Talk:Avicenna

good sources/Rfc

[this] and [this] Notice that the editor who did all this is by far the top contributor to the article, with 350 edits. A great deal of what we have here is original research. There is a large group of articles at Iranica [1] its more neutral than what we have here. Also a good source is Goodman, Lenn Evan (1992). Avicenna. Routledge. ISBN 9780415019293. Retrieved 9 July 2010.

Avicenna quote

"So when I had reached the age of eighteen I was finished with all of those [philosophical] sciences; at that time I had a better memory for learning, but today my knowledge is more mature; otherwise it is the same; nothing new has come to me since."

Gohlman, Life, 37-39 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.58.83.45 (talk) 05:50, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Great quote. In a week I intend to start reading a bit more about Avicenna. He is such a diverse scholar that it is impossible to fix this article without at least reading a few books about him. Unfortunatley, I did not like the book by Goodman. Khan's book is much better but doesnt have the same degree of detail. This is a great quote nonetheless. At any rate, I will check out Gohlman. In the meanwhile, any recommendation for solid, impartial sources for study of Avicenna? Cheers. Dr. Persi (talk) 09:23, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

While somewhat "POV" Iranica [2] has a lot of really good stuff on Avicenna. J8079s (talk) 23:52, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes Iranica has a somewhat "universal pov" and for this reason it is reviewed by all scholars as "the MOST reliable source" (read the last pages here) ever written about things concerning southwestern Asia and beyond: in English or even any other language (see this review). EIr with more than 1500 top (mostly non-iranian) scholars as contributors can not achieve anything else than what it has already! I wished more "Iranian opinions" were included in their articles, but they seem to have one criterion: only "TOP scholars" write (as put by this reviewer: "highest standard of scholarship"). I have heard that "Islamists" hate Encyclopaedia Iranica. Xashaiar (talk) 13:25, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Misuse of sources

This article has been edited by a user who is known to have misused sources to unduly promote certain views (see WP:Jagged 85 cleanup). Examination of the sources used by this editor often reveals that the sources have been selectively interpreted or blatantly misrepresented, going beyond any reasonable interpretation of the authors' intent.

Diffs for each edit made by Jagged 85 are listed at cleanup3. It may be easier to view the full history of the article.

A script has been used to generate the following summary. Each item is a diff showing the result of several consecutive edits to the article by Jagged 85, in chronological order.

• Avicenna: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31][32][33][34][35][36][37][38][39][40][41][42][43][44][45][46][47][48][49][50][51][52][53][54][55][56][57][58][59][60][61][62][63][64][65][66][67][68][69][70][71][72][73][74][75][76][77][78][79][80][81]

Johnuniq (talk) 10:01, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Region

I removed "region", it does not mean anything, except to create the erroneous impression that Avicenna was from Persia (Iran). In fact, Persia (Iran) itself was part of the Samanid empire, which was from Afghanistan. So, Avicenna was an "Afghan Persian" born in the "Afghan Samanid empire", there is no "Iran/Persia" involved here!!! Kasparov49acer 22:20, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, the Samanids were a Persian dynasty of Afghanistan, not Iran. I added that since many Iranians have created a lot of confusion regarding the word "Persia" and they have associated that to today's "Iran". The Samanids were not from today's Iran, they were from today's Afghanistan, and today's Iran was their colony. --Kasparov49acer 16:31, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Someone keep changing my edits. When I change something, I am curteous enough to provide a short xplanation. Please explain us how or why you are trying to twist the truth here !?! --Kasparov49acer 16:34, 26 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamaweiss (talk • contribs) 16:35, 26 July 2011

Please fix your signature so there is a link to your talk page (see WP:SIG and ask at WP:HELPDESK is needed). Johnuniq (talk) 03:37, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to add more precise information regarding the regions the Avicenna resided, including the ruling dynasties of those regions. These information are taken from Encyclopaedia Iranica and will serve as a reliable and academic source. The previous regions were incomplete and did not really make any sense.--Artacoana (talk) 18:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

This "precise information"(in the form of place of birth and place of death) already exists within the template. The previous region was referenced and later removed without any discussion. Oddly the same thing was done on the Rumi article, which also was referenced by me. This appears to be more personal than any concern for historical accuracy. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:08, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

You can change wherever you find the information is redundant. However, you are not allowed to remove or revert the complete referenced section, without any reason or explanation. Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.--Artacoana (talk) 19:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Yet you have removed the complete referenced section without any viable reason! TWICE![3][4] "Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia that anyone can edit. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:21, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

It was not complete removal of everything. What I did was adding details to the regions, cities and ruling dynasties to other region. Lets have a look at the previous version. There was Greater Khorasan with no dtails of the cities and ruling dynasties associated with! Perhaps because those cities (Bukhara and Urganj) do not longer located in today's Iran? And suddenly we have Persia, with Buyid dynasty, and Hamadan, Ray and Qazvin all mentioned in the template, why? Because they all part of Iran? Is this what we want to see in a free and fair encyclopaedia? Wikipedia is open for everyone and we are advised to be be bold, trying to reach a compromise and avoid edit waring. Please instead of reverting the whole template, say where is not correct? If you are disagreed with the addition of dates, fine, remove them, but dont remove few cities and leave other in favour of a country!--Artacoana (talk) 19:45, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't we mention that his family was from Afghanistan? He was only born in Bukhara, but his family came from today's Afghanistan. Perhaps the idea that the greatest Muslim scientist in the world was from Afghanistan is too much to bear for our Iranian friends???--74.59.138.65 (talk) 03:31, 23 September 2011 (UTC)--Kasparov49acer 03:33, 23 September 2011 (UTC)