleged punch didn't even land." The words "alleged" and "even" imply that the encyclopedia has an opinion about this being an unjust call. Changing it to "however, replay video showed that Hatton's punch didn't actually land" would be a better choice of words to ensure that the encyclopedia remains neutral and simply states fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.225.17.17 (talk) 16:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

penis anatomy

I was just looked up this page to see who won the match and someone hacked this article so some anatomy of a penis covers the screen! Will someone please find out who the hell did this, and ban him from editing PERMANENTLY! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.75.102.66 (talk) 16:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Floyd Joy Sinclair?

Someone in the article claimed that Floyd Mayweather was born Floyd Joy Sinclair? It this true? If it is, then a source online or anything should be applied so that it'll be confirmed. 202.69.177.61 (talk) 02:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

A source may have been added but it appears there that the name Sinclair was merely the surname of his mother before marriage. I can't say that this is acceptable. 122.3.106.142 (talk) 15:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

If you look at the timeline below the picture of floyd it says right there that he was born floyd joy sinclair. Rvk41 (talk) 02:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

MMA

Why is the completely bias MMA controversy section back up?! Do the mods have something personally against mayweather? put in both sides!! Mayweather offered chuck liddela million dollars - He didn't get intimidated into apologizing - floyd could care less about dana white buying tickets with sean sherk to see his fight - that was simply thier way of trying to get publicity for ufc at the biggest ppv event of all time! take it down or fix its obviously bias nature this is ridiculous.

The MMA Controversy section of Floyd's page is completely biased in supporting a UFC depiction of the situation, furthermore its sources don't back up anything. the Cite for Floyds retraction is merely a cite to his boxing rec page. This illustration of the chain of events is structured to look like Floyd Mayweather was "intimidated" into retracting which is not at all what happened. Floyd rejected Dana Whites offer because it was a very low 2 million dollars. Floyd counter offered Dana White for Chuck Liddel to not even fight a champ but merely a 10-0 boxer. Much of it was a hype campaign by both parties, because as evidence Dana White has only offered one fight for a boxer to compete in MMA and has denied his own fighters the opportunities on two separate occasions for UFC champions to face boxers in their respective sport. Change its bias nature and post the other side as soon as possible.

Floyd offering the 1 million (http://www.mmapunch.com/2007/03/31/floyd-mayweather-talks-smack-about-the-ice-man/)

Floyd saying ("Why would I go into a sport paying hundreds of thousands when I'm in a sport paying $20 million?" Mayweather said. )http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=dw-mayweather041807&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

The highest offer Dana White ever made was 2 million - find a source to prove me wrong, and please fix the page.

I heard Floyd might do MMA.. anyone know anything? —Preceding

yeah he was talking about it but i doubt he'll do it.

Can someone please update the MMA section, the style is too informal and one-sided —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bertje82 (talk • contribs) 16:03, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

its backed up by sources, find better ones, as i understand thats exactly what happend —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.75.141 (talk) 21:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

• I have summarised the information into a short paragraph; it need not be any longer than this as it was a minor part of Mayweather's career that led to absolutely nothing. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 13:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

why was this section taken out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.252.141.3 (talk) 13:54, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

WWE

How can Mayweather 'lose' this fight it's not possible. The result is already known. Big Show cannot injure Mayweather either as then that injury would have to occur in reality. There will probably be some kind of interference from Rey Mysterio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.51.181 (talk) 06:53, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

On the 2/18/08 edition of Raw, Floyd accepted a challenge to fight Paul Wight, aka the Big Show, presumably at WrestleMania XXIV. Minizilla (talk) 03:14, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

unsigned comment added by 67.169.225.199 (talk) 02:43, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

It is in the article, but we can't put in that it is at Wrestlemania, because there is no guarantee of this, and that would be a violation on WP:CRYSTAL. LessThanClippers (talk) 20:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually we can't put it in the article either because that is we dont put week by week events. or in this case day by day. WP is an encyclopedia not a news site. We will add it once we have a set location of when it will be added, or after it happens.--TrUCo⁹31¹ 00:06, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I would say it is already notable enough to say they had a stand off and agreed to a match, since its a special one time situation and not our usual type of match. We put that pac man jones had agreed to a match. It is already notable, its on non wrestling news sites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LessThanClippers (talk • contribs) 00:15, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Just give it time, or if you want to add it that bad add a small sentence. --TrUCo⁹31¹ 00:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

All that was in there was that he had agreed to a match against the Big Show. Thats notable. LessThanClippers (talk) 00:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Well go ahead and write it, make sure you source it =)TrUCo⁹31¹ 00:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

We don't know when the match will happen, just that a match will eventually happen. TJ Spyke 02:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

• This bout will not be on his official boxing record, will it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.131.125.172 (talk) 04:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Good point but I think that he'd want it on his record fake or not it's no mean feat to defeat a 7 foot giant. The actual match type has not been specified but I presume it will be a boxing match. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.51.181 (talk) 06:53, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

why is he doing this anyway? is he trying to tell us that boxing is fixed? 86.138.167.124 (talk) 14:56, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

im a huge wrestling fan, but someone wrote on his page that is record is 40-0. However we all know that this does not count on his profesional boxing record. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyrule Historian (talk • contribs) 20:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

WM 24

the Match with the Big show Will be a MMA Fight it said it on raw the other day, So By Means Floyd Will Box During the Match and the Big show will wrestle.Big show lost Mayweather won the match.

Worthy of an article?

Sure, he's reknown. Sure, he might have defeated a couple of journeymen and paper champions. But does this waste of flesh truly deserves a Wikipedia article? I think not. And what I think stands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.222.230.206 (talk) 04:15, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

PRETTY BOY FLOYD? YOU AIN'T PRETTY ASS HOLE! YOU HAVE NO BALLS! COWARD! FIGHT LIKE A MAN! FIGHT PACQUIAO!

De la hoya fight

why is the de la hoya fight red on his record and all the others green, he won the fight, it should be the same as the others, doesnt matter if it was a split decision, he still won so make it the same as the others —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.35.103.196 (talk) 12:41, 14 August 2008 (UTC) floyd is the best

Other Criticisms

Not sure if it is worth mentioning or not, but a couple of the main criticisms of Floyd in boxing is that he avoided several significant challenges during his career, choosing to instead focus on picking up as many belts as possible, regardless of their legitimacy. For example, as a welterweight, he chose to fight Zab Judah for the IBF title, after Carlos Baldomir had upset Judah for the true welterweight championship. In addition, at 147, he turned down significant money to face Antonio Margarito -- a fighter most felt would be the biggest test of his career. He also chose to move up to junior welterweight rather than try to unify the lightweight title against Paul Spadafora. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.163.65.34 (talk) 02:53, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

WWE Question

Why is there no mention at all of his WWE appearances? He was in quite a big angle and it seems stupid to just leave it out like it never happened. The main picture on his article is a picture of him in a WWE ring, how do you explain that picture without having any references to his WWE appearances? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.154.242 (talk) 17:11, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

MANNY THE WACKMAN IS A BITCH

fight record

sum1 fix the fight record it has hatton on the same line as marquez

•  Done --aktsu ^(t / c) 11:04, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

comments on mma

In a July 2009 interview with CBS Sports, Mayweather once again criticized MMA by saying, "MMA is for beer drinkers. I'm a monkey and I like running away from people as I fight them."

Mayweather never referred to himself as a monkey who likes to run away from people when he fights them, this is obvious derogatory vandalism, in fact i dont even think a comments on mma section even belongs on here, its obviously biased.

•  Done --aktsu ^(t / c) 11:04, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

all there is in that section is quotes of what mayweather has said and others have responded (with the exception of the iron ring thing), its in the correct order and rather complete to my knowledge, however feel free to edit it if you find diffrent quotes mayweather made about mma —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.76.142.200 (talk) 03:53, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Mayweather dose not want to figth Sugar shane Mostley. Mostley call him out. Floyd Mayeather said no I would not fight fight you.

Marquez

The Marquez fight is not on the fight record??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.87.155 (talk) 16:44, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Good and Bad Editor

It seems obvious that vandalism is occurring, but not knowledgeable enough about subject to determine where to revert to. User:Cluebot caught some, but not all of it. Thatguyflint (talk) 08:00, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

LOCK THIS PAGE ALREADY!!!

  WHY ISN'T THIS PAGE LOCKED LIKE THOSE OF SIMILAR FAME AND STATURE???  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.33.78.130 (talk) 09:23, 18 November 2009 (UTC) 

Use of Illegal Drugs

In an article from insideboxing.com (http://www.insideboxing.com/Columnist/frank_gonzalez/sharkies_machine_april_21.htm), it states "HBO’s Jim Lampley and George Foreman discussed hand injuries with references to Floyd’s recent hand problems. They said that Mayweather has been known to use hand-injected painkillers like Xylocaine, which is illegal in some states. Such painkillers could be more dangerous in the long term, since fighters with numbed hands hit harder since they cannot feel their hands at a time when they could be unknowingly damaging them." Mayweather is hypocrite.

Several reports have hit internet news outlets stating that Mayweather himself has used Xylocaine in the past to treat his ailing hands before fights. Read this link: http://www.perfectpeople.net/article/13119/4106585/jim-lampley/mayweather-bombshell-fighter-said-to-have-used-xylocaine-for-ailing-fists-.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.200.156.108 (talk) 03:01, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Coward.

Floyd Mayweather has ducked many fighters such as Mosely, Cotto, Margarito and even Jose Consaco. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.160.142.8 (talk) 12:28, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

It's funny...floyd's page has a lot of errors and a lot of people hate him...he's not a great boxer after all —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rico sedano (talk • contribs) 00:30, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

"Comments on MMA"

Please stop adding this section, it holds no relevance in the scheme of his life. Nothing came out of it. He said in part of an interview that he didn't like MMA, it doesn't warrant a section in his biography per WP:BLP. It defies policy to include every opinion someone has when it holds no relevance in his life. 128.54.33.196 (talk) 06:29, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

yes it does, because he made it so, do people not quote ali over his opinions on other fighters? what he said about his views? the fact of the matter is its relevent because mayweather mentions it, he makes his views known, so as long as there is no bias in there (only quotes used) then it should be in there, and the fact that he had a team in the iron ring is just as relevent as the WWE (97.124.84.88 (talk) 09:42, 13 March 2010 (UTC)).

Just because he makes one of his ideologies known doesn't mean it's notable in his life. Nothing aspired because of it. He was asked about MMA and he said he didn't like it, big deal. Many celebrities say they don't like many things, you can't and shouldn't include them all. 128.54.169.184 (talk) 21:34, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request:

I'm here to provide a third opinion. I'm not an expert on the issues and I've never edited this article. The section cites no references. Without references, it should definitely be deleted. If or when wp:rs references are found, you would then need to debate if it's worthy of mention. Without the references, its hard for me to judge right now how relevant MMA, or FM's comments on them, are to his bio. Once you have references, you can read wp:undue for guidelines on what and what not to include in an article. In my opinion, if FM's banter on MMA was just isolated banter that was covered by a few news sources, it does not deserve mention. Perhaps it deserves a sentence or two in another section in the article, if the issue has had significant coverage by the national press. To include mention, you would then have to demonstrate that this MMA affair is/was a significant issue in FM's life. One way to judge is to count how many news articles were written on this MMA affair and compare that to the total number if articles on FM. I'm going to guess that ratio is small. If it were, then you should not include any mention. Similarly, I seriously doubt it deserves an entire section. To warrant an entire section would be similar to having an entire chapter in a biography dedicated to this MMA affair. If you can find a book on FM's life that has a chapter dedicated to MMA, then perhaps an entire section is appropriate. As I said before, this is just an opinion. I'm not here to judge—Work permit (talk) 22:34, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

At most, some small internet-only MMA sites and blogs have possibly mentioned it. Nothing more than that as far as I'm aware. 128.54.169.184 (talk) 22:58, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

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i disagree, i do believe, at least the first back and forth was a big deal (i do agree that the second statement didnt get much attention), he made that (any boxer could become ufc champ) statement during HBO, it came on the evening news, it was on news sites, a fight deal was drawn up because of it (granted it was rejected by mayweather), and the media only stopped persuing the story because mayweather appoligized, it probably doesnt deserve its own section, but it only got that way because people kept saying mayweather was being unfairly critcized so i took all opinion out of it and changed it to quotes only, it originally started out as part of the oscar del hoya build up and i believe two or three sentences, i do thank you for your third opiniion though (75.172.242.15 (talk) 15:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC)).

Edit request from NYYIronHorse4, 25 April 2010

MR FLOYD I CHALLENGE YOU FOR A FIGHT EVEN IAM NOT A BOXER JUST WANT TO MAKE U SHUT YOUR BIG MOUTH IAM FORM MALAYSIA AND IAM AWESOME You just born lucky to reside in usa where we not having chance and yet u dare to declare as a champion please i will crush u at any time {{editsemiprotected}} Mayweather's record is 40-0, not 40-3.

NYYIronHorse4 (talk) 06:55, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Requests to edit semi-protected articles must be accompanied by reference(s) to reliable sources.  Chzz  ►  08:34, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

 Not done

Mayweather didn't get the WBA title

It was not on the line...http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/columns/story?columnist=rafael_dan&id=5155050 —Preceding unsigned comment added by EpicPofBOE (talk • contribs) 07:27, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Pacquiao

Has now agreed to the blood tests and is just waiting for a response from Floyd. Surely this warrants inclusion. http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12183_6193745,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maktardo (talk • contribs) 14:59, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Why is Undefeated Put in Quotation Marks?

He has never lost a professional boxing contest. By definition, this makes him undefeated. The quotation marks imply that this is somehow deceptive. 24.42.94.52 (talk) 02:40, 30 June 2010 (UTC)