Talk:Arnold Schwarzenegger

Edit request from Fcheath2k, 31 January 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} Please change (under the Accidents and Injuries Section) "Schwarzenegger, who famously rode motorcycles in the Terminator movies, has never obtained an M-1 or M-2 endorsement on his California driver's license that would allow him to legally ride a motorcycle without a sidecar on the street." to "Schwarzenegger, who famously rode motorcycles in the Terminator movies, obtained his M-1 endorsement on his California driver's license on July 3rd, 2006 which allowed him to legally ride a motorcycle without having to use a sidecar on the street."

Refernces: 1) http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/us/07arnold.html?_r=1&oref=slogin 2) http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/07072006095040MWEB88.htm Fcheath2k (talk) 02:48, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

 Partly done: I added the sentence, although I simplified it (the "famously rode..." part doesn't seem appropriate in tone to me, almost POV) and moved it to the end of the paragraph. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

 Partly done: Is there some reason the accidents and injuries section is not in chronological order? I would recommend a minor reorganization so it goes from 1990s to present.Eperotao (talk) 16:44, 17 May 2011 (UTC) Re-organized chronologically. May need some editing. — DocOfSoc • Talk • 19:24, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Drghs3, 10 May 2011

Please add this paragraph between the next to last and last paragraphs of the Allegations of sexual and personal misconduct section

Arnold's alleged harassment victims also include a female employee of KTLA Los Angeles, who was conducting an interview for nationally syndicated entertainment reporter Sam Rubin. The woman, who was harassed during an interview in the run up to the 2003 gubernatorial election, told a friend "I am no feminist, but I felt violated after than interview." The victim was poised to tell the LA Times reporter who broke the story of the other harassments, but found out she was pregnant. She and her husband decided they didn't want her handling the stress controversy during her pregnancy, and kept the matter secret. Drghs3 (talk) 18:09, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

is there a ref to go with your request? Monkeymanman (talk) 18:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Without a reference there is no way this could be included. --John (talk) 18:22, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

This man is NOT an Austrian-American

He was born and raised in Austria to Austrian parents. He became a US Citizen. If he was born in America to Austrian parents who were immigrants or of Austrian descent THEN he would be an Austrian-American. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trueethnic (talk • contribs) 15:24, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I know this because I am an Irish-American, born in America to Irish parents. Where does anyone get this idea that a person who comes here from another country and takes the citizenship test becomes a _____-American? If Bin Laden took the test would he then become a Saudi-American? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trueethnic (talk • contribs) 15:27, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

You're mistaken. See, e.g.

"Irish Americans ... are citizens of the United States who can trace their ancestry to Ireland."

Schwarzenegger is a naturalized citizen, therefore he's an American. He's of Austrian heritage, therefore he's an Austrian-American. More specifically, a first-generation Austrian-American.

(Given his current condition, if bin Laden passed the test, he'd be a Zombie-American.)

—WWoods (talk) 18:58, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah, no. Irish-Americans are people like me. Born in America, of Irish descent. Arnold is an Austrian who applied for and was granted American citizenship. He is NOT an Austrian-American. Trueethnic (talk) 01:44, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, he's got dual nationality, but ethnically he is still Austrian. So you can't say he's American. Norum 06:20, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

By citizenship, he is both Austrian and American, hence he counts as Austrian-American, as do ethnic Austrians born and raised in the US. Jim Michael (talk) 15:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

He is an Austrian who got his American citizen ship. He has no American nationality whatsoever. No American blood. 75.76.44.46 (talk) 16:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 128.63.16.82, 17 May 2011

In the Family section, there is a reference to where the Schwarzeneggers lived. It says "Until the events of May 9", and this presumably refers to their separating. The year for that is 2011, but the year needs to be provided. 128.63.16.82 (talk) 16:19, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done Kinaro^{(talk) (contribs)} 01:10, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Names of household employee and child

See "Should Publications Reveal the Names of Arnold Schwarzenegger’s Former Mistress and Lovechild?" User:Fred Bauder Talk 18:29, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm surprised no one here has tried to make a separate article for the woman yet. Tarc (talk) 18:32, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

As her only notability is in connection to Schwarzenegger, I've just made her name a redirect to the appropriate section of this article. Jtropp1 (talk) 00:53, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 99.236.16.197, 18 May 2011

This section used to say that his marriage had been "terminated" which is both a perfectly acceptable description of a divorce (at the moment wikipedia defines divorce as "Divorce (or the dissolution of marriage) is the final termination of a marital union"), and a humorous pun based on one of his movies.

Recently user Nymph edited this section to say the marriage "ended", which is both a less valid description based on wikipedia's own definition and completely removes the humour.

I request that Nymph's edit be reverted. 99.236.16.197 (talk) 19:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

No, we're here to write an encyclopedia, not pat ourselves in the back for creating pop culture bon mots. Tarc (talk) 21:51, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

It seems you're opposed to the word solely because it's humorous, we should search for similar articles to see whether there is a basis for using "terminated" as a description, if there is, it should apply here as well. Drsmoo (talk) 00:55, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

They are still married, they are separated, so we need to find a better word. Technically, they will, AS Catholics, they will still be married until Maria gets an annulment in the Catholic Church. Terminated is actually the better word. — DocOfSoc • Talk • 01:28, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

"Ended" is simpler and less clever.   Will Beback  talk  01:57, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Everyone needs to remember that the marriage and the family still exist. Countless couples have been reconciled after separations. We are a tertiary source and should not get ahead of the reporting or the facts. This article in particular needs to be written conservatively, as it effects many living people, including children.   Will Beback  talk  02:23, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

 Not done: I do not see a valid reason to apply the edit, though if another user feels it necessary, please be my guest. Humor is not encyclopedic, and the alteration of a single word is comparatively insignificant to the article as a whole. Kinaro^{(talk) (contribs)} 03:46, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, "terminate" is not the joke. User:Fred Bauder Talk 03:58, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

It's moot as the overall text has been re-written.   Will Beback  talk  04:04, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 128.63.16.82, 18 May 2011

"Marriage and family" notes the wedding (Arnold Schwarzenegger & Maria Shriver) being performed by "Archbishop John Baptist Riordan". How does it arrive at "Archbishop"? I could only find "Rev." regarding John Baptist Riordan, so probably should remove "Archbishop" (along with the brackets) and substitute "Rev.". 128.63.16.82 (talk) 21:01, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Please link Cry Macho

Please add brackets around "Cry Macho" in the article to link it to Cry Macho. Keithready (talk) 13:22, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Be glad to. Which heading is it under? — DocOfSoc • Talk • 13:44, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. GRAPPLE X 14:16, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Query ? Arnold Vin Vill Voo Be Back ?

Can you add to the article the timing of Arnold's movie releases, as we wonder when will (vin vill) the Arnold be back ? fan 109 g 69.121.221.97 (talk) 04:11, 20 May 2011 (UTC) ... Term lev madz alone !

Edit request from 128.63.16.82, 19 May 2011

I now see "T he Rev. John Baptist Riordan" after having (yesterday) suggested use of "Rev.". But in the first word, please reverse the T and the now-embedded blank, because a blank space is needed just after end of previous sentence.

Dear Wiki friend, I fixed the page per your request:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arnold_Schwarzenegger&action=historysubmit&diff=429888429&oldid=429885907

Thanks! --Inetpuppy (talk) 14:38, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

128.63.16.82 (talk) 14:26, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 128.63.16.82, 19 May 2011

OK, we see this early on in the Wikipedia entry "In 2011 it was revealed that he had fathered a son ten years earlier with an employee" We can be a little more specific, because we know the child is about 13, not 10. 128.63.16.82 (talk) 20:44, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

 Already done. Kinaro^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:13, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request

The Governor of California section has a reference to the movie Demolition Man and has a note that a citation is needed. The relevant quote can be found here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106697/quotes?qt=qt0412476 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.134.197.172 (talk) 03:27, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Christmas 1996, New Years 1997 and McCall's January 1997

Nine months prior to Christopher's birth was Christmas (?) 1996 and nine months prior to Joseph Baena's birth was New Years (?) 1997. The January 1997 (Volume 124) issue of McCall's monthly American women's magazine had an article entitled "Mr. Softie. A. Schwarzenegger's Christmas" by Sheryl Kahn, where Schwarzenegger describes his family life and how he spent Christmas 1996 with his family. That McCall's article might have good information to add to the personal life section of the article. -- Keithready (talk) 12:55, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

The Wikipedia article now mentions that in June 1997, Schwarzenegger spent $38 million of his own money on a private Gulfstream Jet, "Schwarzenegger opted in 1997 for a replacement heart valve made of his own transplanted tissue." However, other articles more particularly talk about what was going on with Schwarzenegger during the Christmas 1996-New Years 1997 season. Arnold paid $772,500 on 12/29 for JFK's Golf bag and set of woods as a Christmas gift for Maria. The Schwarzeneggers just purchased their 18,000-square-foot, $11,000,000 Lake Creek Dr. home in Sun Valley, Idaho. The family Christmas movie Jingle All the Way came out, where Schwarzenegger plays a high-powered businessman who spends Christmas Eve scrambling to get his movie son an impossible-to-find Turbo Man action figure. Schwarzenegger played Santa Clause for children at the Hollenbeck Youth Center in Los Angeles, which lost 3,500 donated toys from its warehouse to thieves. The Schwarzeneggers attended the premiere of the movie, "One Fine Day" together. If any of this might be good for the personal life section, please add it to the article. -- Keithready (talk) 13:38, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Are the pictures of his secret child and mistress allowed under fair use?

In the press there a couple great pictures of Arnold's mistress and his love child. They put a face on this and I would put it in here but I'm not sure how to do this since wikipedia is so strict about pictures even if they come from press, etc. Any help in this? [redacted editorial comments] 75.174.138.177 (talk) 23:18, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Please avoid commenting on the subject. Fair use rule, as interpreted by Wikipedia, rarely allow pictures of living people since the theory is that the photos are replaceable. Also, photos of minors would be problematic for BLP reasons.   Will Beback  talk  23:28, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

OK Gotcha TY Will!  ;-) 00:17, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Avoid commenting on facts? Looks like wikipedia administrators are moderators for political figures. Quite a bit of Will's edits appear to be politically motivated.Woods01 (talk) 04:51, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Huh? Where'd that come from? If you want to comment on me, my talk page is open. Please reserve this page for discussing improvements to the article.   Will Beback  talk  05:36, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Category:American people of Austrian descent

That category should be removed, because he is only a naturalized citizen of the US, but he is still Austrian. If he were born in the US then he could have been categorized as such. Norum 06:21, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

He is American because he has US citizenship. He is of Austrian descent (as well as having had Austrian parents and having been born and raised in Austria). I guess what you are saying is that a naturalized US citizen isn't as American as a person born and raised in the US. However, all people possessing US citizenship are categorized by Wikipedia as Americans. Jim Michael (talk) 15:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

No, it's not the American part - it's the "Austrian descent". He isn't "of Austrian descent", he is Austrian. GRAPPLE X 15:59, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

The problem with this article when it comes to what Arnold is, is that it is edited by the same people who say that Obama is an "African American" President when he is in fact bi-racial. He is as white as he is black. Trueethnic (talk) 16:10, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

In Obama's case, "African American" is really a play on words. He's African American as in being the child of an African and an American, not African American as in being black. --Boycool (talk) 16:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

That's not even remotely how the term is used in the United States. It is simply a term adopted as more politically correct than "black", just as black once took the place of "colored" in the vernacular. One can have several generations of born-in-America ancestors and still be termed "African-American". Tarc (talk) 16:56, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I was just relaying the wikipedia policy on the matter, per the FAQ at Talk:Barack Obama. --Boycool (talk) 17:00, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

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Tarentino

Shouldn't we change "World War II movie by Quentin Tarentino" to actually mention Inglorious Basterds?