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This article not to mention the lenght of skull of the lion

The book A field guide to the carnivores of the world ISBN 978-2-603-01856-9 written by Luke Hunter Priscilla Barret, published by New Holland Publishers in 2011 mention that it is the lion that has the greatest length of skull among the big cats and ahead in this area the siberian tiger( which is the subspecies of tiger with the largest skull with a skull length of 37,9 cm on average) with a skull length of 42 cm on average, and a record length of skull of 91 cm held by a lion killed in Burkina Faso in West Africa in 2008.

--~rourébrébé80.15.124.56 (talk)

References

-rourébrébé-80.11.4.62 (talk) 11:46, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request

The Hebrew text in the etymology section should be altered/removed ("The Hebrew word לָבִיא (lavi) may also be related.[9]"). The Hebrew word for "lion" is not "lavi," it's arieh, which is rendered in Hebrew text as: אריה

It appears as if there are sources that say that it may be related --Jnorton7558 (talk) 08:31, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

The source cited is not available online. Heatherly84 (talk) 14:04, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

It is worth noting that the Hebrew spoken today is the result of deliberate efforts to revitalise a once-almost-extinct language and has futher changed over time anyway - it is significantly different to the ancient Hebrew used when Jewish people would have encountered asiatic lions in their historical range.

This article does discuss in some depth the variety of scriptural Hebrew words for lion and mentions lavi with reference to the specific scripture. Article: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0013_0_12564.html

Lion's weight

I think that in the intro it should be introducing my mentioning that exceptionally large males exceed 550 lbs. I feel that anyone that wants that there is biased. I thought Wikipedia was supposed to be neutral. That's not. A lion over 550 lbs is record sized. We don't always need to mention the weight of an animal in the intro, but if everyone insists for this one, it should say "with some males exceeding 500 lbs", not 550. Golfcourseairhorn (talk) 21:33, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Um, the article already says "with some males exceeding 550 lbs," which is neither misleading nor biased. The statement is simply intended to illustrate how large the animal is. Further down, in the Characteristics section, it is noted that "Weights for adult lions range between 150–250 kg (330–550 lb) for males and 120–182 kg (264–400 lb) for females." By all means make a constructive suggestion if you think the lead needs to be changed. Thanks. --Seduisant (talk) 23:31, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Would you present the Elephant article with "with some males exceeding 16,000 lbs"? The Polar bear article with "with some males exceeding 1760 lbs"? The American alligator article with "with some males exceeding 15 feet"? The Hippo article with "with some males exceeding 9,000 lbs"? Golfcourseairhorn (talk) 01:12, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Also the lion heaviest lion in captivity "Simba" was from Knaresborough Zoo not Colchester Zoo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fpsjeffers (talk • contribs) 19:51, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 December 2011

85.185.14.120 (talk) 13:26, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

 Not done. Got a source other than your friend? Seems to be original research--Jac16888 ^Talk 13:42, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 December 2011

"was a man-eater," needs a reference. Section "Characteristics," paragraph four. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maxcherney (talk • contribs) 04:54, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

It already has one, the "Guinness Book of Animal Facts and Feats". See the inline citation at the end of the sentence. ~ Kimelea (talk) 05:56, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Lion Skin (question, not correction)

In the "White Lions" section, it says "They are not albinos, having normal pigmentation in the eyes and skin."

That sentence made me wonder: What IS normal skin pigmentation for a lion? I can see that there is black or pink (or both) skin on their lips, eye rims, and nose, but if someone were to spread the fur on a lion's leg or back or belly, what color would the skin below be?

Gatorgirl7563 (talk) 23:40, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

A cat's skin is the same colour, more or less, as the fur on top. Pale fur has pale skin underneath. If memory serves (I have seen a lion with a shaved patch, but it was some time ago), a lion's skin is beigey pink. If you shaved a tiger, it would still have black stripes where the stripes grow in the fur :) ~ Kimelea (talk) 20:28, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Typo

In "hybrids" it first correctly references "Tigon", then later misspells it "Tiglon".

Hm, you're right about the inconsistency. The link says "tigon", the first sentence says "tiglon", and the last sentence of the section says "tigon" again. However, the link to Tigon actually redirects to our article Tiglon. That article says: "A tiglon, tigon, or tion (not tigron) is a hybrid cross..."

On this article we cite the Encyclopedia Brittanica, which calls the animal a tigon but says "or tiglon", and Wild Cats of the World by Guggisberg, which I don't have a copy of. I dug out my big cat books and found another reference in Big Cats: Kingdom of Might by Tom Brakefield, which calls the animal a tiglon. Basically, both terms are used, though I don't know where we're getting tion from. I have edited the section on this article to make the spelling consistent with our article on the animal - thanks for pointing it out.

By the way, please sign your posts on talk pages by typing ~~~~ at the end, thanks. :) ~ Kimelea (talk) 20:11, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 May 2012

i find the section on purpose and use of lion mane to be incomplete. its purpose is said to only be that of appearance -for mating and protecting territory. however the mane also has the purpose of protecting the lion from injury (an armor from teeth and claw from its most formidable threat- another male lion). this is further supported by data offered later in the text that lions with thicker mane reproduce more (thicker mane is a favorable trait).

67.190.103.158 (talk) 01:42, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. mabdul 11:22, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

P. l. melanochaita

The article states:

P. l. melanochaita, known as the Cape lion, became extinct in the wild around 1860. Results of mitochondrial DNA research do not support the status as a distinct subspecies. It seems probable that the Cape lion was only the southernmost population of the extant P. l. krugeri.

But that is a wrong way to put it, since the Cape Lion was named first, which gives it priority over P. l. krugeri. P. l. krugeri are therefore populations of P. l. melanochaita, not the other way around. FunkMonk (talk) 17:14, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Now the article states "although one of these, the Cape lion, formerly described as Panthera leo melanochaita, is probably invalid." Yet again, this is wrong, as P. l. melanochaita has many years priority over P. l. krugeri. FunkMonk (talk) 22:30, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Lion Speed

Maximum speed: 35 mph over 50 yds. ( 56 km/h. over 46 m.) Biggest Jump: 12 ft. (3.7 m.) vertical, 36 ft. (10.8 m.) horizontal[1].

The lions do not run to 80 km/h (50 mph) and it was never a real record because this last one rises to 40 mph (64 km/h), they have the same speed of running as tigers and leopards between 30 and 40 mph maximum and they are less fast than many of their preys. The zebras, reach speed real 60 km/h and 70 km/h for the wildebeest. The lions hunt only the individuals disabled animals (females in gestation, youngs, patients, olds, Woundeds) who are not very fast and lively. The night, the lions have the advantage on preys because they sees better in the black, the gnus, wart hogs and the zebras run only to 40 km/h (25 mph) at night, even the individuals in maid physical conditions because they have no good night-view, the night is really the kingdom of the lions.

I have already seen several hunting scenes in broadcast animal documentaries, and I was able to notice that the zebras are a little faster than the lions. I saw exactly 3 different scenes, or a small group of zebras to run to a crazy speed and to sow the lioness to experiment without great difficulty, I even saw 3 differents scenes with zebras escaping the lions, which shows the not success of lionesses in the day, in the hunting, when animals are in maid physical conditions. I also saw not successes, on Giraffes, Buffalos, Wildebeests, Grant's gazelles and Thomson, Impalas, Topis, Elands, and even Wart Hogs. I saw certain wart hogs sowing two lionesses, preys are still better adapted has the running that the predators and in more they hold better their top speeds, they are also stronger in stamina.

At night on the other hand the lions have a better of success in the hunting, because preys have no good view contrary in the day while the view and the speed of the lions stays there even in the darkness.--85.170.228.86 (talk) 13:18, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request

In the second picture of Group organization there are 2 males and a female, and it says 1 male and 2 females. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.136.246.129 (talk) 00:24, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Changed, thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 00:28, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Group organization Edit request

In the second picture of Group Organization there are 2 males and a female, but it says two females and a male.

Addis Ababa lion

"A team of international researchers has provided the first comprehensive DNA evidence that the Addis Ababa lion in Ethiopia is genetically unique and is urging immediate conservation action to preserve this vulnerable lion population." http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121011085336.htm FunkMonk (talk) 13:44, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Wow, interesting. Will read properly and digest and add later. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:19, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Seems they're not having a good time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek5MU3Lf0LM FunkMonk (talk) 18:36, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Captive Lions

It is rather unfortunate and sad to see obese "pet" (of the lodge owners) / captive lions from the exclusive Okonjima as the main images for the article. I can understand captive animals as the main images of wildlife articles if they are rare or there are no photographs from the wild, but commons has metric tons of photographs of wild and free lions from all over Africa. (Khubus (talk) 05:58, 28 November 2012 (UTC))

Talk Page contents

Does anyone know how to make a contents box appear on this page? Is there any reason to not have one? LookingGlass (talk) 07:01, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Reference requests

I have placed an inline tag to illustrate where I think references would benefit the statements made. I also noticed that a number of sections in the article seem to rely on one source: Schaller. I have added a message on one of these sections, requesting additional sources. The references to Schaller are made in a "non-wiki" style so at first I couldn't find the reference at all. Although the book referred to is detailed: Schaller, George B. (1972)." The Serengeti lion: A study of predator-prey relations", these details, or at least some of them, should be included in the references themselves.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Inline_citations LookingGlass (talk) 07:37, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

See the "short citations" section. The way in which this is cited is fine for a FA. LittleJerry (talk) 00:30, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

LION ETNHOBIOLOGY

There are few works on the Ethnobiology of the lion. Maybe the first publication on this matter is a short article published in Paris by Pierre Ichac (1975). This article is about the relationships between humans and lions in Tchad.

Besides, Eliez (1967) and Breteque (1989) published two short articles on the symbolism of lion through the History of the Ancient World, until the European Middle-Ages.

More recently, the American Laly Lichtenfeld (2001) studied the lion’ predation on cattle in Tanzania. H. Bauer and S. Karl (2001) also worked on this subject in Cameroun.

Craig Packer et al. (2005) studied lion attacks on humans in Tanzania.

In France, Annabelle Chartiot (2003) made a detailed research work on the History and Ethnology of the lion.

In 2012, in Paris, João Pedro Galhano Alves published a book on the ethnobiology of the lion, based on research fieldwork made by him in the W of Niger region, in Southwest Niger. Since 2004, this Portuguese Anthropologist and Ethnobiologist also published other books and several articles on this subject.

Moreover, in 2010 and 2011, the Museo Nacional de Ciencias Naturales (Madrid, Spain), of the Consejo Superior de Investigaciones Científicas (Spain), presented a large exhibition on the Ethnobiology of lions, tigers and wolves, mainly based on the research works of João Pedro Galhano Alves in Niger, India and Portugal. The title of this exhibition was “Vivir en biodiversidad total con leones, tigres o lobos”.

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Edit Request

congo lion needs a link to its wiki article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.176.89.230 (talk) 13:57, 24 June 2013 (UTC)