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:This is not a fan site. It is an encyclopedia. Everything, especially including opinions, needs sources. Debate the greatest football player of all time [https://www.onefootballforum.co.uk/index.php somewhere else] more suited to declarations of fandom.[[User:Eggishorn|Eggishorn]] [[User talk:Eggishorn|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Eggishorn|(contrib)]] 03:11, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
:This is not a fan site. It is an encyclopedia. Everything, especially including opinions, needs sources. Debate the greatest football player of all time [https://www.onefootballforum.co.uk/index.php somewhere else] more suited to declarations of fandom.[[User:Eggishorn|Eggishorn]] [[User talk:Eggishorn|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Eggishorn|(contrib)]] 03:11, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
I think the point has already been proven, but this encyclopedia turns out to be a one that reflects the opinions of few editors, instead of millions of people's opinions on the matter. when u don't have anything left to say, you answer like u do, but even u know ronaldo did anything needed to worth the change, and i don't need to give u countless of sources of his historical, top of the history acheivements, records, and statistics, cause u yourself know i'm right, but i guess you just have a personal motive to not want the change to be made. U can make the obvious change, or not, but it still won't change reality which is not reflected now in the entry at all!, it just hurts Wikipedia's reputation, and make it look bad and unproffesional. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.111.233.230|84.111.233.230]] ([[User talk:84.111.233.230#top|talk]]) 12:27, 30 December 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
I think the point has already been proven, but this encyclopedia turns out to be a one that reflects the opinions of few editors, instead of millions of people's opinions on the matter. when u don't have anything left to say, you answer like u do, but even u know ronaldo did anything needed to worth the change, and i don't need to give u countless of sources of his historical, top of the history acheivements, records, and statistics, cause u yourself know i'm right, but i guess you just have a personal motive to not want the change to be made. U can make the obvious change, or not, but it still won't change reality which is not reflected now in the entry at all!, it just hurts Wikipedia's reputation, and make it look bad and unproffesional. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.111.233.230|84.111.233.230]] ([[User talk:84.111.233.230#top|talk]]) 12:27, 30 December 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2017 ==

{{edit semi-protected|Cristiano Ronaldo|answered=no}}
I am copy-pasting the request. Hello. I feel the part 'Often considered the best player in the world and widely regarded as one of the greatest of all time' should be changed to 'Often considered the best player in the world and widely regarded as the greatest of all time.' It seems to me that the person who edits this article is not a regular football follower. In my country, Portugal, a country of 11 million people, Cristiano Ronaldo is revered as the Greatest of All Time. I fail to understand how a 5-time Ballon d'Or winner, a player who has delivered for his clubs AND his nation, is supposedly regarded as 'one of' the greatest of all time, when in fact, he is widely considered the outright Greatest of All Time. For true football followers, I don't really think sources are needed to understand this. But still, a few links.

<ref>http://www.goal.com/en/news/cristiano-ronaldo-best-player-history-zinedine-zidane/foi4gh8kjmnnzd1u7pi88fe6</ref>

<ref>http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11835/11161728/cristiano-ronaldo-says-he-is-the-best-player-in-history-after-ballon-dor-win</ref>

<ref>http://www.goal.com/euro2016/en/article/no-more-arguments-if-ronaldo-wins-euro-2016-hes-had-a-better-career-than-messi/1ahg7e3z31tsu182uubuptkn8c</ref>

<ref>http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42287611</ref>

<ref>https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/815554/Cristiano-Ronaldo-greatest-footballer-Pele-Lionel-Messi-Maradona-George-Best-Johan-Cruyff</ref>

<ref>https://www.eurosport.com/football/euro-2016/2016/euro-2016-final-no-limits-to-cristiano-ronaldo-s-greatness-as-he-has-his-maradona-moment_sto5683189/story.shtml</ref>

<ref>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3678723/Cristiano-Ronaldo-dragged-Portugal-Euro-2016-final-winning-trophy-greatest-achievement-ultimate-one-Lionel-Messi.html</ref>

<ref>http://www.goal.com/en-in/news/cristiano-ronaldo-above-lionel-messi-real-madrid-great/xswe3yw9levc1kdo3zdn2rney</ref>

<ref>http://www.goal.com/en/news/no-one-compares-to-ronaldo-marcelo-backs-up-real-madrid/8vnzwxpr3pxs15hnzhoxx0qqc</ref>

It's a matter of opinions. But on a site like Wikipedia, referring to Cristiano Ronaldo as 'widely considered as one of the greatest of all time' shows a complete lack of football understanding, and also disrespect to a player who has reached the pinnacle individually, on club level, and most importantly, on the international stage. The current statement is also a lie; Cristiano Ronaldo is, IN FACT, widely considered the greatest of all time. [[User:André53|André53]] ([[User talk:André53|talk]]) 14:30, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Revision as of 14:30, 30 December 2017

Former good article nomineeCristiano Ronaldo was a Sports and recreation good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
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January 30, 2011Good article nomineeNot listed
August 17, 2014Good article nomineeNot listed
June 7, 2016Good article nomineeNot listed
Current status: Former good article nominee


References

"Ronaldo came to the attention of Manchester United manager Alex Ferguson in August 2003, when Sporting defeated United 3–1 at the inauguration of the Estádio José Alvalade in Lisbon."

Sentence should be rephrased. As pointed out by Bleacher Report's Sam Pilger, United had originally planned to sign Ronaldo and then loan him back to Sporting for a year. After the preseason game they wanted him in Manchester immediately. Hurrygane (talk) 21:24, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

SAF warned Man United players about Cristiano prior to the particular match. Hurrygane (talk) 21:24, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Football campus and sponsorship

In 2007, the C.D. Nacional renovated their statidum, the Estádio da Madeira and named their youth campus, the Cristiano Ronaldo Campus Futebol (Cristiano Ronaldo Football Campus), can someone add this to 'In popular culture' section, at the beginning of the 5th paragraph? http://www.cdnacional.pt/cristiano-ronaldo-campus-futebol/

The museum sponsors União da Madeira[1]

46.254.251.216 (talk) 17:13, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done Purijj (talk) 13:16, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2338033-cristiano-ronaldo-sponsors-lower-division-club-in-his-hometown-of-madeira

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2017

Invalid link: http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/der-spiegel-football-leaks-exclusive-cristiano-ronaldo-rape-allegation-a-1143910.htm

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Ronaldo best of all time

It's definetly about time to change: "often regarded as one of the best of all time", to "often regarded as the best player of all time". there are so many talks around the world right now about it, and many many people agree ronaldo has become a candidate to be the greatest of all time, along with pele, maradona, messi, and cruijff. it's time to change it people, be objective! earlier i understood why u took this statement off, but rn if u won't add it back, it might hurt wikipedia's reputation as an objective source of media, because the statement "OFTEN considered/ regarded as the best of all time" is actually a FACT already! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.111.233.230 (talk) 17:08, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2017

nick name: pettikada 27.0.147.93 (talk) 05:29, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  shivam (t) 08:40, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2017

Please change 'Often considered the best player in the world and widely regarded as one of the greatest of all time' to 'Often considered the best player in the world and widely regarded as the greatest of all time.' Ronaldo is widely considered the greatest of all time after his fifth Ballon d'Or and heroics for his national team, with whom he won a major trophy (The Euro trophy).

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An extract from the article: Real Madrid manager Zinedine Zidane hails Cristiano Ronaldo as the greatest player ever after fifth Ballon d'Or win. Ghannish07 (talk) 19:19, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: I think the current version is fine. —MRD2014 Talk 03:35, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think he's 100 percent right. it definitely should be changed to "Often considered the best player in the world and widely regarded as the greatest of all time." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.111.233.230 (talk) 09:25, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why am I not surprised that a single-purpose account used only for commenting on this page thinks that Ronaldo is the best player ever? – PeeJay 14:23, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
PeeJay - I respect your own opinion, but if wikipedia is objective, they need to change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.111.233.230 (talk) 14:59, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Fine as it is after a long discussion. Kante4 (talk) 18:28, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Who's to say it's not a true statement? i really question the editor's objectivness here.
It's all subjective. Some agree, some disagree. Kante4 (talk) 18:46, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Some agree, some disagree" - And that's why the statement - "OFTEN considered the best of all time" is a true statement, and should replace the current statement. thanks Kante4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.111.233.230 (talk) 18:48, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Often" implies that his name is usually at the top of the list when list of the best players of all time are compiled. I would fancy that he shares that distinction with a fair few other players, and the odd quote from someone with a vested interest in people considering Ronaldo better than the rest isn't going to change that. We had a discussion about this earlier this year, and a fifth Ballon d'Or isn't enough to alter the current wording. – PeeJay 19:00, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
PeeJay - "Often" does not imply to some lists that only a little percent of people are voting in (most people don't vote on those lists), it's more than that and ronaldo proved countless times is a fair candidate to be the best of all time. a lot of people thinks he's the best, and ignoring them completely proves the conclusion of this discussion can't be objective! as i said the sentence "Often considered.." is a true statement, and i find ruling it out shows that Wikipedia is not a 100 percent objective source of media, but contains a lot of subjective info which is in control of those who have the power to edit. enough said!
You only think that because your opinion isn't being reflected here. The fact is, you're not the only person who thinks the way you do, but there was a discussion and it was decided that the wording you suggest was not a fair reflection of the situation. Since it's very unlikely things have changed much in the last few months, please learn to accept the situation as it is and drop the stick. – PeeJay 19:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That discussion here just prove that Wikipedia isn't objective, and editors just do whatever they want. if some people think ronaldo is the best, but some don't, then u exclude the statement completely, but with messi some people think he's the best, and some don't, but u still don't exclude the statement. that's like been caught red-handed for subjectivity. this site is uneven, and it seems like Wikipedia has become like some kind of site that reflects personal opinions of the editors, and that's a joke! Also i am pretty conviced u are here just to protect your own opinion which is reflected because the editors don't want to right the truth - which is ronaldo is considered (OFTEN)!
Again, you are only saying that because your opinion isn't reflected in the article. If you can't think objectively, please leave. – PeeJay 19:49, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
PeeJay - U are the one who's subjective. u know i'm right here, but u came to protect your opinion which is reflected in the article. please leave. I'm here cause some people (as a fact!) think ronaldo is the best, but editors ignore it completely. u are here cause u want to defend your opinion and ignore completely any other opinion. see the difference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.111.233.230 (talk) 19:51, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And other people think Ronaldo is just one of the best, not the absolute best. Sure, some people think he's the best, but it's fairer to say he's simply one of the best. – PeeJay 19:57, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
U can say the same thing about messi - sure some thinks is the best, but some think is just one of the best, so it's fairer to say he's simply one of the best. Sorry, but that's not an objective observation, and i give up here cause the conclusion is definitely not objective. there's nothing u can say about messi's career, that can't be said about ronaldo as well. Messi might have a more elegant style of play, but in terms of acheivements ronaldo doesn't fall from messi anyway. Wikipedia pretty much seem as a joke, when some editors decide whatever they prefer, and that's why dictionaries are always better than Wikipedia - no Monopoly on opinions!
Yes, you could say the same about Messi, and I would even argue that you should say the same about Messi, Maradona, Pele, Cruyff, Best and all the rest who come into the discussion. But this discussion is about this article alone; if you want to argue for the wording to be changed on the others, I suggest you open discussions there instead. – PeeJay 20:17, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It won't matter. as i clearly see, it all comes down to the editor's personal opinion at the end (even if they declare themselves as "objective"). It's really hard to take Wikipedia seriously, when same situations are being handled totally different.
Dude, settle down. Wikipedia is not set in stone, we can make changes. But we don't just change something because one editor thinks it should be changed. Normally I would suggest that we have a discussion about this, but since one already happened so recently, it would be pretty moot to do so. So again, as I said, if you want other articles changed, we'll look at them on a case-by-case basis, but this one should probably keep the current wording for now. – PeeJay 21:05, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Do whatever u wanna do, it's clear to me that this is not based on objective conclusion, and what u write really does little difference anyway. And i don't even think myself there's someone who is the best, there are some who are at the top and ronaldo is clearly among them, but there isn't really "the best", i just really hate hypocrisy, and subjectivity has no place in a site like this who's meant to be an objective source of media, but clearly isn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.111.233.230 (talk) 21:21, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5159957/Cristiano-Ronaldo-greatest-Zinedine-Zidane.html
  2. ^ http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42287611

Semi-protected edit request on 29 December 2017

Hello. I feel the part 'Often considered the best player in the world and widely regarded as one of the greatest of all time' should be changed to 'Often considered the best player in the world and widely regarded as the greatest of all time.' It seems to me that the person who edits this article is not a regular football follower. In my country, Portugal, a country of 11 million people, Cristiano Ronaldo is revered as the Greatest of All Time. I fail to understand how a 5-time Ballon d'Or winner, a player who has delivered for his clubs AND his nation, is supposedly regarded as 'one of' the greatest of all time, when in fact, he is widely considered the outright Greatest of All Time. André53 (talk) 20:29, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh look, another account with his first edit talking about the same statement like the other accounts who just showed up, hmmmm... Kante4 (talk) 22:39, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:57, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why am i not surprised. another one and another one are coming to ask for the change, and that says it all! The fact that you edited more Wikipedia terms, doesn't make u a football expert more than one who didn't edited before. It just shows what is right, but somehow is twisted in the edit! And Eggishorn - there's no sources for the matter of opinion, it's not statisics, but with so much people thinking he is the greatest, and his acheivements which are historical in any measurments, the change should be made no doubt.

This is not a fan site. It is an encyclopedia. Everything, especially including opinions, needs sources. Debate the greatest football player of all time somewhere else more suited to declarations of fandom.Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 03:11, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think the point has already been proven, but this encyclopedia turns out to be a one that reflects the opinions of few editors, instead of millions of people's opinions on the matter. when u don't have anything left to say, you answer like u do, but even u know ronaldo did anything needed to worth the change, and i don't need to give u countless of sources of his historical, top of the history acheivements, records, and statistics, cause u yourself know i'm right, but i guess you just have a personal motive to not want the change to be made. U can make the obvious change, or not, but it still won't change reality which is not reflected now in the entry at all!, it just hurts Wikipedia's reputation, and make it look bad and unproffesional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.111.233.230 (talk) 12:27, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 30 December 2017

I am copy-pasting the request. Hello. I feel the part 'Often considered the best player in the world and widely regarded as one of the greatest of all time' should be changed to 'Often considered the best player in the world and widely regarded as the greatest of all time.' It seems to me that the person who edits this article is not a regular football follower. In my country, Portugal, a country of 11 million people, Cristiano Ronaldo is revered as the Greatest of All Time. I fail to understand how a 5-time Ballon d'Or winner, a player who has delivered for his clubs AND his nation, is supposedly regarded as 'one of' the greatest of all time, when in fact, he is widely considered the outright Greatest of All Time. For true football followers, I don't really think sources are needed to understand this. But still, a few links.

[1]

[2]

[3]

[4]

[5]

[6]

[7]

[8]

[9]

It's a matter of opinions. But on a site like Wikipedia, referring to Cristiano Ronaldo as 'widely considered as one of the greatest of all time' shows a complete lack of football understanding, and also disrespect to a player who has reached the pinnacle individually, on club level, and most importantly, on the international stage. The current statement is also a lie; Cristiano Ronaldo is, IN FACT, widely considered the greatest of all time. André53 (talk) 14:30, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ http://www.goal.com/en/news/cristiano-ronaldo-best-player-history-zinedine-zidane/foi4gh8kjmnnzd1u7pi88fe6
  2. ^ http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11835/11161728/cristiano-ronaldo-says-he-is-the-best-player-in-history-after-ballon-dor-win
  3. ^ http://www.goal.com/euro2016/en/article/no-more-arguments-if-ronaldo-wins-euro-2016-hes-had-a-better-career-than-messi/1ahg7e3z31tsu182uubuptkn8c
  4. ^ http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/42287611
  5. ^ https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/815554/Cristiano-Ronaldo-greatest-footballer-Pele-Lionel-Messi-Maradona-George-Best-Johan-Cruyff
  6. ^ https://www.eurosport.com/football/euro-2016/2016/euro-2016-final-no-limits-to-cristiano-ronaldo-s-greatness-as-he-has-his-maradona-moment_sto5683189/story.shtml
  7. ^ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3678723/Cristiano-Ronaldo-dragged-Portugal-Euro-2016-final-winning-trophy-greatest-achievement-ultimate-one-Lionel-Messi.html
  8. ^ http://www.goal.com/en-in/news/cristiano-ronaldo-above-lionel-messi-real-madrid-great/xswe3yw9levc1kdo3zdn2rney
  9. ^ http://www.goal.com/en/news/no-one-compares-to-ronaldo-marcelo-backs-up-real-madrid/8vnzwxpr3pxs15hnzhoxx0qqc
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