Talk:Vox Day

Philosopher in the lede

In what sense is Vox Day a philosopher? The article only lists some half-baked (and eminently controversial) positions on race. It does not appear that he has been published in any academic journals or contributed anything to the philosophical discourse. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.232.78.130 (talk) 21:07, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Concur; removed. The "philosophical views" section was a political views section, so I've also renamed that accordingly - David Gerard (talk) 21:44, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Meh. I think it could be included due to his publication of The Irrational Atheist, which is a philosophical work. Kelly ^hi! 11:20, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

I believe his work on Social Justice Warriors was the #1 seller in political philosophy for quite some time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:182:C902:479A:ED91:3D5B:56A6:2252 (talk) 02:01, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Per the section immediately below this one, you can get #1 in an Amazon section with literally three sales. It's not evidence of any sort of notability - David Gerard (talk) 18:38, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Removing the whole Scalzi book parody thing.

Yo. So I wanted to remove the bit about the Day book parody and the retaliotary parody calling Scalzi a rapist but was reverteed. I think it should be removed because we've only got one source on the whole thing and it's Breitbart. Also if what Liz added is right, then Amazon removed the title for being too insulting so we should really have stronger sourcing if we're going to include it. Brustopher (talk) 13:59, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Concur, it's pretty trivial. Also, #1 in an Amazon subsection can be done with literally three copies and doesn't indicate noteworthiness at all - David Gerard (talk) 14:32, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Noteworthiness isn't required of details in an article, only sources. Pkeets (talk) 15:59, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, but then it's an issue of undue weight. DS (talk) 18:29, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

It's WP:WEIGHT as Dragonfly notes - but this is a BLP of a controversial person, so actually yes, every detail is required to be of sufficient note to put in the bio - David Gerard (talk) 22:01, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Day vs Beale

I noticed that the article uses both Day and Beale to refer to its subject, and I was thinking it should all be normalized and matched, probably to Day, as I couldn't figure out any pattern to the usage. Does anyone have other thoughts on that? —Torchiest ^talk_edits 16:23, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

The article was recently moved from "Theodore Beale" to "Vox Day", so that's probably left over from the old name. Yeah, it needs cleanup to "Day" I think. Kelly ^hi! 19:08, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

So, is Vox Day his legal name now? It thought it was just a pen name, which means the article should say Theodore Beale? Pkeets (talk) 03:05, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

The title of the article is pretty clear, per WP:PSEUDONYM. For the article, using "Day" without the "Vox" seems a bit odd, since the name is a phrase, not a first/last pseudonym. Does anyone call him "Mr. Day"? Is he Vox to his friends? Looking through sources, those that refer to him by name more than once either use "Vox Day" in full every mention, (Salon, Slate), or use Beale (Guardian, WSJ). I think we should pick one and use that, rather than treating Day as a surname, which seems sillier and sillier the more I think about it. Grayfell (talk) 03:44, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

I changed the first line to not sound as if his legal name has changed to Vox Day. --jae (talk) 14:32, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

His name is Theodore Beale. That should be the name of the article, not this "Vox Day" nonsense, which is just a joke (and by that I mean it's his joke, a joke he constructed on purpose, not "this guy's pseudonym is absurd" -- it is, literally, a joke). "Vox Day" should redirect to "Theodore Beale", not the other way around. -- 67.76.163.46 (talk) 20:35, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Musical Career

Theodore Beale is not responsible for nor credited for It Has Begun and Unlearn. He was no longer a part of Psychosonik after the material released for/from the first album. It can be clearly seen on the 12" for It Has Begun that only Daniel Lenz was credited for this composition: https://www.discogs.com/Psykosonik-Alien-Factory-It-Has-Begun-Higher/release/1575114

And for Unlearn, it was "written and produced by Daniel Lenz and Paul Sebastien" https://img.discogs.com/bU40QFsvqmX7OKq2Q1myo4XGFxU=/fit-in/599x467/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-106761-1291574482.jpeg.jpg Inkrat773 (talk) 21:36, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

I've addressed some of this concern. It might be best off removing the 'musical career' section entirely. I don't believe it can be sourced to anything other than Beale talking about himself. PeterTheFourth (talk) 22:00, 23 May 2016 (UTC)