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Edit request: found the missing citation, 25 July 2011

I found the citation that is missing under the education section, 3rd paragraph, in the part that talks about tertiary education:

https://www.tilastokeskus.fi/artikkelit/2006/art_2006-07-06_001.html

I found this citation source in the article about Finland, which discussed a similar set of statistics about its own tertiary education system.

Thanks!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.237.212.142 (talk) 09:04, 25 July 2011‎ (UTC)[reply]

Not a balanced article

I don't know what happened here. Was this article written by Swedes or those who idolize Sweden? Where is all the balanced coverage here? Rates of divorce? Drug/alcohol problems? Leading causes of death? What Swedish television shows are watched, how do they compare to foreign programs? Seasonal depression? Patriotism and national pride? Perception of Sweden by foreigners (international perception)? Cultural uniformity? Bod (talk) 08:26, 12 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Bodi ! I don't really believe the article to be written by a bunch of idolising Swedes. But elsewise I can agree in much of your criticism. Please NOTE I'm a Swedish citizen, but I don't care much for this country north of the border Scanian border. I'm Scanian and pro Denmark. It's not that strange - I'm Scanian, lives along the Øresund and can see Copenhagen across the other side of the sea. That was all cards on the table. However I find the article lousy (also) for different reasons, much due to what isn't mentioned. Where are the chapters on Flora and Fauna for instance? And the changing nature from the agricultural areas and beech forests in Scania-Halland and Östergötland and Västergötland to the planted spruce areas in Småland and middle-Sweden. And the mountains (Fjällen) along the Norwegian border. Where are the differences in culture, cuisine and climat in a perspective from all parts of the country? And there are also parts of the already written material which can well be questioned. Boeing720 (talk) 06:08, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You can expant the article to include the things you mentioned. 80.212.44.121 (talk) 20:03, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Cuisine -- No potatoes with the crayfish, please

Being a middle aged Swede with a liking for traditional cooking, I have attended more than 70 crayfish parties. Some of them have taken place in restaurants, some in the homes of friends and relatives. Some have been in western Sweden and some in the east. Most of them have been in August, but some have been at other times of the year. I would say that I personally have experienced most varieties of crayfish party. Never -- not once! -- have I been served potatoes with the crayfish. The source of starch (starch is never omitted in a Swedish meal) at every crayfish party is bread. Always bread. No potatoes, no dumplings, no pasta, no couscous, no rice, but always bread. The article needs to be updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:6B0:1:1041:C5AA:FF7B:1008:D5B8 (talk) 10:53, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. As it is unsourced and IMO incorrect I will remove it. Sjö (talk) 21:09, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sjö - you shouldn't remove comments from other users. Please refrain from doing that in the future. In any case, I repeat what I said: This is a wiki, not a blog. --Wheatstack (talk) 14:47, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Coordinate error

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—183.56.50.85 (talk) 06:49, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not seeing an explicit request here. I you think a change needs to be made in the coordinates somewhere in the article, please explain clearly what that change is. Deor (talk) 19:03, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kingdom of Sweden

The article states that the official name of the country is "Kingdom of Sweden". I'm not saying this is wrong, but I am curious about where this is stated? Who decides it and where does it say so? At present there is no source provided about this that I can see. I'm a Swedish speaker myself and I've checked Regeringsformen, which is part the part of the constitution I would expect to find something about it, but didn't find anything at all about the name of the country there. Does anyone know? Yakikaki (talk) 20:45, 18 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's defined in legislation (and it doesn't have to), but it seems to be consistently used in various international bilateral agreements as a long-form name for the country (for example, in Sweden's accession treaty to the EU, agreements on tax matters and defense), much as how Finland uses "Republic of Finland" without it being defined anywhere. Here's a source stating that the official name is "Konungariket Sverige" (Kingdom of Sweden), but that's all I could find for now. / Gavleson (talk) 03:27, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Climate

I would argue that it's a matter of interpretation in comparison to USA outside of Alaska. Much of Alaska is colder generally but across the continental U.S. only a few places would more fit the definition. It says "For example, central and southern Sweden has much milder winters than many parts of Russia, Canada, and the northern United States." An alternative way could be "For example, central and southern Sweden has much milder winters than many parts of Russia, Canada,ToggGrogg (talk) 20:21, 3 May 2016 (UTC) Alaska and some parts of northern continental U.S."[2] The source I'm citing is certainly a matter of interpretation because it depends where you draw the line on central Sweden and even then since it's on a much smaller scale.[reply]

  • @ToggGrogg: It's an undisputable fact that central and southern Sweden have milder winters than large parts of the United States: average low temperature in January is -1.4C (29.5F) in Malmö, -1.9C (28.6F) in Gothenburg, -5C (23F) in Stockholm and -9.1C (15.6F) in Östersund (located in northern Sweden, at 63°10′45″N 14°38′09″E, and about as far from the sea as you can get in Scandinavia, since it's half way between the Swedish and the Norwegian coast...), while it is -5.4C (22.2F) in Boston, -5.8C (21.6F) in Salt Lake City, -7.7C (18.2F) in Chicago, -8.1C (17,4F) in Denver, -9.7C (14.5F) in Albany, NY, -9.8C (14.3F) in Des Moines, Iowa, -10.2C (13.6F) in Omaha, and -13.6C (7.5F) in Minneapolis, just to pick a few examples. In spite of all of Sweden being far north of all of the American cities I listed... Thomas.W talk 21:02, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Thomas.W. Having lived in Stockholm and Boston, I can guarantee first hand that Stockholm's winters are milder. But of course it's about sources here, though that doesn't change things, it's easily sourced. Then again, I do agree that "large parts" is very vague and perhaps it could be phrased somewhat better? Jeppiz (talk) 21:36, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
All of those places apart from Östersund and maybe Stockholm if we stretch it is southern Sweden. There are a several cities, further from the sea, like Östersund. Also the temperatures you suggested were comparable to Stockholm and Östersund, Why couldn't the article then for example show the exact differences in Celsius or Fahrenheit for example? Rather than use descriptive words to suggest that something is different. The numbers you presented weren't a whole lot. If we exclude Malmö and Göteborg then because sure alright those places are much warmer. Central Sweden is a much more undefined place because historically it meant Svealand but that isn't the geographical "central" Sweden. I do agree with the southern part but that still leaves "southern and central" Sweden in the same category while there still is obviously a difference and it isn't as black and white as the article suggests. Also the average temperature is -5,2C in Stockholm according to SMHI. Also Mora a city in central Sweden has -7,4 as average temperature in January and -7,2 in February. So it is not an undisputed fact. Maybe some parts are but generally? I think it could be rephrased more thoroughly. ToggGrogg (talk) 20:21, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@ToggGrogg: No, they're not. Per the common definition Stockholm is in central Sweden and Östersund in northern Sweden. Thomas.W talk 22:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC) (I can't follow your non-standard indentation so I'll answer here...)[reply]
@Thomas.W: I was talking about whether the article refers to geographical central Sweden or the historical central Sweden which is Svealand. (Stockholm is part of this region, eastern Svealand) Mora, which is a city in central Sweden is still inside Central Sweden whichever definition you use. When talking about climate, perhaps it would be wiser to use the geographic central point rather than the historical one because that region is placed in southern central Sweden anyway. The link you provided mentions Dalarna, That's where the city of Mora is located. ToggGrogg (talk) 20:21, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Thomas.W: So the common definition you cite is correct then? then follow the link inside that article and see that it lists Dlarna as central Sweden. Yet the average temperature in Falun, Dalarna during January is -7.4°C on average. Easily sourced. The average low is -11. That is lower than all the cities you suggested. Going by easily citable sources. [4] I can continue. Central Sweden, especially the middle parts are not milder than "large" parts of the US although maybe milder than some. So the wiki article currently is vague at best if you but could be improved if it mentioned that central Sweden (Which is geographically south by the way) is milder than some parts of Northern United States. What is incorrect is saying that NONE are. I'm not arguing that USA has colder places, however there are places in central Sweden which are colder on average than the cities you presented and there is sources to prove it. ToggGrogg (talk) 14:54, 5 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]



http://data.smhi.se/met/climate/time_series/month_year/normal_1961_1990/SMHI_month_year_normal_61_90_temperature_celsius.txt

Also importantly here's a map from SMHI(Sveriges metrologiska och hydrologiska institut) Sweden's meteorological and hydrological institute over the average temperature in January. Not counting "Low" either. http://www.smhi.se/polopoly_fs/1.3975.1398236974!/image/p35.png_gen/derivatives/Original_1004px/p35.png There's a problem because what do we define central Sweden as? The geographical mid point, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/SWE-Map_Mittpunkt.svg/255px-SWE-Map_Mittpunkt.svg.png or the historical? https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svealand#/media/File:Sverigekarta-Landsdelar_Svealand.svg If we go by the geographical and by looking at the average temperature by SMHI I could certainly argue that large parts is incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ToggGrogg (talk • contribs) 21:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I guess part of the problem here is that foreigners of course understand central Sweden differently than us Swedes. I guess most Swedes would consider Stockholm, Örebro, Norrköping and Karlstad as 'Central Sweden'. I understand foreigners (in other words, 99.99% of the world), would be more likely to understand Central Sweden as the part that geographically is in the centre, such as Umeå, Örnsköldsvik and Östersund. I agree that we should perhaps not use 'Central Sweden' is the way we Swedes think about it, as it's likely to confuse readers. Jeppiz (talk) 22:18, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah because the actual central geographic point is not near Stockholm. Stockholm is geographically south even though we think of Stockholm as central Sweden. But that still includes Dalarna and for example Mora which defies the point he made that it's "much colder" than in central Sweden. It is still subject to interpretation because its two different things unfortunately. Also Boston average temperature in January is 2.1 high and -5.4 low while in Stockholm the high is -2.8 and the low is −5. So while Boston has 0.4 lower it can also be warmer.[5] [6] Interestingly enough Stockholm's coldest month is usually February. ToggGrogg (talk) 00:48, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Religion: biased reference to one (!) academics work

The last paragraph says people in Sweden call themselves "Christian", which is probably intended to portray Swedes as being increasingly religious. It is not something that suits Wikipedia, though, as it refers to only one academics work, which is not even a statistically significant study. It is qualitative research, consisting of interviews with a few respondents. I have therefore removed the first sentence and rephrased the other. /2016-05-04

EDIT: Apparently the article is locked from editing. Somebody that are allowed to edit it should do it. The work referred to is in itself referred to from an article. It doesn't really say anything about who Zuckerman interviewed - age, sex, location - and he interviewed both Swedes and Danes. Older people would definitely say they are Christian to a more extent than younger or middle-aged. To say that Swedes are "Christian" in the sense they believe there is a god, one sole entity, is frankly not true. /2016-05-04 

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.121.130.108 (talk) 14:08, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • You can't make changes like that without discussing it here first, and getting support from other editors for it, before making the edits. And you're not going to get my support for it... Thomas.W talk 17:08, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Eh, I can't make any edits at all, so you're quite right there. You say it should be discussed here. I cannot see anything in your comment that is part of or an attempt at a discussion. You only say you would be against "it", but present no arguments. I'd be happy to discuss. /2016-05-13 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.121.130.108 (talk) 01:07, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ https://web.archive.org/web/20061117173015/http://www.fao.org:80/waicent/faoinfo/sustdev/EIdirect/climate/EIsp0002.htm
  2. ^ https://web.archive.org/web/20061117173015/http://www.fao.org:80/waicent/faoinfo/sustdev/EIdirect/climate/EIsp0002.htm
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