Talk:Yoshi's Island

There's no need to have separate articles on Mario and baby Mario. Quoting Wikipedia:Check your fiction; "Do not unnecessarily create small articles about largely irrelevant fictional characters, locations, objects and so on that can be better integrated into larger articles.". Write about baby Mario in Mario instead. Or write about baby Mario in this article, since he's perhaps most relevant here. Fredrik (talk) 22:53, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Removing External Links

I've decided to go ahead and remove a link in the article to a website called "VGCritics." It has nothing to do with the article aside from the fact that the game receives a brief mention. Its basically a way for the author of the site/article (who probably put the link there in the first place) to get more hits. 66.245.40.93 05:26, 12 November 2006 (UTC)kaz

Critical Reception

Its be great to see a section detailing the critical reception of the game as the artical gives no indication as to its quality. IMHO the game is one of the best nintendo have ever made and yet you can't tell this from the article. 88.110.167.14 15:15, 24 May 2006

I am rewriting this section. The part about "likely reasons" for its "failure" is complete speculation. Comparing the sales figures of Super Mario World to Yoshi's Island is similarly disingenuous — they are two games released at the complete opposite ends of the console's lifetime. Rufous 14:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, your re-write is great, it puts forth both positive and negative critical views and mentions the lack of commerical success. Hope you don't mind, I made some small edits to give proof that the information is true. 156.34.222.92 15:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I do not understand this insistence on mentioning an (uncited) negative review in "Game Players" magazine. A page such as this one from Gamerankings suggests that they were in a very tiny minority, or were just plain wrong. Critical appreciation for this game is as unanimous as it gets. Rufous 15:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

An opinion can't be wrong. ( : What we need is reviews from 1995-1996, what critics thought then. It's already mentioned that critics love it today. ( : It's like saying that Disney's Sleeping Beauty was a huge blockbuster and critics praised it when it originally came out. Which is untrue in that case. 156.34.226.37 16:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Opinions sure can be wrong. 153.104.14.64 (talk) 15:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Something has to be mentioned about how one of the reasons for this game not being successful in the US is that it is NOT a direct sequel to Super Mario World, as the title would inaccurately suggest. 172.128.165.7 00:49, 10 September 2006

I think it also had something to do with the graphics, the game was released in a time when each game was trying to outdo each other in graphical quality...then suddenly this comes along. 156.34.214.222 03:42, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

A big part of the problem is this title was released at the end of the SNES lifetime, when it was competing with newer 32 bit consoles. And just to back up what was said earlier regarding comparisons to Super Mario World-SMW was a pack in with the SNES a good many years, thus it's disengenous to compare it to Yoshi's Island. 130.126.219.176 01:55, 24 September 2006

Also, take a look at when Super Mario World was declared a "Player's Choice" title...1998. It had a much longer time to accumulate sales. Yoshi453 14:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I have to discard my objectivity, I absolutely loved this very original game. ~ Rollo44 04:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Release Dates

There are some inconsistencies in the release dates. The two sources in external links conflict; I don't know which is right. --Pagrashtak 17:38, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

When there are conflicts, and one of the dates has an "01", it's always a *very* safe assumption that the "01" is incorrect. 01 is extremely common as a placeholder for unknown values in these sorts of databases. Therefore, there is no reason to distrust GameFAQs here. --Ecksemmess 23:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Decide on a plural

We need to decide if the plural of "Yoshi" is "Yoshies" (used in the game) or "Yoshis" (probably more common) and make the article use one form consistently. - furrykef (Talk at me) 11:30, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

It's Yoshi.

aegith - I'm pretty sure the Yoshi's Island manual says "Yoshies." While "Yoshi" might be correct in japanese, since it's translated to english we must pluralize correctly (after all, they don't have capital letters in japanese - it's "Yoshi's Island," not "yoshi's island.") Not to mention that Super Smash Bros. Melee refers to multiples as Yoshis, not Yoshi - so while we can't determine whether Yoshies or Yoshis is strictly correct, we can rule out Yoshi as the proper plural (at least in the context of non-japanese releases of the game.) - 16:07, 7 September 2006

Old discussion, but for anyone reading this in the future - Every grammar book I've ever read says that when pluralizing a proper name, only an "S" is added. Think about it - do singers win "Grammies" or "Grammys"? Thus, even though the game says "Yoshies", "Yoshis" is correct. TenPoundHammer 00:07, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

The Yoshi Clan --Xparasite9 (talk) 03:00, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Stork's map?

It there any indication that the map the Yoshis follow belonged to the stork, or is even a real map in any sense of the word? I have played this game several times, loved it to bits, and have seen nothing to indicate this. Rawling 09:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Probably. 4.232.111.16 31 March 2006

Yes, when baby mario and luigi were being delivered, this was given to the stork or maybe even made by him, but i dont think its meant to be the real world, it was just a map to find and deliver the babies. 195.8.175.33 14:14, 18 May 2006

Super FX

It should be mentioned that since the game used the Super FX microchip, the quality of the game's graphics would have to suffer. 156.34.220.224 14:58, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Quite the opposite, actually. Andre (talk) 03:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Would you mind explaining? I meant that if the graphics were made like Donkey Kong Country or the previous Super Mario World game, high quality, there would not be enough room on the cartridge for the entire game. Take a look at any game which used the Super FX chip, the game play was relatively slow and the quality of the graphics were quite simple (Star Fox, Stunt Race). 156.34.231.34 03:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

You are confusing games that used the Super FX chip for full 3D graphics, like Star Fox, with games that used it primarily for sprite scaling and rotation, like Yoshi's Island. The graphics in Yoshi's Island are, for my money, the very best on the SNES. Rufous 13:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I understand now, thanks. I don't think the graphics are really that great, though. –Damon32 14:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Graphics

The part about Shigeru personally rejecting the Donkey Kong Country-style graphics and opting for a crayon-inspired design.....I find this section very interesting. For sake of my curiosity as well as for the article, could somebody find a source for this statement? MaskedSheik 03:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm the person who attempted to edit this section yesterday. I was anonymous because I neglected to log on. The section on development contains multiple errors, and perpetuates the recent rumors that Miyamoto disliked Donkey Kong:
1. "Impressed by the recently released Donkey Kong Country, which sported pre-rendered graphics, they ordered the game's producer, Shigeru Miyamoto, to move the visuals in this direction. Miyamoto ... altered the graphics to look as if they had been drawn with crayons and felt-pens, and more cartoonish, and resubmitted it to the evaluation committee, who passed the game."
- This makes it sound like he moved in the "cartoony" direction merely because he was angry about being told to upgrade the graphics. From what I understand, this is not the case: the game ALREADY was cartoony when Miyamoto was told that it needed a graphical upgrade. He simply worked to improve the graphics the graphics more.
2. Miyamoto, who did not particularly like Donkey Kong Country..."
- I would like to apologize that I get angry every time I see someone say this, BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT IS NOT TRUE. Miyamoto has repeated denied that he ever thought that. While it is true that he did resent the fact that he was told to graphically upgrade SMW2:Yoshi's Island, he never meant to imply that he disliked Donkey Kong Country. For instance, see this IGN interview with Miyamoto: http://wii.ign.com/articles/110/1100039p3.html

IGN: I'm wondering, which parts of Donkey Kong Country did you like versus not like? And what did you address with them?

Miyamoto: The first point that I want to make is that I actually worked very closely with Rare on the original Donkey Kong Country. And apparently recently some rumor got out that I didn't really like that game? I just want to clarify that that's not the case, because I was very involved in that. And even emailing almost daily with Tim Stamper right up until the end.

Naming

The precedent for moving this article to Super Mario: Yoshi Island is mistaken. Yoshi's Universal Gravitation is the world-wide English name for the Yoshi Topsy-Turvy; the world-wide name trumps the American name. However, Super Mario: Yoshi Island is only the Japanese name for the game, and is properly known in English as Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. --MaskedSheik 00:55, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

See also Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels for an article in the same situation. MaskedSheik 05:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about that. "Yoshi's Island: Super Mario World 2" is what is written on top of the cartridge, used in the booklet, and what Nintendo of America used in its own materials (Nintendo Power, and now, its webpage.) So that is the proper name, and it seems that "Super Mario World 2" was placed higher in the logo for aesthetic reasons. "Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island" is no way the proper title, just the accepted title now used. 65.78.76.109 03:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps. I'm not scholar on Wikipedia's naming guidelines, so I'll leave it to you to make any such changes. Both choices, of course, are preferable to Super Mario: Yoshi Island. – MaskedSHEIK ^{(talk)(contrib)} 02:19, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

The title of the game doesn't appear inline in the booklet so I don't know what you're talking about. Megata Sanshiro (talk) 07:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Virtual Console

In the remakes section it states that there have been no announcements concerning the game's release on the virtual console, which is true. Yet in the info box at the top-left of the page Virtual Console is listed as one of the platforms. Reason behind this? Krapehtta 19:20, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Borrowed Yoshi sprite?

How long did Yoshi's Island take to be made? Because if you noticed, the Yoshi sprite was also used in Yoshi's Cookie and Super Mario Bros. 3 (Super Mario All-Stars). Could it be that while the game was in development, the Yoshi sprite was "borrowed" to be used in these two games? This reminds me of the Mario sprite in SMB2 which was modified from SMB3 when it was in development, back then.

First off I'm testing you.

Super Mario World was his first appearance.

Not Yoshi's Cookie or Yoshi.

As for this actual topic I don't know... This is really just specualtion that shouldn't be added. Angry Sun 21:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Yoshi2-screenshot.png

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

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Plot too short...and boring...

This plot is too short. This Plot section in the article lacks much info and makes it sound like baby Luigi gets kidnapped by Kamek, then baby Mario falls to Yoshi's Island and lands on a green Yoshi and saves Baby Luigi from Baby Bowser and that's it. It sounds like the game ended before it even began, or as soon as baby Mario landed on Yoshi. Make a mention of the Yoshis venturing through each of the six worlds and castles and fortresses or something, because the plot section is boring.--Chykka207 (talk) 01:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Does it really need a plot section? its a platform game ater all.

I just lengthened it a bit to include the final boss battle. It's not much but it's slightly better than before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maddogfilms (talk • contribs) 22:31, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Reception Section

Yoshi's Island is widely regarded as one of the best games ever made yet the article barely reflects this. Can we get some review scores and quotes for the original (and remake, for comparison purposes)? I'd suggest Edge, Nintendo Power, Official Nintendo Magazine (would have been NMS back then I think) as a start. I'll look through my old issues for some quotes. Darrek Attilla (talk) 10:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

That screenshot…

Does anybody else see a woman's armless and headless torso in panties? (76.64.157.54 (talk) 16:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC))

Yes, I think someone jokingly put that there in the article as an in-joke.

I know Wikipedia is not censored, but the reason I think that it doesn't belong is that it's distracting to the article itself. Could an alternative be obtained? Just curious. Regards, 24.10.181.254 (talk) 22:15, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Mario History?

Is there anything that can be added about the change in the canon of Mario and Luigi's history? As far as I recall, the original story had the 2 plumber brothers transported from Brooklyn to the Mushroom Kingdom via a warp pipe. And that they were 'brothers' (Mario being older than Luigi, but it wasn't specified by how many years, just that they were siblings), rather than 'non identical twins' as Yoshi's Island suggests.

I remember this causing some debate in contemporary magazines at the time of the games release. Surely someone can dig out something and write in a section to beef up what is, currently, a pretty lacklustre article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.107.58 (talk) 14:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi,

Don't take the lack of response personally; chances are, not many users have seen your message, and of those users who have seen your message, none of them were willing to make the edit your are requesting. If you look at the rest of the talk page, you'll see that this talk page is pretty slow, as not many people are watching it. It's nothing against you, or what you are writing about.

Anyway, to the point: you can always make edits yourself. Many users don't want to make edits as they are afraid that they might just get reverted; but you can always be what we describe as bold and go ahead and do it yourself. One of the main things to keep in mind is that whatever you add will need to be sourced. As long as you give a source and make a constructive edit, others will always improve on it over time.

If you would like to go ahead and add the content you are writing about, go right ahead. If you would like, I can asist you if you need it; just send me a message on my talk page, whether it be about sources or the content overall. You can also write out what you want, post it on my talk page (as I probably wouldn't see it here, as I may forget) and I'll check it out and make recommendations or edits to it if need be. I'd be willing to do this this myself, but I'm busy at the moment. However, I'd be glad to help you. Thanks, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:16, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

It's not so much wanting to change the article itself, it's more a case of having an awareness of something which could be added...... But lacking the 'citations' that are necessary. My point is fairly sensible anyway, if you think about it, or have any awareness of the original Mario 'story'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.107.222 (talk) 11:15, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I agree with you; I think it would be a nice addition for the article. School's out now, so I'll see if I can find anything and add it to the article. Thanks, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 15:31, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

You come up with anything as yet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.145.187 (talk) 11:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Nintendo power released a 100+ page guide for super mario world, along with it was considerable detail regarding marios history, and i belive some back ground information. The guide was called Mario Mania, and was published either in 1991 or 1992 (91 i belive) if you can track down that i think theres considerable amounts of back story to mario and luigi. I imagine also they published a guide for this game (SMW2) which likewise would have additional information regarding this. Id check the guide myself but its buried deep within my attics mines and would take alot of time to locate.....Can anyone confrim/deny out there?Ottawa4ever (talk) 12:57, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

OK, 3 months down the road now..... Has anyone found anything in relation to this? I take it school must be 'back in' by now too.... Oh well, I'll keep my eyes peeled for changes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.153.109.131 (talk) 12:29, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Might be something; but they intend to release a 32 page booklet on mario history with the mario collection coming out this fall; [1]. Might help with the canon and offical back stories. Ottawa4ever (talk) 18:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

NO MADE IN JAPAN

Game is not anime-style —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.35.130.53 (talk) 10:34, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

SMW2 edits

I propose we look at the previous discussion pertaining to SMW on the 3DS here; Talk:Super_Mario_World#Mario_World_3d and decide (with consensus) on the wording this article should have to avoid further editing issues. Ottawa4ever (talk) 17:26, 17 July 2010 (UTC)