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::Please read [[WP:MEDRS]]. Not seeing that paper as pubmed indexed?[https://www.bap.org.uk/articles/chlorpromazine-the-first-antipsychotic/] Also we have a newer Lancet review. The RCPSYCH is okay. [[User:Doc James|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 15:23, 14 October 2017 (UTC) will do this after the following (viz. '''Recommended uses''' ''et cetera'') is viewed by yourself, since I'm feeling initially the value of two national organisations out-weighs the possible invalidity of material indicated by the lack of a pubmed indexed value. thanks again [[User:1a16additional|1a16additional]] ([[User talk:1a16additional|talk]]) 15:53, 14 October 2017 (UTC) |
::Please read [[WP:MEDRS]]. Not seeing that paper as pubmed indexed?[https://www.bap.org.uk/articles/chlorpromazine-the-first-antipsychotic/] Also we have a newer Lancet review. The RCPSYCH is okay. [[User:Doc James|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 15:23, 14 October 2017 (UTC) will do this after the following (viz. '''Recommended uses''' ''et cetera'') is viewed by yourself, since I'm feeling initially the value of two national organisations out-weighs the possible invalidity of material indicated by the lack of a pubmed indexed value. thanks again [[User:1a16additional|1a16additional]] ([[User talk:1a16additional|talk]]) 15:53, 14 October 2017 (UTC) |
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"...especially [[positive symptoms]] (source: [[United States Department of Veterans Affairs|the United States Government Department of Veteran Affairs]] - [https://www.mirecc.va.gov/visn22/Facts_about_Antipsychotic_Medications_Veteran_and_Family_Handout.pdf Facts about anti-psychotic medications] Accessed October 14th, 2017 [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=antipsychotics+used+to+treat+the+positive+symptoms+of+psychosis&rls=com.microsoft:en-GB:IE-Address&rlz=1I7LENP&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=bks&biw=1600&bih=754 sources showing supporting evidence]) including [[delusion]]s, [[hallucination]]s, [[paranoia]] or [[disordered thought]]), principally in [[schizophrenia]] and [[bipolar disorder]],.." |
"...especially [[positive symptoms]] (source: [[United States Department of Veterans Affairs|the United States Government Department of Veteran Affairs]] - [https://www.mirecc.va.gov/visn22/Facts_about_Antipsychotic_Medications_Veteran_and_Family_Handout.pdf Facts about anti-psychotic medications] Accessed October 14th, 2017 [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=antipsychotics+used+to+treat+the+positive+symptoms+of+psychosis&rls=com.microsoft:en-GB:IE-Address&rlz=1I7LENP&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=bks&biw=1600&bih=754 sources showing supporting evidence]) including [[delusion]]s, [[hallucination]]s, [[paranoia]] or [[disordered thought]]), principally in [[schizophrenia]] and [[bipolar disorder]],.." |
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I haven't looked to see if there is mention further into the article of the term ''positive symptoms'', although there is indication of the fact of [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=44_zy35zFnIC&pg=PA113&dq=definition+of+psychosis&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjK4ZXiwvDWAhUJiRoKHcMeD5AQ6AEILDAB#v=onepage&q=definition%20of%20psychosis&f=false disagreement] (Doctor) as to the actual indication of the term psychosis, I'm able to at least find the use of anti-psychotics to treat primarily positive symptoms is indicated by evidence from sources. [[User:1a16additional|1a16additional]] ([[User talk:1a16additional|talk]]) 16:37, 14 October 2017 (UTC) |
I haven't looked to see if there is mention further into the article of the term ''positive symptoms'', although there is indication of the fact of [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=44_zy35zFnIC&pg=PA113&dq=definition+of+psychosis&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjK4ZXiwvDWAhUJiRoKHcMeD5AQ6AEILDAB#v=onepage&q=definition%20of%20psychosis&f=false disagreement] (Doctor) as to the actual indication of the term psychosis, I'm able to at least find the use of anti-psychotics to treat primarily positive symptoms is indicated by evidence from sources. [[User:1a16additional|1a16additional]] ([[User talk:1a16additional|talk]]) 16:37, 14 October 2017 (UTC) |
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added : https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antipsychotic&diff=prev&oldid=805325666 [[User:1a16additional|1a16additional]] ([[User talk:1a16additional|talk]]) 16:41, 14 October 2017 (UTC) (thanks) |
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question[1] quick question did you shorten text b/c it was redundant or not accurate[2] Autophagy is mediated by a unique organelle called the autophagosome(5th sentence after abstract) ?thanks--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:12, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Removing parasitology from periodontitisDoc James, you are remove everything I add to periodontitis. Is there any way we can show the reality of periodontal infection and curing method? This removing is keeping low knokedge to such a disease. Parasitology is part of periodontitis from 1914 studies. So tell how I do? Also we can cure this disease relatively easily changing the sulcus microbiota! This we know from 1980. So will you only leave AAP no piwer to this disease? Also you say Youtubes if mine are not correct films. Do you want me, or may I place them all on communs and they are more accepted? Really tell me! Thank you! Tdebouches (talk) 07:49, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
Alkhurma virus (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) A new editor want to rename it "Alkhumra virus" (m-r swap) citing some Saudi guy. Also, dumping a huge list of journal cites. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 09:18, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
Moving Articles to Main SpaceDoc James, I appreciate you working with this article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kaveh_Alizadeh) to make sure it's the best it can be. I'm curious as to what the next steps are in moving it to the main space, as I asked in late September what I needed to do to square it with you and hadn't heard back. Can you let me know what needs to happen next? This has been a very instructional process for this and future articles. Thanks. Alikouros (talk) 01:25, 10 October 2017 (UTC) Nomination for deletion of Template:EasyEnTemplate:EasyEn has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:23, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Followup on Leslie BeckerI noticed a request to re-create was posted to your talk page on 3 October 15:05, and the subsequent creation of the page on 3 October 15:41. ☆ Bri (talk) 16:58, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Paul KrugerHi. You protected the article Paul Kruger for vandalism, however, it is the TFA, so vandalism is normal. If you could reduce the duration it would be better because it won't be an active page once it is off. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 21:42, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Regarding an ongoing AfDHello, James. There's an ongoing AfD which might be of your interest: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Touch-type Read and Spell. Thanks. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:00, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
re: simple language and syntaxHey doc, thanks for the message and reminder of the style guide. It's always good to refresh oneself with the explicit guidelines WP provides us...I often forget how specific it can get! Preface: Your bio contains the following message: "P.S. My spelling and grammar are poor, so thank you for correcting them." My hope is that I can convince you that the change I made warranted a "thank you" and not an "undo" ;) I definitely understand the importance of making articles accessible, and certainly didn't intend to obfuscate when I changed "not enough" to "inadequate." I reviewed the guidelines on lead sections, and found these relevant bites from the Accessible Overview section: - "[...] avoid lengthy paragraphs and over-specific descriptions." - "[...] avoid difficult-to-understand terminology and symbols." The word choice in question is found in the opening sentence: "Angina, also known as angina pectoris, is the sensation of chest pain, pressure, or squeezing, often due to not enough blood flow to the heart muscle as a result of obstruction or spasm of the coronary arteries." As a native English speaker, the clause "often due to not enough blood flow" immediately strikes me as syntactically clunky. I must admit that I am no linguist, and in fact I wouldn't necessarily argue that this clause is technically grammatically incorrect. Hopefully, though, you can see where I (and other users who have edited the phrase) was coming from when I changed the clause to "often due to inadequate blood flow." Another user chose to use the word insufficient, which is almost identical in meaning and complexity, and similarly solves the problem by eliminating the compound adjective that snags things up somewhat. I agree that "insufficient" and "inadequate" are slightly more complex than "not enough", but I wouldn't agree that they warrant characterization as over-specific or difficult-to-understand rhetoric. As anecdotal as this statement may be, I personally would not hesitate to use these words around someone who speaks English as a second language. Objective measures would provide a more convincing argument though, so I found some. I'd point out first, in order to establish a reference point, that you seem to have no qualms with the use of the word "sensation" in the opening sentence. This is a word with similar complexity and modern prevalence to "inadequate". According to Google Ngram viewer, which tracks the historical and contemporary use of words, "inadequate" is actually used more commonly than "sensation". The phrase "not enough"? Well that actually falls below "inadequate" too, with a prevalence of 0.0013%. This actually surprised me, but the data speaks for itself. My final point would be that people speaking English as a second language would probably want be exposed to the language the way it's commonly spoken and written, as opposed to reading unorthodox syntax & word choice that clunks only to offer minimal improvement in accessibility. Anyone struggling with common words like sensation or inadequate also has access to the Simple English Wikipedia. In summary, I contend that "inadequate" is a superior word choice because it improves sentence flow and better represents standard English syntax and vocabulary. My sentiment is corroborated by the fact that other users have tried to make virtually identical changes. I'm interested to hear what you think; I believe I've made my position compelling.
By the way, I just wanted to also thank you for your obviously substantial contribution to Wikipedia's healthcare content. Vigilant users such as yourself keep Wikipedia trustworthy.Afw35 (talk) 22:27, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
Without going into the broader paid-editing-motives of the editor, did the edits by Bu11man7 improve the article, even marginally?Regards:)Winged Blades of GodricOn leave 06:06, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
A barnstar for your efforts
I saw you deleted Gaurav Kotli via A7. An older version of the article cited some Hindi newspapers that were removed. I can't read Hindi and can't tell just how useful they are; I just wonder whether you were aware that some news coverage may exist when you deleted the page? Huon (talk) 13:42, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
Apparent socking on CircumcisionI'm most likely involved there, so I would appreciate if you could perhaps take a look. Thanks, GABgab 00:26, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
Referencing for cholecalciferolThanks for pointing out to me that NICE and BNF are not always readable in different parts of the world. However you have reverted to non-electronic links which are also unreadable to all online. We have been using multiple different sources to standard prescribing details, so I will trim these to use www.drugs.com. Also you reverted my change to put the physiology of this natural agent before its use as a medicine. For other hormones, we have the physiology first -- see thyroxine, estrogen, insulin for example. In general, the emphasis with vitamin D and its forms is too heavily weighted on supplement use. Jrfw51 (talk) 09:01, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
Not so for thyroxine or estrogen. These are similar compounds. Jrfw51 (talk) 13:10, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
Link_:_tranquilizershttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Antipsychotic#Link_:_tranquilizers 1a16additional (talk) 12:08, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi Doc James, thanks for that work on the above. I think it was probably needed, and better for it. Why would you think it is a paid article? To be honest, I haven't seen that udp tag before. I checked Google Scholar, and the guy has a 66k citations, an immense number, before I passed it out of WP:AFC. I thought he was well passed the threshold of acceptance. It didn't look like a paid for article, although I am more used to dealing with bankers and entrepreneurs and they tend to be easily recognized for what they are. scope_creep (talk) 13:36, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
YGMTake a peek at your inbox:)Winged Blades of GodricOn leave 13:50, 14 October 2017 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antipsychotic&diff=prev&oldid=805305996 1a16additional (talk) 13:53, 14 October 2017 (UTC) re-added material from the debate at editorial line 12:01, 14 October 2017 (commencing at edit 03:43, 14 October 2017 , of material added 21:44, 12 October 2017) as there are additional sources indicating, copyedited two sentences) 1a16additional (talk) 13:53, 14 October 2017 (UTC) Antipsychotic 1a16additional (talk) 13:54, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:1a16additional/sandbox#anti-psychotic 1a16additional (talk) 15:18, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
1st additionRecommended uses They are not recommended for dementia or insomnia unless other treatments have not worked.[1] They are not recommended in children unless other treatments are not effective or unless the child has psychosis.[1] The World Health Organisation provides a description of recommendations for the prescription of anti-psychotics for the purposes of the treatment of psychosis. [2] Approved use and un-approved use The prescription of anti-psychotics, outside of the approved or recommended prescription is know as off-label. [3][4] added: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antipsychotic&diff=prev&oldid=805320123 1a16additional (talk) 15:57, 14 October 2017 (UTC) addition (2nd)"...especially positive symptoms (source: the United States Government Department of Veteran Affairs - Facts about anti-psychotic medications Accessed October 14th, 2017 sources showing supporting evidence) including delusions, hallucinations, paranoia or disordered thought), principally in schizophrenia and bipolar disorder,.." I haven't looked to see if there is mention further into the article of the term positive symptoms, although there is indication of the fact of disagreement (Doctor) as to the actual indication of the term psychosis, I'm able to at least find the use of anti-psychotics to treat primarily positive symptoms is indicated by evidence from sources. 1a16additional (talk) 16:37, 14 October 2017 (UTC) added : https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antipsychotic&diff=prev&oldid=805325666 1a16additional (talk) 16:41, 14 October 2017 (UTC) (thanks) SourcesHi Doc. If you get a moment, please take a look at two recent edits ([11][12]) to Glans penis. I undid the most recent one because the citation given doesn't appear to support the text, but I'm also wondering if it's MEDRS-compliant. The earlier one removed a citation to Masters & Johnson, and I was wondering if that was kosher — old source, I know, but is it generally deprecated or sometimes OK in context? RivertorchFIREWATER 16:06, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
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- ^ a b "American Psychiatric Association Five Things Physicians and Patients Should Question". Choosing Wisely. Retrieved 23 September 2013.
- ^ Antipsychotic medications for psychotic disorders World Health Organisation 2012 Accessed October 12th, 2017
- ^ Best Practice Advocacy Centre (New Zealand) & (Dr E. Monasterio, A. McKean) - Prescribing atypical antipsychotics in general practice Best Practice Advocacy Centre New Zealand Accessed October 14th, 2017
- ^ U.S. Food and Drug administration Understanding Unapproved Use of Approved Drugs "Off Label" Accessed October 14th, 2017