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Books vs. movies

There are differences from the books and movies. The article mentions the storyline in the movies and not the books. cgl. --205.211.237.189 03:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC) Yeah this still needs to be changed 213.104.247.28 (talk) 02:06, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Modus Operandi

The section asserts three different supposedly distinct aspects of Lecter's M.O., but where do these three come from? Are they cited in the novels? Or were they the interpretation of the editor who wrote them? If the latter, then it's clearly non-NPOV, since the distinction between the three is arbitrary. For example, why are retribution and discourtesy seen as mutually exclusive? "Retribution", after all, is Lecter's motive for a killing, but discourtesy is the offense that Lecter feels was commmitted against him or others. The offense committed by a serial killer's victim is not an "m.o." This is underscored by the fact that Lecter's killing of Paul Krendler is mentioned in both sections. Similarly, "poetic justice" is neither the offense or the motive, but the style in which Lecter killed some of his victims. This needs a rewrite, or a citation of sources from the novels. I've read most of Red Dragon, for my part, and don't recall this breakdown of his murders. Nightscream 00:37, 23 May 2007 (UTC) How many people did Hannibal kill in the four novels? I think that would be quite interesting to know. I can remeber 18 off hand. If someone could check that would be helpful.

It has been checked in an archived discussion, it is 28. Dr. Hannibal Lecter 22:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Should the number of his victims be added somewhere in this page? --(Unsigned)

Well, it's not exactly certain how many people he's killed. So no, also the number of people that he's killed is not important. He's a serial killer, that's all people really need to know. --VorangorTheDemon 19:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

uncertain

Noticed this: "He simply describes himself as being evil, stating that psychiatry is "purile", and wrong to categorize different kinds of evil as different behavioral conditions. Lecter then supports this by stating that the inconsistencies in his behavior are traits of pure evil, and that he does not possess a behavioral abnormality." and wasn't convinced by it from reading the books. He asks Starling whether she thinks he is evil, and when she says she thinks he has at least been "destructive" he agrees with her, but he doesn't seem to have enough of a sense of right and wrong himself to classify himself as evil or good particularly. I don't know what anyone else thinks? CO.

To me it seems strongly implied. I just don't understand a possible alternative why would he ask her if she thought that he was evil; and then upon hearing her answer about how he wasn't, counter it? In other words, what I picked up from that is him asking her if he was evil, she said she didn't believe in evil, he pretty much told her she was wrong. That to me suggests that he thought of himself as evil, and told her indirectly that he believed that he was. However, I could be wrong, but that's how I interperated it when I read the book. Perhaps a re-word of that paragraph would be more appropriate, feel free to do so. --MajinVegeta 20:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I dont think he is actually evil, he was warped due to hs childhood trauma though at the end of hannibal is showen to be tamed by love. He also only mostly kills people wo greatly disturbe him or are a danger to him. So (l think) hes really just a fucking screwball who asks Starling what she thinks to mess her up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.64.4 (talk) 22:17, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

Hannibal Lecter or Dr. Hannibal Lecter?

I'm somewhat divided on this one, what should the name in the opening paragraph be? I know frequently Harris referrs to him as "Dr. Lecter" or "Dr. Hannibal Lecter", but not in Hannibal Rising. He is just referred to as "Hannibal Lecter". Any suggestions? --MajinVegeta 05:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't see why this is an issue. He wasn't referred to as "Doctor" in Hannibal Rising for the simple reason that he wasn't a doctor yet. Technically, he's "Count Hannibal Lecter." Since he is a doctor in all the other stories that take place later in the timeline, that's why he is properly referred to as such. Nightscream 16:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

The reason why I asked is because I've edited it several times to just Hannibal Lecter, and someone always switches to "Dr. Hannibal Lecter". I'm switching it back, thanks for the opinion. --MajinVegeta 20:35, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I haven't noticed one way or the other on WP, so I'll ask: is it policy to not include such titles in the Intro? Nightscream 23:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Why Lady Murasaki Left

Just finished Hannibal Rising, and I'm pretty sure that Grutas revealing that they fed him the broth from cooking his sister while he was unconcious wasn't why she disowned him... She calls Grutas a liar, and tells Hannibal to turn him over to the police and come away to Japan with her, and then he adds "your lips were greedy on the spoon", and Hannibal snaps and starts carving Ms into Grutas face and body, and turns back to her covered in blood. She stares in horror, he says "I love you", and she throws herself off the boat. Later, she goes to visit him in the holding cell, and senses he's completely shut off inside. She writes him a letter, enclosing a burned twig from Hiroshima her father had given her, and returns to Japan. I'd consider revising, if there's no argument, as the article is currently misleading, suggesting some kind of disgust on her part for what was forced upon him as a child, rather than what he'd chosen to become as a young adult. 140.185.215.122 12:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC)Steve

In fact, I just read the summary for the film, and it is far mroe accurate. I have made some changes, i hope they are acceptable. 140.185.215.122 13:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)Steve

She leaves Hannibal because of what he becomes. She sees him as so overcome by his obsession that there's nothing left in him to love. I will veiw the changes that were made, and perhaps revise them where it seems fit. --VorangorTheDemon 19:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Your take and mine seem inline. I just disagreed with the "He is shocked to find out that he ingested her remains in the broth they fed him. Lady Murasake leaves him when she finds out." 140.185.215.122 16:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)Steve

Well, I think I recall it being subtlly stated in the Book of Hannibal Rising. --VorangorTheDemon 23:44, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi. There is a section commencing; Hannibal was a model patient for his first year. I think it may be good to mention something about his activities in prison, such as painting and his use of the memory palace. I think these are elements that are important to the character. DanCartar 08:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

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Failed GA

This article about a fictional character is not up to standards for a wide array of reasons. The article treats the character like a real person, establishing a "biography" section for him (which is still unwarranted despite being identified as a fictional character in the section heading). What needs to be done instead is to write an out-of-universe section which details the character's appearances in the books, films, and what-have-you. Furthermore, the Infobox details Lecter as a real person, filling out certain attributes appropriately; see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction)#Infoboxes and succession boxes for more information.

The "Diagnosis" section consists of original research (disallowed on Wikipedia), as it is apparently written from an editor's perspective. Such a section needs to be backed by independent, secondary sources that meet both verifiability and reliable source criteria. (Academic studies of the fictional character would be best.)

I would suggest researching this fictional character more based on interviews, credible reviews, academic studies, literature. Go to the film articles in which Lecter has appeared to see if you can retrieve any references that are Lecter-centric for usage. Also, please take a look at the following fictional characters' articles: Jabba the Hutt, Palpatine, Jack Sparrow, and Jason Voorhees, for an idea of what is appropriate for a high-quality article about a fictional character. For the record, I consulted with Bignole to critique this article for ways that it needs to be improved, and his recommendations have been included in this review. If you have any further questions, feel free to contact either of us. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 13:06, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Another note: This is not a comprehensive review; only the major issues have been broached here. There are other issues with the article as well, such as the insufficient rationales for the non-free images and the selection of external links. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 13:13, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Well I can see why it failed. The article's changed quite a bit since the last time I edited it. I added most of that stuff that Erik stated but it's since been removed. I majorly cut down the bio a while back too, but it seems that people have since reverted those edits and added it all back. Also I will say it's really hard to get info about the origin/inspiration of Hannibal Lecter because Harris is not an interview person. VERY, VERY few interviews have been done with him. Plus I totally agree with the diagnosis section being WP:OR; completely, not only partially. Harris stated that Hannibal had no diagnosis because he wanted him to be unique. Beyond that, there's really not that much interview/review/literature info on him. But I do remember reading somewhere that his last name "Lecter" reflected his love for books. In RD, he's originally seen to have a serious obsession with Books, but it kinda shifts focus afterward. --VorangorTheDemon 23:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Character Plausibility?

I’m not going to sabotage the article, but I do have a recommendation. Could someone who’s interested (and hopefully qualified) post a section discussing the actual plausibility of the character in light of historical precedents? Hannibal Lecter annoys me because he’s so far-fetched and implausible, and either despite or because of this the public just loves him. His ability to murder and cannibalize implies a failure to properly internalize social norms and mores, a process that may well continue into the formative years outlined in the fourth novel. I’ve had experience with intense mental aberration, so I can say that someone of Hannibal’s psyche would have a very reflexive awareness of how convoluted his mind is. Hannibal is just another Raskolnikov, only much more far-fetched in his failure to properly come to know himself.

I think it’s of note that two commonly-cited inspirations for his character are Albert Fish and Ed Gein, both perverts and, IMO, morons. I think the Leopold and Loeb case would be relevant. -Sethomas —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.130.15.9 (talk) 10:16, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Of course the character is far-fetched and that's the fun of the novels. Just a suggestion but maybe you shouldn't be characterising Hannibal as a serial killer. He's a brilliant child who had the extraordinary opportunity to be personally tutored by a great scholar. If the war had passed without incident he would have doubtless become a dazzling polymath and great connoisseur of art, music, cuisine etc. He would have probably married and continued the Lecter line and ensured Mischa was married to a good husband. His capacity to love was destroyed by the horrific trauma of losing his family and his inability to prevent Mischa's murder and consumption coupled with the neurological damage sustained when flung aside trying to save her. TheMathemagician (talk) 16:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't recall Gein or Fish ever being legit inspirations for Hannibal. Gein probably inspired Buffalo Bill (for obvious reasons) but as for Hannibal? I don't see the comparision.

Unless you have documented sources, arguing about Hannibal's realism in the article would count as original research and POV]. (BTW, I don't see how Hannibal is 'implausible' just because he doesn't fit the norm of other serial killers. There are dozens of serial killers with vary intelligences and psyches.)--CyberGhostface (talk) 16:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Mistake on his childhood

i corrected a mistake that i found appalling i am sorry if you guys do not agree but Hannibal Lector being my favorite fictional character in the world i think his story should be correct after killings Grutis he did not go to the united states he went to Alberta Canada to kill the final member of the Russian soldiers and then proceeded to go to the united states to study psychology. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Po0ners01 (talk • contribs) 03:51, August 22, 2007 (UTC).

Well you're right ... but i think you were taking the text too literally. He did journey to the US to study and then work and live. The trip to Canada was just a little a diversion to resolve some unfinished business. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.129.121.63 (talk) 13:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Aliases

Was Lloyd Wyman an alias? I thought he was simply some poor sap Lecter wasted in the airport underground carpark after killing the ambulance staff. Lecter may have checked into the hotel using the name Lloyd Wyman but that was just impersonating a real person whose wallet he'd stolen, not technically an "alias". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.129.121.63 (talk) 16:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

It is considered an alias because Lecter used it as his own name (willingly or unwillingly), that's what an alias is. I don't know if he ever introduced himself as "Lloyd Wyman", but he probably did for business circumstances. --VorangorTheDemon 08:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Film Section Cleanup

The film section contains two references that need citation and are poorly written. I have tagged the beginning of the section in question with {cleanup-section} and {unreferencedsection} The information needs to be removed, or it should be rewritten if sources are cited. A rewrite is dependent on whether the information is relevant and verifiable. -- OranL (talk) 10:18, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

More on Lady Murasaki

I have just re-classified her from "Step-aunt" to "aunt-by-marriage" under the "relatives" section if that's alright by everyone. Not050 (talk) 18:38, 19 January 2008 (UTC)Not050

"Mouthpiece" -> "Mask"

In "most of these parodies feature the character wearing Hannibal's infamous mouthpiece", changed "mouthpiece" to "mask".
None of the definitions at mouthpiece seem to correspond to the item shown.
I'd like to be a little more specific as to what kind of "mask" (or "mouthpiece", if that is correct) Lecter is wearing, but I don't know what to call it.
-- 201.53.7.16 (talk) 13:16, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• It's a bit of a muzzle.Myscrnnm (talk) 04:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Not Fair Use?

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Is Hannibal a narcissist?

The article states that he considers himself superior to the rest of humanity and he himself makes reference to him and Graham being different to "those other poor dullards" in Red Dragon. Also in Red Dragon Graham states that Hannibal couldn't bear to part from the message Dolarhyde sent him because it was full of compliments. Does this mean he's narcissistic? It would make sense. --Jupiter Optimus Maximus (talk) 15:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I would further add that I am not in the habit of being ignored. --Jupiter Optimus Maximus (talk) 23:37, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

LOL, are you a narcissist, 'Jupiter Optimus Maximus?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.100.47 (talk) 23:19, 8 August 2009 (UTC) + LOL, are you a narcissist, 'Jupiter Optimus Maximus?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.100.47 (talk) 23:19, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Ignore that comment, Yes, Hannibal lector is a Narcissist, after all, he is a Psychopath(obviously) and part of Psychopathy is The feeling of Superiority to others, if a person is a true psychopath, then nothing can break their ego, because the prefrontal cortex part of the Psychopathic brain dosen't work, resulting in a psychopath not having the ability to get worried asbout things and Ponder on weather they should feel pirde or shame, Psychopaths always think highly of themselves, they don't have the abililty not to.

Ignore that comment, Yes, Hannibal lector is a Narcissist, after all, he is a Psychopath(obviously) and part of Psychopathy is The feeling of Superiority to others, if a person is a true psychopath, then nothing can break their ego, because the prefrontal cortex part of the Psychopathic brain dosen't work, resulting in a psychopath not having the ability to get worried asbout things and Ponder on weather they should feel pirde or shame, Psychopaths always think highly of themselves, they don't have the abililty not to.

If I might give my two cents, I'm not so sure Hannibal's a psychopath. He shows lots of empathy, for his parents, for Mischa, for Lady Murasaki, for Clarice and for Mason's sister. He certainly has serious issues with empathy as well as a tendency to view others as one dimensional objects rather than actual people which would suggest that (like the character he was based upon), Hannibal is in fact a malignant narcissist. --86.182.51.216 (talk) 19:22, 16 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.43.188.158 (talk)

My personal thoughts are that Hannibal is either a child, or an immortal. Please don't take those words literally. He IS most certainly a narcissist. For good reason as well. His mental development can be warped for the purpose of a story to whatever is needed. This is what makes Hannibal such an amazing character. His ability to know you and understand you because when it comes down to it, his character is in every way better/worse than everyone in this world.

In the way of a child, we go around in life and explore, touching and feeling and hurting sometimes. We go through our childhood ignoring the fact that we can get hurt and we are not invincible. The traumatic event could have possibly scarred a character like Lecter enough to the point where his ability to feel guilt and shame are quite nonexistent. (Also, a child is known to soak up every bit of information around like a sponge. If one were to surround himself with as many psychological studies as he, wouldn't one without remorse delve even deeper where the bounds of morality prohibit modern psychologists from going?)

As an immortal you can see everything before you, and you soak up all of the knowledge brought forth unto you, until eventually you grow bored with the normal things going on in everyday life. Thus experimentation is born: Murder, crime and any other sort of activity that produces a rush. A man with nothing else to gain indulges in every pleasure mankind has to offer.

Thus in these ways, he's a man that sees himself as much more important, and immensely powerful compared to anyone else that has ever existed.

Pardon me for saying so, but I almost find it interesting that people with such a blind yet powerful mind exist. The blindness not to see the error of doing wrong, but the mind powerful enough to wrap their thoughts around things that would certainly perplex me.

As a final pair of thoughts: One has to wonder about the psychological state of the author who made such a character. As well, am I the only one who chuckles when Hannibal makes an ass out of the long haired doctor from that prison? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.46.1.46 (talk) 08:38, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

M.D. vs. PsyD

Is the character a Doctor of Medicine or a Doctor of Psychology? In all accounts I've seen he is referred to as a psychiatrist, but the wikipedia article lists him as a M.D. Which is it? Sottolacqua (talk) 16:27, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Psychiatrists are M.D.s- they train as doctors first before doing their specialist psychiatric training. The same way in which other specialists like oncologists or rheumatologists are also Doctors of Medicine. 86.2.35.39 (talk) 21:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Psychiatrists are M.D.'s. Psychologists hold either a PsyD (Doctor of Psychology) or a PhD or even an EdD (Doctor of Education). In some jurisdictions, one can be licensed as a Psychologist with a Masters degree. Hannibal Lecter is a Psychiatrist, and as such, a Medical Doctor. 67.252.78.181 (talk) 16:43, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Post nominals relate to degree rather than profession, lecter earned an MD in France, and this is what he puts on his signature. Also I don't think the box should say "Dr Hannibal Lecter, M.D." the M.D. stands for the Latin degree title, so Doctor is really being used twice here. AleXd (talk) 16:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree with that last bit, and have removed the superfluity. StAnselm (talk) 03:56, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

South Park reference odd

Not that this is very important, but why is South Park listed without capitalization and in quotation marks? All the other shows are listed in proper grammar, I just thought it was kinda weird that South Park isn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbednar88 (talk • contribs) 10:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

In literature

In the alternate history novel Back in the USSA, set in a world where America has a communist revolution instead of Russia in 1917, Hannibal Lecter appears as director of the Department of Health(source is wikipedia article on Back In The USSA) Sbednar88 (talk) 10:28, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Sitation Missing for Dino De Laurentiis' comments

'Dino De Laurentiis (owner of the cinematic rights to the Lecter character since Manhunter) announced that he was going to make a film (with or without Harris' help).'
Where does this information come from?

I recall it being in an Entertainment Weekly article. I think the Hannibal Rising article has it.--CyberGhostface (talk) 17:29, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I was right; It's from the February 22, 2007 issue of Entertainment Weekly, I just checked.--CyberGhostface (talk) 17:30, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Controversy over the ending?

The article says "The ending for the film was changed from the novel due to the controversy that the novel's ending generated upon its release in 1999:" but doesn't cite or explain this controversy.76.21.120.118 (talk) 16:47, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Non-fictional character??

Either I need to get away from the computer for a while, or the first sentence refers to Hannibal Lecter as a "non-fictional character". I'm pretty sure the entire series is fiction, so how is Lecter a non-fictional character? Jedikaiti (talk) 23:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Fixed. I think whoever originally made that must have forgotten the difference between non-fiction and fiction. Hannibal is a fictional character, meaning he isn't a real person. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.133.225 (talk) 03:05, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

There is no information, except for a comment in the fan book written about Hannibal Lecter by David Sexton, on William Coyne. He may be fictional altogether. No other references except Sexton's book exist in regards to William Coyne. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.20.188.211 (talk) 18:27, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Film series

I removed the following information from the article because none of it has anything to do with the character. The only crew or cast information that is relevant is the different actors who played the part of Dr. Lecter, and the different directors of the different films. All of this is already covered. The amount of money the films made is not relevant to the character at all, and such information is already available in the articles about the respective films. Can someone give a good reason we need these charts in the article? ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 22:43, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Film	Director	Writer(s)	Producer(s)
Manhunter (1986)	Michael Mann		Dino De Laurentiis Richard Roth
The Silence of the Lambs (1991)	Jonathan Demme	Ted Tally	Kenneth Utt Edward Saxon Ron Bozman
Hannibal (2001)	Ridley Scott	David Mamet Steve Zaillian	Dino De Laurentiis Martha De Laurentiis Ridley Scott
Red Dragon (2002)	Brett Ratner	Ted Tally	Dino De Laurentiis Martha De Laurentiis
Hannibal Rising (2007)	Peter Webber	Thomas Harris	Tarak Ben Ammar Dino De Laurentiis Martha De Laurentiis

Box office

Film	Release date	Box office revenue			Box office ranking		Budget	Reference
		United States	Foreign	Worldwide	All time domestic	All time worldwide
Manhunter	August 15, 1986	$8,620,929		$8,620,929	#3,658
The Silence of the Lambs	February 14, 1991	$130,742,922	$142,000,000	$272,742,922	#252	#258	$19,000,000
Hannibal	February 9, 2001	$165,092,268	$186,600,000	$351,692,268	#153	#160	$87,000,000
Red Dragon	October 4, 2002	$93,149,898	$116,046,400	$209,196,298	#473	#370	$78,000,000
Hannibal Rising	February 9, 2007	$27,670,986	$54,498,898	$82,169,884	#1,953		$50,000,000
Total		$425,277,003 (e)	$499,145,298	$924,422,301			$234,000,000 (e)
List indicator(s) A dark grey cell indicates the information is not available for the film. (e) indicates an estimated figure based on available numbers.

Well to put it quite bluntly, its pretty damn convenient for the random man searching through Wikipedia. I've had a fairly slow internet connection before, so not having to switch pages and wait two minutes to load for something is trivial as the above information is actually a rather nice, although small, luxury. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.46.1.46 (talk) 08:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

It's irrelevant to the character, though. An article on the franchise would be a better home for it. Do we actually have one of those? Might be a good idea, given that there's, what, four books and five films? GRAPPLE X 14:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

True. I don't actually know. There's information about the films and books scattered along individual pages, but I really don't know if there's a "Hannibal Collection" or something. At any rate, I think its time I finally made an account >.> Speaking of which, how do you sign these things? Four squigglies right? Luke747184.46.1.46 (talk) 07:20, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

~~~~ GRAPPLE X 18:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

A film series or franchise article needs to be created, just as with the other top-grossing horror franchises. —Mike Allen 09:13, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

critique of the concept

Some critique of the character concept and biography is missing. --41.151.115.193 (talk) 21:29, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

what Opera is played as he listens to the music and eats the brain — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.106.91.149 (talk) 03:54, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Jeopardy

This is an interesting tidbit- Hannibal Lecter was the answer to today's(3/2/2012) final jeopardy. The clue was something along the lines of "this villain was first seen in a jail cell reading le grand dictionnaire de cuisine". The category was book villains. This could be some trivia we include in the article. --70.246.143.78 (talk) 23:30, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism/Suggested Protective Lock

Suggesting a lock on this page. Multiple attempts at vandalism. Mwolvesto50 (talk) 18:35, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Should we rewrite these sentences?

The first line below "hannibal lecter MD" says: "Lecter was introduced in the 1981 thriller novel Red Dragon as a brilliant psychiatrist and cannibalistic serial killer." The first line under the "Novels" heading reads: "Hannibal Lecter is introduced in the 1981 novel Red Dragon as a brilliant psychiatrist and a cannibalistic serial killer."

I've been trying to come up with a good way to change one of the sentences so it sounds less silly, but I'm never good at opening statements, and couldnt think of anything. So I thought I'd mention it, incase someone else had something better. 74.132.249.206 (talk) 00:15, 15 August 2012 (UTC)