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== Split off Tate murders? ==

At the recent AfD discussions about Abigail Folger, Jay Sebring, Steven Parent and Wojciech Frykowski, it was suggested that the Tate murders should be split off from this article into a separate article [[Tate murders]]. I agree. Those particular five murders were so notorious, and have been written about in such detail, that they overwhelm this article, even though they don't contain all the information they should - for example, there should be a little more information about each victim. The Abigail Folger article was redirected to this page per the AfD closure, but even though the recommendation was to "merge", no merging of any of the information about her was done. This article is just too bloated, there isn't room for it. If there is support for a new article, I am willing to create it, with help and input from other editors here. --[[User:MelanieN|MelanieN]] ([[User talk:MelanieN|talk]]) 23:11, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
:As one of the people who originally suggested it, I support the idea. Unlike most of the victims, the event itself seems notable. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]&#124;[[User talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</font>]]</sub> 23:20, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
::The event has received [[WP:PERSISTENT]] coverage as well, therefore it can be [[WP:SUBARTICLE|spun out]] as a separate article.--[[User:RightCowLeftCoast|RightCowLeftCoast]] ([[User talk:RightCowLeftCoast|talk]]) 03:24, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
I totally agree. The Tate murders received huge media coverage BEFORE the LAPD even considered Manson and his gang as the suspects. The murders also involve NUMEROUS people: Sharon Tate, Abigail Folger, Wojciech Frykowski, Jay Sebring, Steven Parent, Tex Watson, Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, Linda Kasabian... all of whom arguably play a bigger role in the event than Manson himself. Yet the main article on the murders are on his page? Manson's article is already very long, like you suggested above, this section overwhelms his article.

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Former featured article candidateCharles Manson is a former featured article candidate. Please view the links under Article milestones below to see why the nomination failed. For older candidates, please check the archive.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
November 28, 2005Peer reviewReviewed
December 29, 2005Featured article candidateNot promoted
November 27, 2007Good article nomineeNot listed
November 29, 2007Peer reviewReviewed
May 10, 2008Good article nomineeNot listed
January 22, 2011Peer reviewReviewed
Current status: Former featured article candidate

Drumming

It's a minor point, I know, but the article mentions he was a drummer and yet drums are not included on the list of instruments. If this were a very minor thing (in the way that some musicians can play Harmonica, but it's not their main instrument) I could understand. Manson was, however, a founding member of the Beach Boys as a drummer, and that seems more significant, in the current article, than his vocal or guitar work. I'm sure I am missing something, I'm new here so I'm quite happy to let more experienced editors correct me if I'm wrong. I can't edit the article anyway so I thought I would suggest this, if someone wanted to make the edit. No problem if not. Sorry if I've done something wrong here. Still getting to grips with everything. --ClydeGhost (talk) 12:28, 11 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A long time ago, the article said simply that Manson had a chance relationship with "Beach Boy Dennis Wilson," as is correct. At some point, someone modified that, quite unnecessarily, so that, as you have seen, there is a confusing reference to Dennis Wilson's having been the drummer in, and a founding member of, the Beach Boys. I say confusing because--as someone noted here at the time--the wording can give the impression that Manson, not Wilson, was the Beach Boys figure. As is so often the case at Wikipedia, nobody bothered to correct it; and now as we see, you--and probably many other Wikipedia visitors--have gained the erroneous impression that Manson was a Beach Boy. He was not.96.245.226.49 (talk) 00:56, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Location of Spahn Ranch is wrong

Spahn Ranch is in the Santa Susana Mountains above Chatsworth, California.

It is not "near" Topanga Canyon.

It is near Topanga Canyon Blvd., which runs north, terminating far away from Topanga Canyon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Don Williams (talk • contribs) 18:31, 17 December 2012‎ (UTC)[reply]

Style

The article presents a dense collection of facts, sometimes going into minute detail. I think it would be more readable and informative if it gave an overview of what had happened.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:19, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bernardine Dohrn etc

The reference to Bernardine Dohrn, taken from a newspaper article from 1981, seems primarily designed to blacken her name. According to her husband, Bill Ayers, the attributed comment was taken out of context and misconstrued.

Similarly, the article refers to Tuesday's Child (newspaper), a newspaper that was only published for six months.

These references seem primarily designed to discredit the New Left/counterculture/hippie movement rather than actually shed any light on the topic. Did the Weather Underground support the murder of rich, white civilians? No, they didn't. Did most supporters of the peace movement support Charles Manson? No, they didn't.--Jack Upland (talk) 12:13, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Split off Tate murders?

At the recent AfD discussions about Abigail Folger, Jay Sebring, Steven Parent and Wojciech Frykowski, it was suggested that the Tate murders should be split off from this article into a separate article Tate murders. I agree. Those particular five murders were so notorious, and have been written about in such detail, that they overwhelm this article, even though they don't contain all the information they should - for example, there should be a little more information about each victim. The Abigail Folger article was redirected to this page per the AfD closure, but even though the recommendation was to "merge", no merging of any of the information about her was done. This article is just too bloated, there isn't room for it. If there is support for a new article, I am willing to create it, with help and input from other editors here. --MelanieN (talk) 23:11, 9 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As one of the people who originally suggested it, I support the idea. Unlike most of the victims, the event itself seems notable. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 23:20, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The event has received WP:PERSISTENT coverage as well, therefore it can be spun out as a separate article.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 03:24, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree. The Tate murders received huge media coverage BEFORE the LAPD even considered Manson and his gang as the suspects. The murders also involve NUMEROUS people: Sharon Tate, Abigail Folger, Wojciech Frykowski, Jay Sebring, Steven Parent, Tex Watson, Susan Atkins, Patricia Krenwinkel, Linda Kasabian... all of whom arguably play a bigger role in the event than Manson himself. Yet the main article on the murders are on his page? Manson's article is already very long, like you suggested above, this section overwhelms his article.

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