Talk:Kek (mythology)

Wikified...

Um.. something is terribly wrong in this article...it needs to be wikified! JD

Split

I prefer a split; you can't have two articles, one about Ancient Egypt, the other about an obscene Swedish word in the same article. Shandris^{the azylean} 13:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that if you split it, the expletive article is going to be votedeleted for not being notable - but an article named Kuk is bound to get this trivia section if one doesn't. Joffeloff 23:02, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Not if this dicdef is removed every time it gets added, though. SnowFire 03:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

kuk is male organ for penis in swedish and norwegian....noting else

Cucu is also one of the Romanian terms for penis, possibly a common Getic? origin see also Oium. hgjryhgjhg is an ancient Egyptian term for a phallus. Gabrieli (talk) 11:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC) Kuk is ~ Ak'b'al in the Mayan Tzolk'in as representing darkness, night, early dawn. Gabrieli (talk) 11:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC) There is also a Balkan phallic deity known as Kuker, whose ritual is performed by Kukeri. The frog and snake theme appears on traditional Romanian wedding jugs, with the frog appropriately sitting partly below and partly on the prominent spout. Gabrieli (talk) 10:16, 21 August 2008 (UTC) Kokopelli is a fertility deity venerated by Native American cultures of the south westerns states of the United States of America that is often depicted with a huge phallus, and is often depicted together with rams, deer, snakes, lizards and insects. Gabrieli (talk) 11:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

k'uk' in Mayan is not equivalent to the calendar day name; instead it refers to quetzal (the bird) in Western branch Mayan languages. AFAIK the "S. Goddard Foxe" given as reference is an astrologer, so wld seem not an appropriate source.

In any case, neither that nor Kokopelli have anything to do with the subject of this article, so not sure why they're being brought up in this context. Is the intention to provide disambiguation for other similarly written terms? If so, would be better to follow WP:DAB guidelines instead of incorporating these otherwise unrelated elements into the article here itself. --cjllw ʘ TALK 03:48, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback CJLL. To split hairs, not equivalence, but a ~ , was described. Although I found the similarity match of concepts represented interesting, I concede the curly question of Ak'b'al can't properly fit this topic category. A k'uk in the hand is worth two in the bush :) But seriously, thanks, now I 'see' the lexical relationship of k'uk as in Kukulkan the 'feathered' serpent, sometimes depicted in human form with a bird on its/his back. S. Goddard Foxe does have a doctorate, however unless someone knows whether it is in a domain related to this topic, I suppose she won't be accepted as an appropriate source here. Upon further reflection, the thematic link of snakes represented in Ogdoadic deities such as Kukut/Keket compared with deities of the Pre-Columbian Americas such as Kokopelli or Kukumatz/Kukulkan for that matter is not appropriate here. Kokopelli (and Kuker too), as phallic deities I consider are appropriate as informative asides with regards to the first posts in this 'split' proposal regarding kuk as being the term in some languages for penis.Gabrieli (talk) 09:06, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem. As for the "penis" reference in some other langs, maybe the best way to deal with it is have a Kuk (disambiguation) page, where that can be noted as an alternative meaning along with the others presently mentioned in the hatnote. As someone noted above, there's no way that dictionary def meaning will substantiate an article. Cheers, --cjllw ʘ TALK 07:06, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Kuk = Huh?

Kuk seems inexplicably similar to Huh in most details, down to the female snaky form named Kauket (compare Hauhet). Why is this? Are they the same? 98.65.164.88 (talk) 20:51, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

No. The Ogdoad was an assemblage of eight gods who represented the characteristics of the chaos that, the Egyptians believed, existed before creation. Huh was infinity, Kuk was darkness, Nu was wateriness, and Amun was hiddenness. The other four members were the female counterparts of those gods, and they had the same names, with the addition a feminine suffix -t. When the Ogdoad gods are depicted together, they have uniform attributes: all the males are frogs and the females are snakes, because the Egyptians associated those creatures with water (and therefore chaos). Outside of the Ogdoad, Nu had something of an individual identity, and Amun had a fully formed iconography and characteristics, but Huh and Kuk were mostly just personifications of concepts and had little character. The four female members of the Ogdoad are even more boring. A. Parrot (talk) 21:36, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Kuk (disambiguation) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 18:14, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Request Lock

4chan's /x/ and /pol/ boards are starting a modern revival of Kuk worship and occult practice in connection with their belief that he can be used as a doomsday god to bring about a refreshing end to the world. I would advise locking this article until these boards stop concerning themselves with this deity in order to prevent the inevitable vandalism that could come of this.

172.56.10.68 (talk) 06:07, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

So that's why there's been so much vandalism here lately. Thanks for letting us know. I'll request longer semiprotection at WP:RFPP. A. Parrot (talk) 07:07, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

The future must not belong to those who defame the followers of Kek. Please do not use wikipedia to make light of the faith of others.

The worship of this entity does not belong to you, or your interpretation. Wikipedia will not implement policies designed to restrict the discourse of articles just because some self-proclaimed 'true' follower deems it so. --Donenne (talk) 15:33, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

>15:33

Kek has blessed her with small GET of dubs, therefore she is right and her authority is to be respected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Testman42 (talk • contribs) 12:13, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Shadilay, amen. --81.213.214.211 (talk) 10:37, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Kek is awake. No form of control will contain him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.176.227.161 (talk) 06:43, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

KEK has awakened. Double digits, blessed by sacred seven, brought Trump to office. --81.213.214.211 (talk) 10:35, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

His holy power awakens. Pepe and its connection to Meme Magic (Chaos Magick) must be allowed to exist on its page. --81.213.214.211 (talk) 10:36, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 16 September 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved — JFG ^talk 15:44, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

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Kuk (mythology) → Kek (mythology) – Per WP:COMMONNAME, 'Kek' is more popular than 'Kuk'. Per WP:TITLE, a natural disambiguation is preferable to a parenthetical if a suitable alternative is found. There is no present Wikipedia article with the title 'Kek'.
Google searches on the two terms:
"Kek" ("Mythology" OR God) gets "About 699,000 results" while
"Kuk" ("Mythology" OR God) gets "About 410,000 results".

Sources that put a preference for 'Kek' over 'Kuk' include all the sources currently mentioned within the article itself:

This satisfies WP:RELIABLE. --Donenne (talk) 13:37, 16 September 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 18:42, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

References

• @Donenne: is there a typo in your template, shouldn't it read Kek (mythology), since Kek is a dab page? In ictu oculi (talk) 15:59, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

I have corrected it. --Donenne (talk) 02:28, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose removal of (mythology), neutral on Kuk/Kek There are other Kek on the Kek dab page, Hungarian place name for a start. As for https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=kek+egypt+death&num=10 vs https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=kuk+egypt+death&num=10 there isn't a great deal in it. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:06, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
• Comment: This seems to be a malformed multi-page move request, as the proposed destination name is already occupied (by a dab page). The proponent has not suggested what should be done with that page. —BarrelProof (talk) 16:17, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
• Comment. "Kek" is the much more common spelling. For example, it's used in both of the standard English-language reference works for deities, The Complete Gods and Goddesses of Ancient Egypt and The Routledge Dictionary of Egyptian Gods and Goddesses. I would have requested a move long ago, but I didn't want to mess with the complications created by the disambiguation page. Besides, I think this article should really be merged with Ogdoad, as there's next to nothing to say about Kek as an individual god, but that's a whole other discussion. A. Parrot (talk) 05:57, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
• Support per above. I think Kek should have it's own page, it's been getting thousands of views recently according to the page view statistics. There is an interest in learning about this god, maybe it could be expanded one day? ZN3ukct (talk) 16:51, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

He gets attention because he resembles a bunch of memes that 4channers are obsessed with, not because there's much to say about the god himself. The 4chan Kek phenomenon is only about six months old, and as far as I know no RSes have discussed it. Which reminds me: could somebody semiprotect this page again? The 4channers are busy. A. Parrot (talk) 01:29, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Irrespective of where this newly found interest comes from, even if it from the darkest corners of the internet, it is still interest. Just because there are individuals like 420dankmemes who are obsessed with this doesn't lessen the arguments provided above for changing the name of this article to the more common form of spelling. If you disagree with the rfc, then please post your Wikipedia-related reasons for doing so. But preventing a name change in spite of a newly created internet pseudo-religious cult has no merit among Wikipedia policies. --Donenne (talk) 03:06, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Donenne: I'm not opposing the name change. If anything, I'm in favor of it. I'm just saying that I'd prefer this article to be merged with Ogdoad at some point, because there's very little to say about this god by himself. His only significance in ancient Egypt is as a member of the Ogdoad. The attention that the 4channers have given to Kek might make him merit a separate article, but only if their interest in him is covered by reliable sources. So far, it isn't. A. Parrot (talk) 03:16, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

[1] Check out this article ZN3ukct (talk) 10:47, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I believe the BBC constitutes as a reliable source. --Donenne (talk) 05:55, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

• Support for moving this article to "Kek (mythology)" and expanding on a section specifically dealing with Kek insofar as it relates to Alt-right worship thereof. JamesBay (talk) 18:29, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
• Support. A look at the cited sources and others found via Google Books suggests that "Kek" is the more common spelling of this god's name.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:44, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Ammit

Do any texts have have these two interacting? This is another example of an Egyptian deity presented in both genders and I am not sure how common that was. Ranze (talk) 05:49, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Pepe the Frog

http://www.dailydot.com/unclick/trump-rare-pepes-rain-frogs-meme/ http://motherboard.vice.com/read/trumps-occult-online-supporters-believe-pepe-meme-magic-got-him-elected

Two sources that link Kek to Pepe the Frog. Shadilay (talk) 14:23, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2016

Wew lod (talk) 04:42, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

change the empty space at the bottom with a segment on modern kek worship.

I would like to add a "revitalization" segment to the page as THOUSANDS currently worship this deity!

https://pepethefrogfaith.wordpress.com/

www.knowyourmeme.com/memes/cult-of-kek

there are even songs about him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nak1TAx1kvs

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. EvergreenFir (talk) 06:06, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

In the 21st century

The number of Kek worshipers began to increase in 2016, many of whom were also said to be part of the alt-right. A common way followers showed their appreciation for the deity was by saying "Praise Kek". They consider Pepe the Frog to be a modern form of him.

References

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