So my question is, where an article incorporates whole paragraphs copied, with a suitable license permission, from a previously published work, how should that be acknowledged in the article? It looks as though we need a variant of {{tl|CC-notice}} that says "This ''paragraph'' incorporates text from this source... " Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD|talk]]) 22:09, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
So my question is, where an article incorporates whole paragraphs copied, with a suitable license permission, from a previously published work, how should that be acknowledged in the article? It looks as though we need a variant of {{tl|CC-notice}} that says "This ''paragraph'' incorporates text from this source... " Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD|talk]]) 22:09, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
:Hey John, Moon. That's not quite what I said, but I've clarified at your talk page in the section you linked above.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 23:07, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
:Hey John, Moon. That's not quite what I said, but I've clarified at your talk page in the section you linked above.--[[User:Fuhghettaboutit|Fuhghettaboutit]] ([[User talk:Fuhghettaboutit|talk]]) 23:07, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you [[User:Moonriddengirl|Moonriddengirl]] <sup>[[User talk:Moonriddengirl|(talk)]]</sup> for your support. We are still discussing a number of possibilities at [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD's talk page]] ([[User talk:JohnCD|talk]]) → [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:JohnCD#Soft_robotics]]
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Hello. :) I see that the article has been deleted, so this particular problem is no longer a problem. Content can generally be imported from other Wikis where licensing is compatible. It's okay to import content from Wikia, but only with full attribution. On the other hand, it is not always appropriate to move content from Wikia, which is dedicated to certain topics and may explore a level of detail beyond what we'd usually put in our encyclopedia articles. --Moonriddengirl(talk)15:07, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yet another possible copyright problem
For reasons that I assume will be obvious to you, I suspect that Sutton Forest Public School (except for the first and last sentences) is a copyvio of the source cited in the article. That book is unfortunately not viewable online and is sufficiently obscure that it's unlikely that a request at WP:RX would help. What does one do in such a situation? Deor (talk) 20:16, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) Actually OCLC221082963 a.k.a. OCLC221319750 is shown as held in several major Ozzie libraries. The odds are a helpful local Wikipedian in Sydney, Wollongong, Barton, Newcastle, or Canberra can be persuaded to visit one of them. Alternatively, you could presume an infraction and rewrite it entirely in your own words. LeadSongDogcome howl!21:46, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
in order to get more users and get some good editing going on the Wikispecies admins have created a Facebook page for the group. I just wanted to check would this be a reasonable use of the Logo? for the Wikispecies project. On this Facebook page. Any advice would be appreciated. Cheers Faendalimastalk02:57, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, User:Faendalimas! I'm sorry for my delay here; this is my volunteer account, and my time for volunteering has been pretty restricted lately. I'm afraid I can't really answer you directly but I can tell you who to ask! If you write to trademarks@wikimedia.org, they should be able to help pretty swiftly. :) Thanks for reaching out, and please let me know if I can be of further assistance. --Moonriddengirl(talk)02:25, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! I have come across the article Delaware, Ontario about a small village outside of my hometown, which a user has expanded a great deal without providing any sources at all. At least one large portion of text is directly quoted from a book (noted in the article, but still inappropriate), and I am concerned that the user has lifted portions from other works, although my quick searches have not revealed anything. Would you mind taking a look? Ivanvector (talk) 20:57, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Ivanvector. :) I can see why you would be concerned! I have done a very thorough spot-check and have found no copying outside of that massive quote, and since that source is public domain it's not a problem from a copyright perspective. I can't be sure there's not any copying from a source I can't access, but I've come up empty with what I can. This guy is editing again, I see. I wonder if he could produce sources to verify any of that content? --Moonriddengirl(talk)02:21, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Society for Marketing Professional Services Page
Since I am new, I was searching for pages that already exist that I may be able to contribute to. I searched for the Society for Marketing Professional Services (SMPS) since I am a member of this organization. I noticed that a page previously existed and was deleted. I did review your policies about copyright but I wanted to ask if you could tell me why the old page was deleted so I don't make the same mistake in attempting to create a new page. SMPS has not asked me to do this. Any advice you can offer would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
Bitsybubbles (talk) 21:12, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Bitsybubbles! I hope Moonriddengirl doesn't mind if I offer input here, I'm watching this page because I made a comment further up. The page Society for Marketing Professional Services was deleted because it was copied from the organization's website, which is a copyright violation. We have to delete content that violates copyright to comply with United States law, and if there is no content left that does not violate copyright then the page will be deleted entirely. If you would like to create a new page on the organization, you can create a new article in that space, but you might want to instead start your page in our "draft" workspace, at Draft:Society for Marketing Professional Services, and when you think it's ready you can submit it for a review through our Articles for Creation process. Also, since you've mentioned that you are a member of this organization, you might want to be familiar with our plain and simple conflict of interest guide before you start to edit. Cheers! Ivanvector (talk) 21:47, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Moonriddengirl, as I read your reply at AN, I'm wondering if I was not assuming enough good faith on your part. I certainly didn't mean to single you out. I now see that it would have been better if I had made that clear then.
If your reply means that one can only AGF up to a certain point, then I agree. I am afraid that AGF is so rigid that it breaks too easily, or encourages hypocrisy. For that reason, many years ago, when I was more active as a mediator, I therefore inserted the little word "for" - see User:SebastianHelm/principles#AGF. — Sebastian00:48, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Sebastian. On my first reading, I took your statement very literally when you said my interpretation was "a bad faith interpretation", and I must admit that did upset me. My response was meant to defend my own integrity - my interpretation is honestly what I believe, not duplicitous. I tried very hard to reach peaceful resolution of this matter, but failed abysmally. If anything, I feel like I was derelict in my duty for not more proactively stopping what I saw happening.:(
I actually started to stop by your talk page to discuss the matter personally, but it occurred to me that I might not be interpreting the statement in the way you intended - that perhaps you meant not that my interpretation was made in bad faith, but that it was assuming bad faith on his part. I started to clarify at AN in case you did mean the latter, but rereading my statement decided that it really worked either way. I did my best to assume good faith on his part, beginning by approaching him several times on his talk page to ask him to modify his interactions with this user. At this point, I'm still not sure that he's not operating in "good faith" - in the sense that he may absolutely believe what he's doing is best for content - but I believe that his intention nevertheless is to defend his territory from outsiders, especially young, American outsiders who don't share his political beliefs. He may think it best for content if he does this, but I think it is not in the spirit of Wikipedia or what's best for the project.
Thank you for your nice reply. It's an interesting topic: Where is actually the border between good and bad faith? How does it apply when we're faced with someone who believes what they are doing is best for the community, but does consistently refuse to accept any input that clashes with their opinion - as is a common occurrence here? Maybe the difference shrinks to that between "they can't help it" and "they won't change". I see from your reply to Anna that you tend towards the first, which is AGF in my book.
As for my statement at AN, I did not mean to imply even a hint of anything like duplicity; all I meant was that in my impression, the cited statement did not look for good faith in the other editor's behavior (which is my understanding of AGF, as linked above). My use of "hypocrisy" above referred to myself, in the sense that I might have not applied my own principle and overlooked something positive on your part, and indeed I did not acknowledge your patient search for a peaceful resolution. Incidentally, I can very well relate to your experience, since I have fond memories of the same user, from many years ago, when he necessitated my first mediation - before I even thought I could do any mediation - which led me on a path I found very fulfilling. — Sebastian03:01, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If you read the discussions further up on this user talk page, you'll see good faith extended again and again to the editor which is returned by posting walls of text and who admittedly didn't read the replies MRG offered. She went well beyond what most folks would tolerate and I'm sure I would have asked the editor to never post on my talk page again if he carried on this way on that page. LizRead!Talk!20:54, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Input needed regarding a possibly-free technical report cover
This image File:ISO-IEC-9899-1999-cover.png is currently up for review at NFCR. I believe the image would fall within PD-text (on the assumption that the two logos are also within PD-text - both exist at Commons). A user asked if the amount of text might be a problem, and I wasn't sure. As most of the text appears non-creative, I would think this would not be copyrightable in that nature, but I wanted to check first. --MASEM (t) 05:23, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, User:Masem. If that popped up at WP:CP, I would curse the day. :) The creativity in that passage, if any, is extremely low. It's highly formulaic. If I encountered it as an editor in an article, I'd shrug and move on because I personally do not believe it would be protected by copyright. The issue with it being at WP:CP would be that I may take on some responsibility if I declare it public domain and it turns out I'm wrong. With text, I would rewrite it under our version of the precautionary principle ("If in doubt, write the content yourself...."), but with an image, that's not really an option. My instincts here would be to make a note on the file description page for downstream users that we believe the content is public domain but that reusers are encouraged to make their own determination and to evaluate with an intellectual property attorney in their area if they would like to use it outside the realm of fair use. I'm not keen on labeling PD content as "fair use", though, so alternatively if somebody chooses to tag it as PD, the alternate note can be added - reminding that Wikipedia can't give legal advice and suggesting people check with yadayada. --Moonriddengirl(talk)13:27, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there,
As you can see, I managed to write the show info on Matt's Monsters on the temp page and update character info to avoid copyright using my own words and close paraphrasing. Now that the info is next to the title, the Synopsis is no longer needed. Let's see if this works. Agentmike41 (talk) 18:37, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Acknowledging extensive quotes in an article
Draft:Soft robotics was deleted as a copyright violation, and restoration was requested at WP:REFUND by SirJamesHunt. I went through the draft finding and removing passages copied from several sources, while leaving the framework and references in place to facilitate a possible reconstruction, and Fuhghettaboutit removed some more. The requester has now explained at User talk:JohnCD#Soft robotics that a group of researchers in the field set out to make an article, quoting passages from their various papers. It looks a promising article, and I would like to help them.
The paper which was the source of the largest number of quotes, here, is actually released under CC-BY. It was my impression that a {{CC-notice}} template at the end of the article would make it legal, but Fuhghetttabout it says on my talk page that more specific attribution is needed; and anyway it is desirable in order to avoid plagiarism. Assuming that the authors of the other papers quoted make a suitable copyright release, the same issue will arise.
So my question is, where an article incorporates whole paragraphs copied, with a suitable license permission, from a previously published work, how should that be acknowledged in the article? It looks as though we need a variant of {{CC-notice}} that says "This paragraph incorporates text from this source... " Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:09, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This edit introduced a pastiche of copy-paste from a number of different sources, and I have now reversed it. I put a speedy tag on it but it was ignored for the best part of 24 hours, so restored an early stub version. However, it seems that the current practice is to oversight the offending text, so I would request that you do that. In fact, I think it would be better if it was deleted outright. FYI, I have a "clean" version waiting in the wings, so if you would see fit to delete it so I can move the clean version into place. Regards, -- Ohc ¡digame!00:43, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, User:Ohconfucius. :) I can't delete it outright, because G12 only applies if content is corrupted to the beginning, but I can certain rev-delete! Done. Of course, you're welcome to copy-paste your new text on top of it. Thanks for locating the problem and salvaging the article! --Moonriddengirl(talk)20:01, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
