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Just a request, but can someone bolden the romanized Arabic so people can see how it becomes Daesh? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:CB:8001:28EB:D63:4B7F:A521:2B12 (talk) 16:48, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

You mean how it become "Daesh" in Arabic or you just ask to change font to bolden? Ahmed L.mousa (talk) 21:44, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Pointing out how the letters form the acronym from the Romanized Arabic is next to impossible, because transliteration approximates sounds, not letters. The "a" in "Da'esh" comes from the "I" in "al-Islamiyah" -- because the Arabic letter is the same, and the difference in pronunciation is based on context and diacritical marks. 143.81.29.253 (talk) 02:32, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Additionally, can someone please correct the pronunciation? It's not an [i] after the stop, if anything it's a minimized schwa. Compare to the pronunciation of "da'es" (treader/trampler). 143.81.29.253 (talk) 02:34, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Social media mention in summary

In the fourth paragraph/third sentence of the summary ISIL is described as "Adept at social media". This wording appears to make this subjective characteristic factual without any citations or reasoning, and could probably be improved by expanding with content and citations from the Propaganda and Social Media section; however, I couldn't figure a way to fit it in with the existing sentence structure. Any help? Distransient (talk) 06:37, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Do you think we ca resolve it via attribution? --Mhhossein (talk) 07:08, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Non-correct graphic design of the flag

Either correct the graphic design either add a paragraph that explains the reasons why ISIS hates calligraphy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:587:4109:BF00:C4A2:387E:F301:C52F (talk) 13:14, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2016

ISIS was founded in 2013 not 1999

198.52.13.15 (talk) 09:53, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

 Not done. Its current iteration emerged in 2014, but it's been around in other forms since 1999, as per the sources presented in the article. GAB^gab 14:50, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguate ISIS redirect again?

FYI: On Talk:ISIS there are some opinions (including mine) about restoring ISIS as the disambiguation page (Currently Isis (disambiguation)) in lieu of the current redirect to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.  « Saper // @talk »  00:21, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Change/clarification on Daesh pronunciation/Arabic IPA

I'm struggling to understand how "Daesh" is supposed to be pronounced.

The article says "Arabic: داعش‎‎ dāʿish, IPA: [ˈdaːʕiʃ]", but that can't be right. First of all, "ā" represents a long A (at least in English and therefore on en.wiki) but the IPA pronunciation given immediately after indicates it should actually be a short a. Second, "i" (by itself) is not even a symbol used in IPA for Arabic, so it's unclear whether it's meant to be read as "ɪ" or "i:".

—Rutebega (talk) 01:40, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

"Desh" means one's country or native land. I would say "Daesh" would be pronounced as "Desh", as in Bangladesh. It could be meant to cryptically refer to ISIS, as Desh usually refers to own country/native land[1] !!! --Ne0 (talk) 06:56, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

@Rutebega: I don't understand what you're saying about the ā. [aː] represents long a; the [ː] is the length symbol.

The i is short. The IPA transcription isn't following the IPA help page. I just fixed that. Does it make more sense to you now? — Eru·tuon 07:17, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

@Erutuon:Glad to have the 'i' bit cleared up, but the help page indicates that "a:" should be short, as in father. Unless I've been pronouncing the word "father" very wrong my entire life, something doesn't add up. —Rutebega (talk) 09:41, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Add Obama as possible founder

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Should we include Obama as a 'possible' founder of ISIS, because of Trumps claim that he is, i.e see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3734124/He-founded-ISIS-Trump-claims-Obama-deserves-credit-creating-Middle-Eastern-terror-army-names-crooked-Hillary-founder.html

Since Wikipedia is based on verify ability, I think it passes that test --Eng. M.Bandara-Talk 04:19, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose. Trump is not a reliable scholarly source for such a libelous claim. --HyperGaruda (talk) 08:54, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose as, of course, neither is the Daily Mail. _Muffled ^Pocketed 09:06, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose in the name of seriousness....Aflis (talk) 11:02, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose WP:COMMONSENSE and founder. RegistryKey^(RegEdit) 15:50, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose and question sincerity and purpose of this patently foolish RFC. If serious, submitter should be required to carefully read WP:RS and be warned that further use of poor quality sources will result in a block. Not the first time for this editor. Ravensfire (talk) 16:26, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose. Even Donald Trump has tried to walk back that ridiculous assertion. He has said he was being sarcastic.[2]Smeat75 ([[User

talk:Smeat75|talk]]) 17:34, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

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ISIS are Un-islamic, they do Un-islamic things, calling them Islamic is a insult to 1.6 Billion of the world's population who are Muslim=

I'd like to know if any Wiki editors have even bothered to do any research on what Islam actually is, before making such rational sayings... Its quite insulting for someone who clearly know very little about Islam, but has the audacity to call something Islamic. The only people calling them "islamic" are the uneducated and usual media resources which begs the question to be ask, what is the point of Wikipedia if all your gonna do is take your information from source? Often the worst sources of the lot.

I'm not expecting Wikipedia to have a well documented detailed version of the Quran in its pages, but at least do some reputable research...

Conspiracy theories

What is the point in including fruity loops in this article? --BowlAndSpoon (talk) 14:40, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

General Issues

• Lead should contain a maximum of 4 paragraphs and describe in a concise way the various groups persecuted by ISIS as well as the fact that France and Turkey have been systematically targeted.
• Anti-Zionist and anti-LGBT action is not mentioned at all in the article. Hula Hup (talk) 18:02, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Canada's smart decision

Perhaps Wikipedia can take the Canadian government as an example. Calling Daesh the "Islamic State" only serves their agenda: Canadian Gov’t Will no Longer Call Islamic State by its Name — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.74.186.109 (talk) 12:00, 8 September 2016 (UTC) See the archives of this talk page. Nota bene: all proposals to change the name of this page to "Islamic State", "Islamic State (organization)", "Daesh", "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria", etc., have failed so far.--89.173.36.108 (talk) 19:17, 9 September 2016 (UTC)