User talk:David.moreno72

Hi David, you've removed an edit I made to the '2007 Gumball 3000 collision' page. Could you let me know why. I'm new to Wikipedia.46.208.202.100 (talk) 13:21, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Please read WP:BLP David.moreno72 (talk) 13:26, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Is there a particular part that I'm in violation of? Am I allowed to put in the name of the driver? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.208.202.100 (talk) 14:07, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

I would recommend taking your queries to the talk page of the article and perhaps leave a message on the talk page of the IP that removed the contentious edits. Before making any further edits on the article page make sure you achieve consensus first. Thank-you David.moreno72 (talk) 14:15, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks for your help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.208.202.100 (talk) 14:29, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

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Hello David.moreno72, may I ask why you reverted my revisions? It's called "the" Sudan in English. It's more correct form with the article. And what about the other page where I contributed quite "constructively". Which part of my edits did you not like? Please elaborate.Listofpeople (talk) 10:23, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Please see the following page: http://www.victorianwars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=6589Listofpeople (talk) 10:25, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

It was your edit to Sudan, changing it in the lede to The Sudan, when just Sudan is used extensively in the article that caught my attention. I then noticed you had made the same change in Circassians. A further inspection revealed that you were in an edit war with another editor, disregarding his comments on your talk page. Rather than discuss the issue on the article talk page you continued to edit. I then noticed that you had moved the flag from the info box and put a caption to a now non existent image. An unintentional mistake perhaps, but as you have reverted, it would seem that this removal of content is intentional. Now, instead of taking a moment to calmly discuss the issue on the article talk page, you went straight to an administrator. That should be a last resort, not your first dispute resolution action. May I suggest that you start by reading this WP:DR David.moreno72 (talk) 12:07, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

I believe I am good at editing if it's a topic that I have a good knowledge of. I am an expert on this ethnic group and that's why I do contributions only on articles related to that ethnic group. Yes, I know how to edit, but I have never had such an issue with any user before, so I don't know how "edit war" things work here. Of course, some issues need to be discussed on talk pages, but if it's crystal clear that one's constructive edits are reverted, then there's nothing to do other than undoing. And I did so, but I was literally shocked when I saw that you, as a rollbacker, reverted based on a unjust report of that IP user. That's why I wrote to an administrator. I felt really bad. Moreover, I was not notified by that IP user about the fact that s/he reported me. I wrote to the administrator before I saw that. I just viewed the page history of the article "Circassians", then I saw you reverted all my actions just like that IP did. I have been working on that article for hours, doing my best to make it better, but a rollbacker undos them all. This was very dissappointing. About the flag, you are right that I should have also removed the caption when I removed the picture, but I didn't remove the flag from the page, I just moved to the section of tribes since each star on the flag represent a tribe. There are two other more representative images that can be used in the lead section, so that was not really a mistake since when you remove a picture from the infobox, even if you forgot removing the caption, it doesn't show up. That caption is hidden. You see. Other than that, can you see a single mistake of mine? I hope to handle this issue between ourselves. I can see your good faith, and your dedicationg to handling vandalism. I appreciate that. I can remove my message to the administrator if you think it was not necessary. As I said, I didn't know where else to go, as the comments of that IP user were ridiculous enough to be disregarded, so to me, it was not the most rational thing to discuss with that user. Have you seen her/his edits? He warns every single person and accuses of doing disruptive edits. It's not only me. That user's like "I won't warn you again, you might be blocked by an admin if you keep changing the article." But what if there's nothing wrong with my edit, but he obviously some religion-related bias, and puts an irrelevant template on an ethnic group page (it's even irrelevant to have that template on the article of ethnic arab people, let alone an ethnic group like this who was Christian for more than 16 centuries (and there are still Christian ones in large numbers, although being a minority comparing to the majority, but Muslim only for 3 centuries. This is ridiculous, isn't it?)

Yours faithfully,Listofpeople (talk) 12:38, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Again, sir, please review this action of yours: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Circassians&diff=718578336&oldid=718577605. If you make a comparison, you will see that you should undo that reversion of yours back to my last version. The only thing that you might perhaps change is putting the flag back to the infobox with the relevant caption. Still though, I kindly suggest that either this or this image are better to be in the infobox as they are very representative of their own kind since it's an homogenous ethnic group at stake. It's not like a nation state, the term does not denote citizenship, it's just an ethnicity, and not a very large one. It's not like Americans where it's better to have the flag, map, or blank for the infobox image.

Please check these articles:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysian_people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bene_Israel

and many others.

Here even in large ethnic groups such as Japanese or Indonesians, people use a non-photomontage single image of regular people since it's OK to do so. I know it's currently not OK to use collage (photomontage) or seperate pictures of notable people as they might not really represent a large nation. However, in the case of images that I suggested, they even wear their only traditional dress and hold the flag of theirs. The picture includes some young dancers and their instructor at the top. There is nothing wrong with that, and the other picture depicts an 18th-century man, again in national costume and flaxen fur hat. While the flag is better to have right below the infobox (outside the infobox) or in the section of tribes (because of the anectode of 12 tribes and 12 stars).

I would really like to hear your thoughts about this. Thank you again.Listofpeople (talk) 12:51, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

(I also removed my message to the administrator.)Listofpeople (talk) 12:54, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

By the way, I am not an expert on the Republic of the Sudan and its people, but I know that there is an exceptional case with it as in the Netherlands.

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_Egypt_and_the_Sudan
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farouk_of_Egypt (See his title)
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan (Even the official name of the country is the Republic of the Sudan as written in the article)

Furthermore, the name with its article is already used throughout the article:

• By virtue of its proximity to Egypt, the Sudan participated in the wider history of the Near East inasmuch as it was Christianized by the 6th century, and Islamized in the 15th.
• Muhammad Ahmad led a successful military campaign against the Turco-Egyptian government of the Sudan.
• ....played an active part in responding to the early incursions (occupation by Italian troops of Kassala and other border areas) into the Sudan from Italian East Africa during 1940.
• The attention of NGOs shifted shortly after the war broke out in the western part of the Sudan known as Darfur.
• ....migrated into the Sudan in the 12th century, intermarried with the indigenous Nubian and other African populations.

But, still, I cannot say that the version without the article (grammar) is completely incorrect. It's just that historically it's been referred to as "the Sudan", but it's no big deal while the issue in the other article is way more serious because there is no alternative to the truth which is one. I am still waiting for your action, sir. The page shouldn't stay with its current version. All my efforts are simply gone in an unjust way, and my hands are tied for some reason and I abstain from reverting it to the final version although I am quite confident in what I did and I see nothing wrong in reverting without discussing things at least in this case, because one doesn't need to discuss fixing grammar and style, saving dead links, adding academic sources, etc. But I will wait for you reverting it and commenting on the report page that the IP user started. I repeat that I didn't remove anything, only removed at best (check it please). I even added more reliable sources, replacing the ones that redirects to webpages that were shut down years ago (and that have no archive). That's what I did. I am looking forward to hearing from you. I am ready to discuss any of my edits, any of them, if needed. But I'm not interested in discussing with that IP user.

Regards, Listofpeople (talk) 13:31, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, and all your hard work trying to improve Wikipedia, but all that hard work can be undone in an instant when one starts to edit war. It doesn't matter who started it, and who is 'right'. I myself have been involved in a number of edit wars, some of which have become quite abusive. The key to not getting blocked or banned is to stop edit warring, even if you think you are right. As soon as you start going over 3 reverts, you risk your editing privileges. Your revert of mine put you at 4 reverts. Now, I don't have much patience for those who edit war, and I can assure you, neither do administrators, especially when one ignore warnings. The reason why I reverted your edits was that there was an edit war, and anyone who edit wars is not going to be getting in my good book. I don't like to rollback when there have been a number of edits, but when an edit war is involved, I prefer to start from the last good pre war state. A clean slate as you will. Now, as it stands, you are one or two edits away from getting blocked. My advice is to give it a rest for a couple of days. Then, start with a few dead links, typos etc. I doubt that anyone will revert those, and it will show your good faith. You can easily capture your previous edits, so don't think of it as all your work has been undone. Also, take it slow. There is no rush or deadline. I can see that you were trying to make good faith edits, but there will be times when there is a conflict. It is how you choose to resolve that conflict that will define you.

Now, I read your comments on the Administrators' noticeboard and this is what I have to say. DO NOT assume. You stated that 'David.moreno72 reverted my edit just because of your misleading and unjust report'. NO, I reverted your edit because there was an edit war. I was on Huggle at the time and I had NOT read any 'report' up to then. When I compared the pre war version, I also saw that the flag had been removed so my revert will stay in effect. Now, I appreciate you coming to my talk page, and had you kept reverting, I would have filed a report myself. I don't agree with the report against you as it stands as I usually wait for an egregious and continuous edit war before filing, but as you stopped your editing to discuss the issue, I can see that you are genuinely wanting to resolve the issue. So, if you are not blocked this is what you do. Take a break. Do something else. Come back to the page in a couple of days so that your 24h 3RRR expires, and start afresh. But most of all, keep up the good work. David.moreno72 (talk) 14:00, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Dear David.moreno72, thank you for your comments. I have just found the opportunity to reply because I was indeed "blocked?" temporarily. I am currently discussing the issue on another talk page. Please read my honest opinion there. However, there is one thing I should write to you personally: As to why I stated on the noticeboard that "David.moreno72 reverted my edit just because of your [referring to the IP] misleading and unjust report.", I apologise for assuming that you did that after seeing the report. Now I see that you reverted my edit just because of the IP's misleading and unjust declaration of edit war. If I didn't know all the article backwards and wasn't aware of the creditibility of my edits, I would perhaps think that there was an edit war when looking from outside and without really checking each of the edits. Your opinion definitely means a lot to me since you are a user who dedicates his time on Wikipedia to deal with vandalism. Yet, I honestly believe that I'm the aggrieved party. I'm trying not to take it personally, but since it's about a subject that is part of my expertise and almost the single subject on which I make contributions on Wikipedia, I felt and feel very much upset because of what happened yesterday.

Sincerely,

Listofpeople (talk) 23:49, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Don't feel too bad about it. Mistakes happen. I know, I also make them all the time. It's how you react to them that defines a good editor. Wikipedia is always in need of good editors, so here is my advice. Have a read of this WP:DGAF WP:ATWV WP:BAIT WP:FAF. Also, don't be a single issue editor. Branch out. It's amazing what's out there. Perhaps go on vandalism patrol. You can do this by clicking on recent edits and randomly picking one. There is a good chance that it will be vandalism as it happens all the time. Revert the change with the comment 'possible vandalism'. Check out some of the 'drives', such as copy editing. By contributing to Wikipedia in other ways it shows that you have a can-do attitude that will be noticed, and will be taken into consideration when things do go wrong. You will get thanked for your contributions, as well as attacked. But most of all don't give up. David.moreno72 (talk) 04:09, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

I appreciate your kind words. I will definitely read those suggested pages, and try to carry your other suggestions into effect. Though, It will be difficult for me to forgive and forget the fact I was unjustly blocked (I still can't believe I'm saying this as I would never guess I would be blocked one day on Wikipedia even if it's for 24 hours only) because of an alleged sockpuppet IP calling the issue "edit warring" out of his battleground instincts and accusing me of "vandalism" and "disruptive editing" on an article of my expertise while these two terms actually identify that IP's own actions. Regards, Listofpeople (talk) 11:20, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

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I have a wild guess on why did you revert on Saiga antelope‎, but such reverts must be explained. Materialscientist (talk) 07:20, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Materialscientist. I intended to just do a small revert. I have reinstated the good edit. Thanks for your comments and suggestions. David.moreno72 (talk) 07:34, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

speedy deletion of rambir singh sangwan

hello sir, please reason me for your request of speedy deletion of this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sangwansunny (talk • contribs) 11:21, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

You have messaged the wrong person. I requested that the page be speedily deleted, and it was. You then recreated the page and a different editor then requested the same page to be deleted, again. The real question is why are you treating Wikipedia like it's Facebook and insisting on having your unremarkable autobiography on it. Please read WP:PROMO and WP:NOTFACEBOOK and WP:BIO. Thank-you David.moreno72 (talk) 11:32, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

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Vandalsim warning

Refusing to engage with people and treating them with respect - for example by censoring their messages. Nice.

Now, dave, you know as well as I do that that source is reliable. I am not advertising shit. Andropogenic allopecia is a condition that seriously affects millions of men worldwide. Perhaps you too are a sufferer? You are called dave so I assume you're a man. Mr Goode had an operation to alleviate his symptoms. that simple fact should be recorded.

A link to a hair treatment centre is not a reliable source. It is spam. And i looked at it, and aside from corroborating that he had the treatment, it does not say that it 'rejuvenated' him, nor does it state that he retired for a second time. That is when a reliable source, such as a newspaper report should be cited as per WP:RS. I have been more than generous in giving you a chance to provide a reliable source but you insist on citing spam as your source. This is clearly unacceptable per WP:EL. If you continue not providing a reliable source that backs your claim, you will likely be blocked as you have already reverted more than 3 times per WP:3RR. Thank-you David.moreno72 (talk) 10:56, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

OK. I see your point. I'll take out rejuvinated. The link isn't spam though - it's for a company dealing with a serious medical condition. GM's knee (talk) 12:53, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

GM's knee, a company dealing with the condition is not a reliable source. Please see WP:RS for more information about what constitutes a reliable source. For David, I might suggest starting a talk page discussion in future? Chrisw80 (talk) 18:02, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Yamato

Why you have delited the yamato things ! I mean whats is the meaning of the Name Yamato and how i ride this in japanses  ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato_(name) is a translation from the german page to Yamato and i thing this better to talk over the name in this i mean to a name you must now the Kanji and whys meaning ! and in the German you find more https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato --Seescedric (talk) 11:30, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

You deleted content. I made the note in the edit description. Try again, this time without deleting content. David.moreno72 (talk) 11:41, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

why do you want to have everything twice? Is that not even more clutter! Because it is already unöbersichtlich for me because the article has too much. Much is never good.--Seescedric (talk) 11:44, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

E.P. Thompson "Emphasize" Misspelling

Hi David,

Just wondering why the change I made to E.P. Thompson's page was reverted. The edit I made involved correcting the spelling of the word "emphasized," which was incorrectly spelled as "emphasised." Thank you

I rolled back a heap of vandalism from your IP range. It was just easier to start from the last known good state. I suggest that you create an account in future. David.moreno72 (talk) 13:14, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi David,

I am just going to fix the spelling of "emphasize" in the E.P. Thompson article once again. I hope this is ok.

Thank you— Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.99.230 (talk) 12:13, 16 May 2016

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West Likupang

Thank you for your contribution. There is however the problem of sources in this and many other pages about Indonesia an dyou haven't referenced your information. Xx236 (talk) 05:32, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

I've tried my best to fix pages that should never have been created. Feel free to do whatever you want, Delete away as you see fit. David.moreno72 (talk) 05:42, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Copyvio images

If an image uploaded to Commons seems to be a copyvio, it's worth going over there and flagging it as such rather than just removing it from the Wikipedia article where it was added, so that the image doesn't hang around continuing to violate copyright. (I've gone ahead and flagged File:Adi-2-463x400.jpg.) --McGeddon (talk) 11:39, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Wow, my talk page is graced by a 100Ker, Congrats on your achievement. Yeah I normally tag the copy vio images and I was just getting around to it. There are just so many. I also see that Huggle left you a CSD message. Sorry about that. It's a rather annoying bug. Is there some way that a redundant redirect can be deleted? Anyway, with all your worthy contributions I'm surprised that you are not an admin. I suppose all good things come to those who wait. So, thanks for your comments. It's a nice change from being vandalised or harassed. David.moreno72 (talk) 11:58, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

I don't know how Huggle handles it, but there are certainly speedy criteria for redirects. I know Twinkle gets confused if an article is redirected from underneath it, though, and templates the redirecter - it's probably best to avoid leaving an article open too long before clicking the speedy buttons, on general principles.

And thanks for the congratulations. No particular interest in becoming an admin here, though, I'm more at the WP:GNOME and antivandal end. --McGeddon (talk) 12:17, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Bill Prady

Thanks for your help with the Bill Prady vandal. I got him blocked for 3 hours yesterday, but he's persistent. So I've requested temporary page protection on Bill Prady. --Krelnik (talk) 14:11, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Widr blocked that IP for a week. --Krelnik (talk) 15:30, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the update David.moreno72 (talk) 15:34, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Hello David,

Glad someone is looking after the internet.

I just created a page that is virtually the same as this one and notice you've flagged and removed it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Home_Shield

What do you suggest for getting a page on a similar company posted, can you do it on my behalf?

Thanks,

Dave Parham — Preceding unsigned comment added by David G. Parham (talk • contribs) 16:06, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

If a company is notable someone without a conflict of interest will likely create an article on it. Here is some recommended reading WP:NOTADVERTISING and WP:ORG. David.moreno72 (talk) 16:15, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Delete that article

@David Please delete Matiur Rahman (military pilot) article as it is full of wrong information. Senthoora poove (talk) 07:20, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

If you feel that the page needs to be deleted, you may nominate it. For further information read WP:AFD. Hope that helps David.moreno72 (talk) 07:29, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

assefme

This is kind of much descriminatory behaviour that is projected by not allowing to have a separate page fora University of Delhi college when most of the colleges do have their pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Assefme (talk • contribs) 12:53, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

The page that you created was a disaster from the beginning. Text was copy and pasted, image was copyrighted and the grammar was very poor. Might be better if someone with more competence wrote the page. Please see WP:COMPETENCE and WP:COPYPASTE. David.moreno72 (talk) 14:37, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Wainamah

New user create Wainamah. Please give time to cite first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by De Geescht vum Herer (talk • contribs) 05:06, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

I back up copy to talk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by De Geescht vum Herer (talk • contribs) 05:10, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Self-referencing redirect not nice to new user.