Talk:2007 Carnation murders

Subjective title name

Isn't the title "Carnation Massacre 2007" too subjective? It doesn't fit in the category of a massacre, so it should be renamed to "Carnation, Washington shooting" or "Carnation, Washington slayings." The year added in the title is also unnecessary.

An example of this would be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crandon%2C_Wisconsin_shooting

70.137.148.27 (talk) 21:49, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't know. I think that, given the total way that this thing played out, "massacre" might be an appropriate descriptor. But I do agree that the 2007 is unnecessary; how many such events have occurred that could be so named? Unschool (talk) 05:13, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Based on the List of events named massacres the term "massacre" is generally used when the killings are indescriminate, while "shootings" or "killings" is used when the victims are targeted; however, a Google search shows that some media identify it as the "Carnation Massacre". momoricks (make my day) 04:28, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I changed the heading of "perpetrator(s)" to "suspect(s)" as they are not currently guilty under law, and so it would be incorrect to identify them as perpetrators at this time. It should be revised once they are found guilty, assuming they are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.247.100.121 (talk) 07:16, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Watts Riots which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 04:59, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 13 December 2014

• Carnation Massacre → Carnation massacre
• Seattle Mardi Gras Riot → Seattle Mardi Gras riot
• Keddie Murders → Keddie murders
• Villisca Axe Murders → Villisca axe murders
• Airport Homes Race Riots → Airport Homes race riots
• Fernwood Park Race Riot of 1947 → Fernwood Park race riot
• Englewood Race Riots of 1949 → Englewood race riot

– Routine case adjustment per MOS:CAPS after WP:BRD; these are not consistently capitalized in sources; there is nothing in sources to suggest that they are, or should be treated as, proper names. Please review Talk:Watts_Riots#Move_to_close for the unopposed status of these, and raise objections here if any. I am also OK leaving the "of year" bits on the last two if people care, but I don't see why they are there. I will follow up shortly with ping of editors who participated in the recent relevant discussions, per advice there. I will copy and elaborate source data from the other RM to here if anyone really needs that. Dicklyon (talk) 01:51, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

@Dicklyon, Dekimasu, RGloucester, Tony1, Calidum, Red Harvest, and Djembayz: @Jakec, North Shoreman, HughD, Edison, Chris troutman, Cptnono, and Lukeno94: @Blueboar, ErikHaugen, BD2412, Hmains, Arbitrarily0, Neil P. Quinn, and Anglo-Araneophilus: @SMcCandlish, Labattblueboy, Skookum1, and Ohconfucius: Since you have participated in or closed one or more of the recent riot/massacre/etc. decapitalization discussions, you are being pinged in case you want to be aware of this one; as agreed at the close linked in the move rationale above. Dicklyon (talk) 02:12, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

• Support – These are all constructed WP:NDESC titles, and hence should not be treated as proper names. None of these titles are frequently capitalised in reliable sources, if they appear at all. RGloucester — ☎ 01:59, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

• Comment – please note that @Cptnono: unilaterally moved Seattle Mardi Gras Riots to the singular since I open this RM, and @Dekimasu: adjusted the proposal above. This is even though I pointed out at the previous RM that only 2 of 25 books use the singular form. He may be right that it was really just one event, and WP generally prefers singular, so I'm not going to argue, but the present RM is for case of whichever way it ends up. The Englewood one also looks like it should be singular, even though it lasted two days (see the article); I'm amending the proposal accordingly. Dicklyon (talk) 03:52, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

• FWIW, the move to Seattle Mardi Gras Riot occurred during the previous move request, but before the listing here; I only switched it so the move request would have a direct link. Dekimasuよ! 05:35, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. Dicklyon (talk) 07:17, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

This series of conversations is stupid, Dicklyon. We should be concerned with actual writing and maybe even layout before MoS title nuances that the reader doesn't care about. It has taken up too much time that would have better spent improving the prose. As the primary author of that article and as someone who was in the melee, the plural was a mistake on my part since there was an attempt to lump all of the weekend's events into one article. When some dude decided to make a stand while using a 6' chain as a whip I gave him his space. I'll do the same to you if you feel it is really important.Cptnono (talk) 09:58, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

• Support—nowhere near consistently upcased in sources, as would be required (that's just one reason). Tony (talk) 10:25, 13 December 2014 (UTC)