User talk:MSGJ

Protected redirects category

Thanks again, Martin, for your help on that last protected redirect. I noticed that the Category:Protected redirects was added the "old-fashioned" way, i.e., with a direct category link instead of using a redirect category template. Is this one that needs a redirect category template? – Paine Ellsworth ( CLIMAX )  14:28, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for the late reply. I'm not sure. What do you want doing with it? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:38, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure, either. It's an admin category, so it appears to have been "left out" when the redirect category templates were first made. When you read the paragraph on the category page below the admin box, it sounds like the long-term intent is to make all redirects protected, so as to stop them from being deleted and to sustain them as search terms. There seem to be a lot of protected redirects that are not in this category that need to be, i.e., they are protected, but they have not been placed in the Protected redirects category. It would certainly be quicker and easier to place those in that category if there were a Redirect category template such as {{R protected}} around to use with the {{This is a redirect}} template, for example...

{{This is a redirect|from move|from historic name|protected}}

I think it would be very useful, don't you? – Paine Ellsworth ( CLIMAX )  12:23, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

• PS. Martin, don't concern yourself about late replies. My life is also filled with many tasks and projects, so I completely understand when people don't get back to me in a "timely" manner. Besides, the stuff we're discussing here might improve Wikipedia— I hope it does— but it's best to be certain, and that sometimes takes time.

Hi and sorry. That was a nice gentle poke you gave me there ... what you are suggesting sounds fine to me. I've made the change to Help:A Day in the Life. Are there any others that you need me to do? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:43, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

For days, now, I've been trying to figure out what you did. You must have done some more of your magic, because I don't understand how you did it. First of all you altered Help:A Day in the Life like this:

#REDIRECT [[Help!: A Day in the Life]]

{{Redr|to main|mod|protected}}

...and I thank you very much for that! Yet I don't understand, because the usage of the {{Redr}} template (that I'm aware of) is that it calls Rcats; in this case it calls two Rcats: {{R to main}} and {{R mod}}. Now, it appears that it also calls a third Rcat, which would be {{R protected}}, but as we can see, there is no such Rcat. Yet this dutifully added protection cats to the redirect. (?) If you can explain this to me when you have the time without going way over my head, I would very much appreciate it. – Paine Ellsworth ( CLIMAX )  01:29, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Haha, I did nothing clever and it is only by sheer coincidence that it worked. I wasn't exactly clear what you wanted me to do, so I just tried adding protected to the parameters. As it worked I assumed that this was correct so didn't look into it any further. Now, examining the code, Template:redr looks to see if {{R xxx}} exists. If it does not, it will call {{xxx}} instead. So in this case, it is calling {{protected}} which adds the protection categories. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:42, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes! I see it now. So, are you happy with the cats that were added to that page, which were Category:Wikipedia pages protected due to dispute and Category:Wikipedia protected pages without expiry? If so, then anytime I come across a protected redirect that's not categorized, I shall use {{Editprotected}} to bring it to admin's attention. – Paine Ellsworth ( CLIMAX )  17:32, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

• PS. OR, maybe it would still be better to make a new Rcat, {{R protected}}, to populate Category:Protected redirects? I will do that in a few days if you don't object.
•  Done. – Paine Ellsworth ( CLIMAX )  23:05, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Now, there seems to be a new challenge! I checked the Help:A Day in the Life redirect, and everything worked out there. The creation of the new {{R protected}} Rcat took the redirect out of the other two protected cats and placed it in Category:Protected redirects. Then, when I opened that cat, I was unable to find that redirect listed! I know that the listing is alphabetical by PAGENAME and not by NAMESPACE, so the redirect should be listed in the "A's", but it's not. I did, in fact, search the entire cat and could not find the redirect. I tested the Rcat in my sandbox, and my sandbox page was correctly listed in the Protected redirects category. What am I missing? Why doesn't the "Help:A Day in the Life" redirect show up in the Protected redirects cat? (sometimes I feel like I'm losing my mind <grin>) – Paine Ellsworth ( CLIMAX )  07:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

• PS. Yes, I did purge the cat page, several times. Still nothing.

Okay, I can answe this one. When a category is changed via a template, then a null edit is required to update the category. I'll do it now. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:16, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Learn something new everyday 'round here. Thank you again for the Gazillionth time, Martin! You just helped me "purge" my neurons. <g> – Paine Ellsworth ( CLIMAX )  14:21, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

My talk page

Thanks! - UtherSRG (talk) 15:48, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

template:blank WikiLove/sandbox

Hello Martin,
I am trying to create a blank template to create other WikiLove templates. The issue I am having is with the substitution functions. Can you help? --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 07:21, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I've made the parser functions substitutable. But I don't think your last use of BASEPAGENAME is going to work, because when substitued on a user talk page, the BASEPAGENAME will be the username! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:30, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much Martin, that is truly appreciated! --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 17:05, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Re: Page requests

Could u pls send me back the source codes? Or else how can I file the creation requests? Thanks. 218.250.143.16 (talk) 18:14, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Happy to do so, if you can assure me you will follow the proper procedure for future article requests? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes definitely. I don't want to ask for the source codes again. 218.250.143.16 (talk) 00:24, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, done. Regarding List of multi-level bridges, List of stadiums in Hong Kong and Tai Lam Tunnel (West Rail Line), would you be able to expand them and/or add some references please? Otherwise they risk deletion. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so much indeed. 218.250.143.16 (talk) 16:42, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Please see

You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Stub category#Edit request to fix spacing. Funandtrvl (talk) 00:45, 29 May 2011 (UTC) (Using {{pls}})

 replied — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:47, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

WPBannerMeta: NEEDS-IMAGE proposal

Hi -- just wanted to make sure you were aware that I've proposed an implementation for the NEEDS-IMAGE parameter to WPBannerMeta that you suggested long ago, and which we discussed briefly last month. The details are at Template talk:WPBannerMeta#Feedback: NEEDS-IMAGE. If you have time to look it over, I'd be very grateful for your feedback as an experienced admin who's much more familiar with WPBannerMeta than I. Cheers! —Tim Pierce (talk) 16:19, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

 replied — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:07, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Template:Stub category/doc

The Regional stub category template was missing from Template:Other category header templates. Since it's now added to that template, the extra line under "see also" on the Stub cat and regional stub cat /doc pgs is not really necessary, since it is a duplication. Maybe you viewed the /doc pg before I updated the "other cat" template? --Funandtrvl (talk) 21:01, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Didn't even notice that template, to be honest. Reverted ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:04, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem, even though Template:Regional stub category/doc is a redirect to Template:Stub category/doc, with |regional=yes -that one line under "See also" isn't necessary anymore. It's better that the "Regional stub cat" is listed on Template:Other category header templates, since the other templates on the list didn't have a link to the Regional template. Cheers! --Funandtrvl (talk) 21:10, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your administration, Martin (MSGJ). ;) --777sms (talk) 14:12, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

You are most welome! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:21, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Template:Singles

Final changes have been made to the sandbox and an edit request has been re-made. Output of the sandbox template is listed on the talk page. –Dream out loud (talk) 21:13, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

All done. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:20, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Template:Please translate

Hi, I don't think {{please translate}} will be used (and maybe shouldn't be used), but I didn't want to just tag it with G7, since you've edited it. Inquiries at the requestor's talk and the WP:RFT talk have netted no response, so I'm fine with deleting it if you are. If you think I should take it to WP:TFD instead, I can do that too. Thought we might be able to avoid some process though. Thanks, — Bility (talk) 20:58, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Happy to apply G7 + common sense. Cheers — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:20, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. I guess this redirect and the doc page can go too. Cheers, — Bility (talk) 21:35, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Seems someone got there before me. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:20, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

list of suite precure episodes

to clarify this is a TV show from Japan. "TV asahi" airs this show in Japan so their website at http://asahi.co.jp/precure/ counts as a since sine they do the schedule. This confirms at the very least the disputed title for episode 18 since the Google translation sot of matches despite being hobiily bad and my traslation was done by a fan from livjournal as such this means I've tracked down the original source. Toei animation produces the show so I'm hoping their site can shed like on the disputed title for 19 but my machine crashes when I try. Darkcat1 (talk) 02:27, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Santorum

Looks like unprotecting was a mistake, unfortunately: [1]. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:06, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Maybe. But it's been pretty quiet for a long time. Let's watch for a bit. I'd still like it to be fully unprotected to not tie ip24's hands. I think it should be all or nothing. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 12:11, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Nomas, that was a good faith edit and not vandalism. Rollback should not have been used to revert it. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:19, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't agree (and would not have used rollback if I had agreed) -- that editor was clearly aware of the lack of support on the article talk page for his view. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 13:42, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Please read WP:VANDNOT. Even if that edit was disruptive, it does not fall into the category of vandalism. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:25, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

MSGJ, as you're aware, the content of your Talk page is entirely your purview. The comment I left was for your consumption (and your Talk page lurkers) not AN/I. I am going to remove it there. (someone replied) My concern was primarily that the request made to you was made based on false information. In spirit, I believe the editor was making an honest plea, but I feel that using misinformation to support it was a mistake. -- Avanu (talk) 13:31, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I've reprotected this article again. I think it may be more constructive if changes are discussed on the talk page. This blanking and unblanking was getting out of hand. Perhaps the article should go to AfD to resolve this? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:25, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I can tell you that several editors will say that AfD has already failed several times. And I think the vast majority view is that the article content can be kept. The real question is 'in what form?' In other words, should be be merged or retitled or something else. -- Avanu (talk) 15:35, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

It's been through 3 AFDs, and one or more detailed discussions at BLPN. Good call by the way, it was becoming a distraction. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 16:04, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

MSGJ, per WP:BLP on attack pages, this article MUST be blanked and speedied. I was following policy on this matter. i see you've protected the page, with the contents visible, please kindly blank it per policy. KoshVorlon' _Nal^uboutes _Aeria ^Gloris 15:50, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Kosh, your thoughts would be most welcome on the article talk page. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 16:04, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

KoshVorlon, the article is about a notable word.[2] It may be outrageous, but it also is a subject discussed in a vast array of publications.[3] I hope you will reconsider your stance that blanking a page that has survived three AfD attempts in five years, most recently less than six months ago, is appropriate conduct by an editor of this encyclopedia. Gacurr (talk) 16:26, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

MSGJ you're mentioned here KoshVorlon' _Nal^uboutes _Aeria ^Gloris 11:17, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Protected double redirect

Thank you again, Martin for adding the Rcats to Template:R from modification. I noted on that talk page that I defeated the {{R mod}} double redirect, but there is another double redirect, {{R from alternative punctuation}}, that is really screwing up a lot of pages (see this Special page). I think that will all go away when that double redirect is defeated. I'd do it myself, but it's protected. I also don't know if there are any more double redirects. This is probably one reason why we might want to rethink making all the "R from" templates "Redirect from" ones. The bots don't seem to get to these double redirects very quickly, and when left as they are they can really mess up a lot of pages (and categories). – Paine Ellsworth ( CLIMAX )  21:35, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Looks like Gurch and TheDJ took care of all the double redirects, to include the one I mentioned above. Best to you, Martin! – Paine Ellsworth ( CLIMAX )  22:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry this was caused by me moving the template and not checking up on the double-redirects. I'll be more careful next time. The bot can't touch to the protected ones. Regarding the names of these templates, and in view of the message below, perhaps we should move here and resolve this issue, as it would be better if they all followed the same naming scheme. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:36, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Template:Redirect from...

Regarding several pagemoves that you had committed some time ago on redirect-categorizing templates, such as this one from "Template:R from modification" to "Template:Redirect from modification", I do not believe that it was wise to do so without linking to some discussion or community consensus supporting them. For one, if you compare both Special:PrefixIndex/Template:R from and Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Redirect from, lots of us editors are more familiar with using "R from" syntax than the longer title. If there did happen to be a relevant discussion for the moves, and I happened to miss it, could you please point it out to me? :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 07:31, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I have moved a few of them occasionally when I happen to come across them. The rationale is that templates should have a clear name which identifies their purpose and "R from ..." is rather unclear as first glance. There is nothing to stop a shorter version being used as a redirect though, so there is no reason you have to type the longer name. I did try to start a discussion on this once, but there was not much response. If you would like to discuss this, perhaps it would be best to revive that discussion, and I won't move any more for now. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:32, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit notice request

Hi Martin,

Could you set up an edit notice for me at Ketogenic diet? The body builders apparently like to puff up their hobby by using the most overmedicalized name they can find. It needs to say something like:

Thanks, WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:59, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay I've added it. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:24, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:27, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Infobox albums template help

Disregard

 – Figured it out! – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 06:26, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi MSGJ, could I bother you to take a look at my request at User_talk:Keraunoscopia#Template_coding_help? I saw your name in the recent edit history of this template and thought I'd reach out for some help with the matter. I'm simply not sure how else to ask for template help : ) Thanks! – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 04:07, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Allrovi templates

Could you move the Allrovi templates that we discussed at Template_talk:Allrovi/movie#Edit_request_to_fix_URL_redirect? I re-added the edit protection request since it hasn't been moved yet. –Dream out loud (talk) 00:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

{{WikiProject Tropical cyclones/sandbox}}

Hi MSGJ. I was looking into switching {{hurricane}} to WPBannerMeta (we held out since we tend to implement custom features, but maintenance time for the template comes at a premium now), but there are a few things that are blocking me from doing a full switch to WPBM. In particular, I can't find the way to implement Category:Tropical cyclone articles with incomplete B-Class checklists anywhere, nor I can find how to prevent non-article inclusions from being fed into Category:Unknown-importance Tropical cyclone articles. We also have slightly different formatting for the comments section (to match {{To do}}'s "coffee roll" talk page format) and B-Class checklists. How would I go around modifying the WPBannerMeta sandbox to implement those features? Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 02:16, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I'll certainly look into it for you. Give me a few days? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:29, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Sure, no hurries. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 18:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Andrew Stewart Jamieson Article

Wesley Phillips (talk) 21:13, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello,

You left a comment on the change request I made on the Jamieson article. My apologies I was not making an actual change to the article. I was only making you aware that the change Werbena was attempting to make was incorrect and providing a reference. In regards to Wiki in our case they are real people. We are trying to work with your legal department regarding issues we are experiencing on your site. Now that Liptak has been banned, no doubt he'll be back, we have another issue that I have reported via info@wikimedia.org and I've contacted your legal department. Thank you for your help. You guys have done all you can. The volunteer who assisted us in dealing with the Liptak vandal was so professional and kind. We are very grateful.

Thank you

Username: Wesley Phillips