Talk:China

Why the article China is mixed with The People's Republic of China

I just want to see the article China, but I find that it's mixed with The People's Republic of China. Why? When we say 中國 (China), we mean 中國 (China), not the People's Republic of China. The history of 中國 (China), is not the history of the People's Republic of China. The culture of 中國 (China), is not the culture of the People's Republic of China. The art of 中國 (China), is not the art of the People's Republic of China..... Can the article The People's Republic of China itself be created, so we can have the article China? --一二十 (talk) 16:19, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

By the way, even in today, besides the People's Republic of China, there is the Republic of China. So how can People's Republic of China = China? Even in politics, China does not mean a dynasty/state/government, but all dynasties/states/governments of China. --一二十 (talk) 16:26, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

See the 'Frequently asked questions' section at the top of this page. When people say 'China' in English, they normally mean the PRC. William Avery (talk) 16:48, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. I think it needs rediscussion, because there is no article China (中國) in English version, only the article of China (中國) mixed with People's Republic of China. The article China (中國) is needed. --一二十 (talk) 16:54, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

This article is on China, the country. Which is also/more formally called the People's Republic of China. But they are the same thing. 'China' is the common name.

I don't agree. PRC should be called Mainland China. China includes both Mainland China and Taiwan. It is because "some" people got confused between China and Mainland China, and this confusion propagated to Wikipedia. Some people love China but hate PRC or ROC.

If you are looking for Chinese history then there's the History of China, which links to many other articles on Chinese history topics. --JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 17:04, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks. But I do not simply want see the History of China, but the whole of China, a complete China. I think many people is the same. So why shouldn't there be the article China? --一二十 (talk)

If the encyclopedia is compiled or hosted by United Nations, I'll have no problem that People's Republic of China = China politically, since there has always been only one representative government of China in a single time, and now it recognizes only the People's Republic of China. But it's not a fact there is only one state of China. There are two states (republics) with the name China, although Republic of China is not recognized by UN and many states in the world. And, actually, when we say 中國 (China), we mostly often do not mean it politically. When we say we love China, we do not mean we love the People's Republic of China. That’s totally two different kinds of meanings, concepts and phrases. --一二十 (talk) 17:11, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps you should have brought your opinions forward during the page move discussion that took place during 2011. It's too late for this now, community consensus has already established the PRC as the primary topic of "China", and this discussion is rather unlikely to be going anywhere. If you were to propose a page move, I really doubt that you can gain consensus. --benlisquare_T•C•E 05:30, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

I should add that consensus can change, and it appears that this consensus is moving slowly more and more towards the decided outcome of the move decision. That is to say that what at the time was highly controversial, is becoming less and less controversial, so if you wish to request a move, you may find a time machine helpful. - Metal lunchbox ^(talk) 03:53, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Two questions: 1) what do you mean "I do not simply want see the History of China, but the whole of China, a complete China."? What would be on this "complete China" page that isn't on this page or the History of China page? 2) more importantly, what relevance does the usage of Chinese words in the Chinese language by Chinese speakers have to the usage of the English word "China" in the English language by English speakers? --Khajidha (talk) 13:09, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm Chinese and I can confirm that when we say "China" in Chinese we do mean "People's Republic of China". If we want to refer to "Republic of China", we simply say "Taiwan". It's completely the same usage with English speakers. --JesseW900 (talk) 20:24, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

If we go with the logic of the 2011 page move discussion, then shouldn't the corresponding pages in Chinese, French, Spanish, etc. all be moved too? There is a huge number of these pages that describe the general cultural concept "China", and by having this page, it would be NPOV and a reader would quickly see that Two Chinas actually exist and be educated instead of this fact being hidden. The fact that corresponding "English" version of this article doesn't exist is simply odd..., and suspect I think. Mistakefinder (talk) 21:28, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Each Wikimedia project has a separate community, local ruleset and site consensus, what happens on one language Wikipedia project does not extend to another. If anything is to be changed on the French and other Wikipedias, a local RfC needs to take place on that site. The local consensus at enwiki might be based on the 2011 discussion, but established consensus elsewhere is still different. --benlisquare_T•C•E 02:24, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Don't forget that the articles on the other wikipedia have also some discussions. I'm hardy try to change to situation on wp:fr, wp:de have also some discussions (I don't read german). --Nouill (talk) 02:12, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

China now the largest economy

According to the IMF, China is now the worlds largest economy in terms of purchasing power parity. Someone should update this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flipm (talk • contribs) 21:50, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

The Russian ruble is accepted as valid tender in Suifenhe, China

Chinese government allows to use both the Russian ruble and the yuan, in Suifenhe, China as a legal tender. It is the first time in the history of PRC when the usage of a foreign currency as a payment for goods and services is allowed on its territory. I suggest to add the Russian ruble to the list of currencies along with the yuan in the same fashion as it's done for Panama and US dollar, but with a footnote that its usage is only allowed in a certain region. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.52.141.26 (talk • contribs) 11:24, November 26, 2014 (UTC)

both nominal total GDP and purchasing power parity

China is number one by both nominal total GDP and purchasing power parity not number two. Please edit ???? China is far behind in nominal total GDP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swax2 (talk • contribs) 16:44, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2015

Hi, I just wanted to change the description of China (mainland China) from the second largest economy to the first. Example (current form) "As of 2013, it is the world's second-largest economy by both nominal total GDP and purchasing power parity (PPP), and is also the world's largest exporter and importer of goods.[21]" to (proposed form) According to International Monetary Fund (IMF) as of 2014, it is the world's largest economy by purchasing power parity (PPP) and second largest in nominal total GDP, and is also the world's largest exporter and importer of goods.[21]

Many reliable sources have already claimed China as the largest Economy by PPP including: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30483762 http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2015/01/china-worlds-largest-economy http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/12/06/china-surpasses-us-to-become-largest-world-economy/ http://www.economist.com/news/essays/21609649-china-becomes-again-worlds-largest-economy-it-wants-respect-it-enjoyed-centuries-past-it-does-not http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/12/07/chinas-now-the-world-number-one-economy-and-it-doesnt-matter-a-darn/

-Solstice8088

Solstice8088 (talk) 07:37, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

The IMF's 2014 stats are still estimates/projections, not the actual figures like the 2013 stats. Stickee (talk) 11:01, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. — {{U|Technical 13}} (e • t • c) 15:30, 27 January 2015 (UTC)