Talk:Arnold Schwarzenegger

Revised Divorce Documents.

According to TMZ, Schwarzenegger and his attorney have filed revised documents granting Maria Shriver spousal support and attorney's fees.

Revised Divorce Docs

Anyway, someone should fix that part of the article.

--99.108.248.29 (talk) 03:19, 28 July 2011 (UTC)HypoAllergenicJin Done! Ty! — DocOfSoc • Talk • 03:42, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Cool! But I think the sentence is wordy and awkward. Mind if I have a go?

"Schwarzenegger intends on filing amended divorce papers granting Maria Shriver spousal support and attorney's fees. The initial petition did not grant this and he claims to have signed the initial documents without having properly read them."

--99.108.248.29 (talk) 06:34, 28 July 2011 (UTC)HypoAllergenicJin Replaced as siggested. A pleasure working with you! Namaste... — DocOfSoc • Talk • 10:06, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

"By the age of 30, Schwarzenegger was a millionaire, well before his career in Hollywood."

Incorrect. He'd been in several films by age 30 - including the prominent role in Stay Hungry, filmed age 28 and released age 29...

Needs tweaked. --82.41.20.82 (talk) 18:43, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Codebreaker79, 6 August 2011

Codebreaker79 (talk) 23:37, 6 August 2011 (UTC) He is rumored to be in a relationship with Kimberly Frantz of San Diego. Three different sites have claimed this, I request her name be placed as his partner.

Key word being "rumored". Please provide one or more reliable sources confirming that they are in a relationship. --Boycool (talk) 00:27, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Gray Davis

IS GAY

• Schwarzenneger's father's background received wide press attention during the 2003 California recall campaign, in contrast to the absence, ever, of press reporting of Schwarzenneger's opponent's family history during, or since the gubernatorial recall election in 2003, that the then Governor, Gray Davis's grandfather, William Rhodes Davis, was described in the press after WWII to have been a Nazi Abwehr agent accused of funding republican presidential candidate, Wendell Wilkie in the 1940 U.S. presidential election campaign.

I'm going to delete the underlined material again. (It was just restored with the edit summary "Restored description of contrast of journalist focus on Schwarzenneger's Wiesenthal Center vetted his Nazi family past, v. no inquiry into 3 term Gov., Gray Davis's unvetted Nazi family tie." [1]) First, this article isn't about Gray Davis. Second, none of the sources mention this lack of coverage, so it's original research. Third, different people become known for different things, so comparisons of this type could be made endlessly.   Will Beback  talk  02:11, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

"Partisan"? "Debatable"? Although it was reported in the NY Times that William Rhodes Davis was the grandfather of three term California Governor Gray Davis's sister, there is NO major media press reporting of the fact that William Rhodes Davis, Nazi Abwehr agent C-80, was the father of Gray Davis's father, Joseph Graham Davis, Sr. Is there no place in an article on Arnold Schwarzenegger to describe negative press coverage of Weisenthal Center vetted Schwarzenegger, Nazi family ties, v. no similar press reporting related to the Nazi family background of thrice elected California Governor, Davis? California is the nation's largest state, and the NY Times, for example, ignored during four Davis campaigns, the information existing in its own archives. William Rhodes Davis

...A New York Times article, dated January 14, 1968, states that Doris Jane Davis is the daughter of Mrs. Armand M. Morell,[30] and the granddaughter of Mrs. Paul C.Matthews and of the late William Rhodes Davis.[31][32][33] Mrs. Armand M. Morell was (Mrs. Morell was formerly[34] Doris Meyer Davis, the wife of Joseph Graham Davis, Sr.),[35] the mother of, and Doris Jane Davis is the sister of, former Governor of California, Joseph Graham Davis, Jr., aka Gray Davis.[36][37] Ruidoso (talk) 02:19, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Our comments crossed. Please read mine, above. Do you want any continuity in wikipedia articles? If you do, restore my edit. Readers deserve to know that the Weisenthal Center vetted candidate was negatively portrayed because of his father's uncontroversial background, while Schwarzenegger's political opponent changed his name, and had a hidden Nazi family tie, and that the press missed this during four campaigns in the nation's largest state. Ruidoso (talk) 02:24, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

I've moved it immediately above.   Will Beback  talk  02:33, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Who says that this happened? Which secondary source (book, newspaper, magazine, broadcast news source) has raised this issue?   Will Beback  talk  02:33, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

You're serious, aren't you? You re-deleted the entire point. Here is what WE KNOW.... Schwarzenegger requested that the Wiesenthal center vet his family for Nazi background. The press, according to what is in the Arnold Schwarzenegger article, reported negatively on that Nazi family background. Gray Davis was the democratic party candidate in four governor's races in the largest U.S. state. Davis's grandfather was an Nazi Abwehr agent, accused of treason. It is accepted in the Gray Davis article that Davis's father, Joseph Graham Davis, Sr., was the son of William Rhodes Davis. I'll leave it up to you. Do readers deserve to read ANY of the details in this paragraph, as a follow on to this, in the Arnold Schwarzenegger article?

Early Life...

.....in later life, Schwarzenegger commissioned the Simon Wiesenthal Center to research his father's wartime record, which came up with no evidence of atrocities despite Gustav's membership in the Nazi Party and SA.[11] Schwarzenneger's father's background received wide press attention during the 2003 California recall campaign.[14]

I maintain that the point above is incomplete without the inclusion of some or all of what I've attempted to maintain in the article. You seem to think dotting the i's and crossing the t's is more important than producing the most informative and complete article, of a reasonable length and well documented, of course. Ruidoso (talk) 03:05, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

The problem is that you are creating a controversy where none existed. Nobody mentioned this during the campaign. Schwarzenegger and Davis are different people. Schwarzenegger's family became an issue while Davis' did not. We're not going to add to the Davis article that his successor turned out to have fathered a child with a mistress. Likewise, discussions of Davis' family based on original research don't belong in this article.   Will Beback  talk  03:31, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Will Beback, while I understand the rationale for enforcing a ban on "original" research, if, for example, reporting available to be read in newspaper archives and in probate court records informs that William Rhodes Davis was the father of Joseph Graham Davis, Sr. and the grandfather of Doris Jane Davis, and the son and granddaughter are known to be father and sister of Joseph Graham Davis, Jr., aka Gray Davis, is the "original" research ban, in your opinion as a Wikipedia administrator, so rigid that William Rhodes Davis is confined to being described ONLY as the father of Gray Davis's father, and as the grandfather of Gray's sister, Doris Jane Davis, but NOT as the grandfather of Gray Davis, himself? Arnold Schwarzenegger unseated a thrice elected, sitting governor of the largest U.S. state. Leading up to this accomplishment, the press widely covered the detail that Schwarzenegger's father was a member of the Nazi party and that the Wiesenthal Center was earlier asked by Schwarzenegger himself, to look into the backfgrounds of Schwarzenegger's father and grandfather. Since there is information, in the Gray Davis and in the the William Rhodes Davis articles informing any reader of those articles that Gray Davis's father was the son of an Nazi Abwehr agent, is the most reasonable and responsible decision for you to make, a total ban of any reference to this information about Schwarzenegger's foremost political opponent's similar family background? I expect you've already made your decision, but I hope you will take a moment to take stock of your priorities as an administrator, and your obligations to those who read the Wikipedia articles you influence.

My interest and priority is the history. Consider that Sam Pryor, Jr. flew William Rhodes Davis in Pryor's private plane to Rushville, IN, whereupon Davis offered Hermann Goering's campaign financing to Wendell Willkie. Then, read the comments at the following link, attributed to GHW Bush and to Karl Rove. http://samuelpryor.com/ Gray Davis is a democrat. Ours is a political system where the two principal choices for 2003 California recall election voters were a challenger with admitted Nazi family background, v. a sitting governor with non-tranparent Nazi family background. (Gore Vidal describes American politics as a one party, "The Property Party," system with two right wings.) Consider the opinions attributed to Bush and Rove, and the obscurity of Gray Davis's grandfather, and tell me again how I am the one "creating" a controversy. The controversies were "created" when Pryor flew WR Davis to Rushville and Willkie turned a blind eye to where the money offered by WR Davis was coming from, and when "Gray" Davis buried his own actual first and middle names. Ruidoso (talk) 04:26, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Your material is not pertinent to this article. It could be a separate article if you wish to create one with proper sources and no OR. Will beBack is a well respected Administrator, very precise and you will learn that he is generally correct. As a major contributor to the is article, I have already noted that Arnold's father was a Nazi and believe that is quite sufficient. Cheers! — DocOfSoc • Talk • 05:50, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Stock trader?

Does anyone know why this article is in the category stock trader (or American stock trader)? Other than having an ownership interest in an investment firm, is this really a defining category for him? 72Dino (talk) 21:11, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Divorce

The divorce was never finalized, plus apparently, Maria Schriver is taking him back based on her being Catholic. Those areas need to be fixed. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 13:12, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 January 2012

Arnold Was my great grandfather. I believe i know the most about him. He was a Funny man and he was an amazing singer.. He would hide it and only save the singing for me and my brothers.

168.212.247.9 (talk) 17:52, 4 January 2012 (UTC)