Talk:Noddy (character)

Citation needed

"Sheriff Sailor, A Very Young sailor Of The Ocean, Owner Of The Toytown Harbour he is a homosexual"

I think a citation is needed for this. Not sure how to do the superscript "citation needed" tag, so hopefully someone else will do this!

There's an article on the show, so I think the information on the show itself should be merged into that. --Gray Porpoise 21:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I think the proposed merge is not necessarily the way to go. Charles Matthews 13:14, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Removed nonsense added by vandle. Renski 17:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Earlier TV adaptations

This article only mentions the 1992 and 2004 TV series. As far as I can make out, there were at least three earlier TV adaptations of Noddy.

A stop-motion animated series (called simply Noddy) was broadcast in 1975 - this Toonhound article has pictures and details. Apparently, it is often confused with the 1990s series, as both adaptations were produced by Cosgrove Hall.

The article also makes mention of two older series. From what I've seen on other sites, these are The Adventures of Noddy, a puppet series made in black and white in 1955, and The Further Adventures of Noddy, a colour series apparently made in the 1960s. It appears that both of these were produced by ITC Entertainment, and would therefore have originally been screened on ITV. Pictures of these two series can be seen here and here. 217.155.20.163 20:54, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and to add to the confusion, the IMDb lists Noddy in Toyland (1957) - however, there is not much information in the listing, and the DVD shown there is actually a spin-off of the 1990s series. 217.155.20.163 21:23, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

There's another show called "The Noddy Shop," also. I don't know much about it, other than I didn't like it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.7.42.221 (talk) 00:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Merge

This article provides more information on the TV series, Make Way for Noddy, than it does on the character. Shall it be merged? --Gray Porpoise^{Phocoenidae, not Delphinidae} 22:12, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

As the new series is an update of the original, Noddy should be the main article and Make Way for Noddy should redirect to it, with the latter being a section of the former. --Thoughtcat 16:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

"Noddy is an animated series..."

Shouldn't this article primarily be about either the Noddy character or the original Enid Blyton Noddy books, rather than any later TV adaptations (of which, as noted above, there have been several)?

The opening paragraph is just completely wrong - apart from anything else, the 2000s animated series isn't even called "Noddy", it's called "Make Way For Noddy". 217.34.39.123 16:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

True you are correct it is called "Make Way For Noddy"

The late 1990s series that appeared on PBS, with live-action segments inside a corner toy store as a frame story around stop-mo segments in Toy Town, was titled Noddy. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 01:48, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Homosexuality

One of my friends told me that the Noddy series has been banned in Australia because Noddy and Big-Ears sleep in the same bed. Is this true? Fissionfox 12:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I think thats called bestiality -Dan

GOOD GOD! who do you people think you are????? that show is for KIDS!not for grown ADULTS! the idiots who put that on this discussion page should be ashamed! that is just ridiculous. Noddy is a show created for children by people who have children. and NO noddy and big ears do not sleep in the same bed... big ears lives in a forest..noddy lives in a town. GOOD GOD!

I think you will find that Noddy stays at Big Ears' house in Here Comes Noddy Again, published 1951 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.233.113 (talk) 11:39, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

  71.48.133.201 20:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)Professor Blue71.48.133.201 20:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Um, what would be so bad about a gay character or couple in a kids show anyway? What's the worst that could happen? A child grows up without homophobic prejudices and the society becomes a slightly better place because of it? JayKeaton 22:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

The moral outrage, with all its exclamation marks, seems pointless. Back in the 1970s I heard that the Noddy books had been banned from school libraries—I don't remember in which country—because of a perceived gay relationship between Noddy and Big Ears. I've never found out whether it was true or an urban myth; it doesn't seem to be in Snopes. Doesn't one book have them sharing a bed? In perfect innocence, of course. This was back in the days when most people, including the most politically correct, saw homosexuality as a serious aberration, but after the days when people commonly shared beds without sexual intent.

True or not, outrageous or not, two of us have here have obviously heard the story. The question of "who we people think we are" is a particularly silly one. It implies we are arrogant for simply stating we heard a story. If the story is true, it's relevant to the cultural impact of the Noddy books; if it's not, then it's a part of urban mythology surrounding the books. In either case it's a perfectly valid point to raise, and I can't for the life of me see why anyone be ashamed of themselves for raising it.

Has anyone got documented evidence of such a ban having existed? Failing that, are there records of the story having got around? Koro Neil (talk) 15:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Here is a link to a news article from 1999 about it. http://www.abc.net.au/pm/stories/s68163.htm. And here is a link to a book forum with people talking about the books being banned ("frowned upon"). http://www.icons.org.uk/nom/nominations/noddy-books

I also remember the books being banned (or frowned upon) in South Africa - specifically (and understandably) with the Golliwogg thing, but I also remember the Big Ears sleepover debate. It definitely happened; just maybe in a social context rather than an official one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.134.22 (talk) 03:58, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Image

I would have put 'citation needed' against the claim the image was taken from the CGI series, but found it simpler to just generalise the description. If someone can prove it, however, please speak up... but the style of drawing in that image reminds me distinctly of the books from my childhood, and not the CGI that i've been watching on TV with my daughter every day for the past 2 years... BlakJakNZ 22:07, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

This Page Needs Extensive Correcting. There's Much Vandalism Sadly, I Know Nothing Of Noddy, And So I Can't Do It. I'm Just Informing Others About It. QuietusExtraho (talk) 15:12, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

If you don't mind me saying so...

...this article seems to be a bit of a muddle.

As far as I can see, we have at least two articles here which need to be separated from one another. We have Noddy the literary character/book series, and Noddy the television show/character. Smushing them together in this way--with a character list that includes "Bunkey" (a character I've never seen nor heard of, being familiar only with the latest TV incarnation of Noddy, and which I would assume appears either in an earlier TV version or in the books only) on the same list with "Mr. Sparks" whom the article admits is a latter-day TV-only addition....Put it this way: if I was a childrens-lit student using this as a resource for a report on "Noddy" as a book series, my grades would be in mortal danger.

As I said: I'm familiar only with the most-recent TV series, and even then only with the American version. I would think someone with more knowledge of the British book series and the British version of the TV series could clean this up rather simply; then the unrelated info could be sent to "Make Way For Noddy", where it belongs, and a proper disambig page created. As I see things, one possible structure would be: Noddy (literary character/series)- one page; Noddy (television character/series)--one page, with sections on early series vs. later series, in terms of changes to characters, taboos, etc.; Noddy--disambig pg.

Does anyone have: 1. objections or additions to these ramblings? 2. time and knowledge to undertake the changes? Again, not to stick my nose in where I'm not wanted, but this article confused me, and I know that isn't the outcome anyone's looking for.Gladys J Cortez 15:19, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Can I - Autochthony - add my approval of the comments by Gladys J Cortez? Even in 2010, it seems a bit of a mish-mash. I remember Noddy from the original books in my English childhood [born early 1950s] - and I suggest that the article could well be clearly divided into 'Noddy' [original books] - and then something about the later books, TV series etc, with some idea of the politically correct changes made - 'assertive minority woman' and so forth. In the bit about 'Noddy' the original, there needs to be a mention - at least - of Bert Monkey, who was in 'Noddy and the Magic Rubber', if not other books. Thanks. Autochthony wrote - 210 10 30 1900z #### —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.133.133 (talk) 19:01, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Image caption

The caption reads

Noddy with Officer (P.C.) Plod. in his car.

suggesting they are both in the car, in which case it is a non-Brit lefthand-drive car. IMO the image is ambiguous, but action in the moving-image versions presumably makes it clear where the copper is. There's also probably a stray period.
--Jerzy•t 19:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

To the IP who disagreed that Noddy is wooden...

In the books--which predate the cartoon series by DECADES--Noddy IS a little wooden man. There are the Noddy BOOKS, and then there's the Noddy/Make Way For Noddy cartoon series. For reasons I cannot fathom, this article attempts to cover BOTH versions of Noddy, and that's where the confusion comes in. I am going to try, when I have a free minute, to work up a userfied version of what a split would look like--one for Noddy (books) and one for Noddy (animated series). Meanwhile, I've reverted to the version before the IP expresses his disagreement. GJC 04:34, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Glady j cortez, we would appreciate that very much. It does need to be clarified. Dieter Simon (talk) 01:10, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

And even in the animated series, I seem to remember from the late 1990s version on PBS, the stop-mo one without lip movement, a line "After all, you are made out of wood!" --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 04:47, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Mr. Wobbly Man revert

Each character in Toy Town represents a type of toy. Mr. Wobbly Man represents self-righting bottom-heavy toys, such as Weebles and their counterparts in other countries. I noted the similarity to Weebles in the paragraph about Mr. Wobbly Man, but it got reverted as vandalism, and I got templated. How did I fail? Must I cite a specific reliable source that mentions both Blyton's work and Playskool's product? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 04:29, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

The bottom-heavy toy category existed at least a century before Weebles; in fact, the books about Noddy, including Mr. Wobbly Man, predate Weebles by at least 10 years if not more. This is original research and speculation and it does not belong in the article. GJC 05:06, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

What article does Wikipedia have about roly-poly toys in general? If Weeble is not suitable, should I be taking this to WP:RA#Toys? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 15:00, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Probably so, yep. GJC 16:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Bumpy Dog

This article mentions Bumpy Dog, first as Noddy's pet, then Tessie's, then Noddy's again under the character list. I'm only familiar with the show "Make Way For Noddy" and not the books, so I'm assuming that in the book, Bumpy Dog is Noddy's, while in the series, Bumpy Dog is Tessie's. If that's the case (and from reading through the discussion page it appears there's no clear distinction between book and show) then that should probably be denoted.. in fact, I vote that article should either be split into Book and TV Show, in one article.. or perhaps even two? 72.90.49.34 (talk) 20:03, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

The 1950's stage show.

Noddy first appear on stage at the Stoll theatre in Kingsway, London (near Holborn Station) in 1954. The Stoll was a huge theatre, one of the biggest in London.

The cast in the show were all children or teenagers from the Italia Conti acting school and the cast was very large with a full orchestra. The finale was a scene at the “Faraway Tree” with many of the children dressed as fairies flying on wires.

What with the golliwogs mugging people and Mr Plod hitting people with his truncheon at regular intervals (with sound effects from the pit) I doubt if this show would be possible now, and also because of the cost and because of legal restrictions on the working hours of children in shows.

It ran for several years but the Stoll was knocked down and replaced by an office block in the 1960s. The Peacock Theatre was built in the basement of the new building but Noddy did not return. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephen.redburn (talk • contribs) 23:15, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Noddy is not fat

For the record, calling Noddy "fat" is probably vandalism. PBS's Make Way for Noddy page shows several main characters, and at least Big-Ears and Mr. Plod are noticeably plumper than Noddy. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 02:57, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Autochthony - who is not noticably slim - agrees. 20101030 1909z 81.155.133.133 (talk) 19:08, 30 October 2010 (UTC)