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:Beyond that, we would very much prefer that they keep their opinions off of Wikipedia, since, as is the case currently with the Eric Netsch article, trying to make an artificial Wikipedia article (i.e., one that is not written by an independent volunteer) usually just ends up wasting a lot of valuable volunteer time trying to clean up the mess. |
:Beyond that, we would very much prefer that they keep their opinions off of Wikipedia, since, as is the case currently with the Eric Netsch article, trying to make an artificial Wikipedia article (i.e., one that is not written by an independent volunteer) usually just ends up wasting a lot of valuable volunteer time trying to clean up the mess. |
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:At the end of the day, we have thousands of people who donate their time every day to help us build a better encyclopedia, and if the subject is notable, one of them will eventually write about it. You're welcome to join us in writing about topics you are interested in, rather than ones for which you are paid. But trying to circumvent that process for pay greatly increases the chances that the work will be deleted, and actively discourages volunteers from writing about the subject, decreasing the chances that they will get a legitimate Wikipedia article in the future. [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo#top|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]] 11:52, 25 April 2018 (UTC) |
:At the end of the day, we have thousands of people who donate their time every day to help us build a better encyclopedia, and if the subject is notable, one of them will eventually write about it. You're welcome to join us in writing about topics you are interested in, rather than ones for which you are paid. But trying to circumvent that process for pay greatly increases the chances that the work will be deleted, and actively discourages volunteers from writing about the subject, decreasing the chances that they will get a legitimate Wikipedia article in the future. [[User:GreenMeansGo|<span style="font-family:Impact"><span style="color:#07CB4B">G</span><span style="color:#449351">M</span><span style="color:#35683d">G</span></span>]][[User talk:GreenMeansGo#top|<sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk</sup>]] 11:52, 25 April 2018 (UTC) |
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Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for the info. --[[User:Nickybetsch|Nickybetsch]] ([[User talk:Nickybetsch|talk]]) 13:11, 25 April 2018 (UTC) |
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Re:Is this kind of comment actually ever a more effective use of time than just notifying them?
Saw your comment, and I wanted to reply without derailing the thread. In answer to your question, they don't pay me enough (such as it were) to do other people's notification work for them, and if you lack the courage to tell someone your dragging them before the admin inquisition then in my opinion you've got no faith or confidence in your position which speaks volumes as to whose really causing the trouble in the article(s), don't you think? Its not that hard to say "the problem's moved here, please come and discuss it" any more than it is to notify users of xfd or rfc or rfa discussions, and yet somehow no one wants to, and if editors and contributors can't be bothered to take ten seconds to leave a message then I won't be bothered to do it for them. TomStar81 (Talk) 21:49, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
- I'm sorry. It was a rhetorical question, and the answer we're looking for is "no". It is rarely if ever more productive to start an ANI thread with a distracting side bar about procedure, rather than taking 15 seconds to copy/paste a template. Failing to do so is rarely if ever a grand political statement about having the courage of your convictions. It usually means they didn't realize, forgot, or in this case, did notify them but did so without using our handy dandy template. Kindly take my word for it dear janitor, I have about ten times as many edits to ANI as you do. I've seen a thread or two in my time. GMGtalk 22:10, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
- (edit-conflict) Courage? Couldn't it simply be neglect or indifference or apathy or ignorance? I think it could, but, in this case, Flyer22 Reborn notified JMccoy13 19 minutes before you told them to do so and added "Once you've done that, then we will consider your request". Or am I wrong? ---Sluzzelin talk 22:13, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
- Agreed. In all honesty, its just not worth it when you can do it yourself (although honestly I'm a little surprised that at this point we do not have a bot to do this sort of thing). That being said, I can still dream of the day when editors will actually follow procedure, right? :) TomStar81 (Talk) 22:15, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Sluzzelin: I didn't see one on the user talk page, hence the post. If I was mistaken, then the responsibility is mine to bear, and I shall take my leave for 24 hours as a measure of reconciliation. TomStar81 (Talk) 22:18, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
- Chill out man. Not everything is a referendum on the state of the world. (I've had probably plenty enough of that today already. See above.) Just...use common sense and don't be a jerk. GMGtalk 22:24, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Sluzzelin: I didn't see one on the user talk page, hence the post. If I was mistaken, then the responsibility is mine to bear, and I shall take my leave for 24 hours as a measure of reconciliation. TomStar81 (Talk) 22:18, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
- Agreed. In all honesty, its just not worth it when you can do it yourself (although honestly I'm a little surprised that at this point we do not have a bot to do this sort of thing). That being said, I can still dream of the day when editors will actually follow procedure, right? :) TomStar81 (Talk) 22:15, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
G.H. Sheldon Wholesale Bakers page - marked for deletion.
Hi GMG
Thanks for reaching out. The page I have created is not promotional, and not intended to be so. I am working on it, as it is about a UK business containing only factual information.
Please can you provide any guidance on what you believe to be promotional?
Thank you.
Sheldonsbakery (talk) 13:47, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
- Hey Sheldonsbakery. The short answer is, basically the entire article is promotional from top to bottom. The long answer is, since you appear to have an outside connection with the subject given your choice of username, should review our policies on conflicts of interest, and while you are welcome to help us build a better encyclopedia in other ways, you should ideally not be editing in areas where you are conflicted. GMGtalk 13:53, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi.
I am following the layout and content of similar articles. My sources come from the company website and news articles. I shall continue to edit, including references from external sources in the hope that it will pass review. Sheldonsbakery (talk) 13:57, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Please comment on Talk:CSA Steaua Bucure?ti (football)
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Please admonish this editor
Since you are already involved in on Category talk:Jews, please tell Triggerhippie4 that handing out commands or saying that editors should be barred from editing (for no other evident reason than that he they disagree with him) is not acceptable. Debresser (talk) 10:09, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- I do hope you realize neither of you have done anything here other than escalate tensions, and this entire situation could have probably been avoided if one or the other had tucked their feelings away and approached things with a cool head from the get go. Going forward, hit the preview button, ctrl-f "you" and delete anything that contains it before publishing. You'll find you get much more joy, and much less frustration out of editing. GMGtalk 10:54, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- Well, thank you for being so helpful. Next time I need somebody to enforce WP:CIVIL, I'll know whom to go to. Instead of giving out good advice, you might insist on Wikipedia guidelines, for a change. Debresser (talk) 22:31, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- CIVIL is policy, not a guideline. You could even call it one of the pillars of the project. GMGtalk 23:14, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- Well, thank you for being so helpful. Next time I need somebody to enforce WP:CIVIL, I'll know whom to go to. Instead of giving out good advice, you might insist on Wikipedia guidelines, for a change. Debresser (talk) 22:31, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
How to fix NPP forever
Make an edit filter, and prevent any editor with less than 50 edits from creating a new article with the word "solutions" in it. I give it 95% that if an article includes the word "solutions" it's going to have a very G11 time. The other 5% are probably articles about solutions in mathematics and/or physics. No independent good faith editor ever wrote:
NFQ Technologies is a Lithuanian and German-owned international software development company that builds web and mobile solutions for the travel, logistics, aviation and retail industries and also develops the proprietary platform ONGR for accelerating large-scale e-commerce projects.
It's just not a thing. Because it's a vaguely positive meaningless word designed to be vaguely positive but meaningless. It is the king, no... emperor of advertorial jargon. GMGtalk 13:27, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- support ! Andy Dingley (talk) 13:37, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- Ha! Funny and true. If it would not be too big of a hit it would be fun to make a logging filter and see what it catches Jbh Talk 13:53, 19 April 2018 (UTC) Last edited: 14:40, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- NPPbrowser gives nine articles with "solutions" Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:42, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- Oooh. Science. And I wonder how many of them are already in CAT:G11. GMGtalk 14:43, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- Ah. There's a real gem. "Solution" x 4. "Solutions" x 2. Based on those two numbers alone you could just about auto-delete this via bot. GMGtalk 14:59, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- Oooh. Science. And I wonder how many of them are already in CAT:G11. GMGtalk 14:43, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- NPPbrowser gives nine articles with "solutions" Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:42, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Please look into this
The creation of a separate page was to expand on different segment of the organisation. SIM Global Education, the brand and provider of private education and SIM Group. It is normal to port over information 1st and build from there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Macustan (talk • contribs) 15:13, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- Hey Macustan. I mean, half or more of the content was just copy/pasted from the other article, and it was almost entirely unsourced except for the official website, which we generally want to avoid as a source anyway. Besides that, it was essentially a course catalog of the type I would expect to find on an official website, to the point where I was very surprised to find that it didn't actually appear to be copy/pasted from elsewhere online, at least according to google.
- If you are determined to try to get this article published, I would recommend that you review our tutorial on writing your first article, and submit a draft using the article wizard to our Articles for Creation project, where it can be reviewed by an experienced volunteer who can offer feedback prior to publishing. GMGtalk 15:21, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Blink To Speak is not a promotional product
Hello GreenMeansGo
Blink To Speak is a new eye language devised for helping patients who have an alert mind but a paralyzed body. This eye language guide has been given away to patients for free. Asha Ek Hope is a non-profit organization that helps ALS/MND patients all over India. This is an initiative supported and led by them.
Since the language was conceptualized and developed by TBWA, it is important to credit them. It is no way to promote the organization. I have edited the content of the page, to focus more on the eye language rather than the creator, TBWA\ India.
I request you to reconsider your opinion.
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arshia.jain (talk • contribs) 16:45, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- Hello Arshia.jain. Wikipedia is not a means to promote people, places or things, even if that thing is a helpful invention by a non-profit organization. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and as such contains encyclopedia articles, and not patient brochures. Such content should be hosted on the organization's website, rather than here. GMGtalk 16:50, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Hello GreenMeansGo
I understand Wikipedia is not a means to promote things. Hence, the write-up is more informatory than promotional. It is for people looking for solutions to their communication struggles. Many ALS patients create their own versions of eye signs and use it with their family or caregivers. This page is intended for them to find if their caregiver ever looks for an existing eye language. And to understand it better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arshia.jain (talk • contribs) 16:58, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, and that is a form of promotion, and should be done on the organization's website, and not on Wikipedia. GMGtalk 17:00, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- As the admin who deleted three separate pages about Blink To Speak (two different users' sandboxes plus a template), I confirm that it was clearly a product-promotion piece and was written in blatant marketing speak, neither of which are acceptable on Wikipedia. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:26, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
- Speaking of our good friend Boing. Boy is that a generous deletion rationale right there. But admittedly quick on the trigger. I'm just glad I didn't accidentally recreate the article adding the G10. GMGtalk 13:05, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
- I must be in a good mood today, as I've also given the author a final vandalism warning rather than just blocking ;-) Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:07, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
- Speaking of our good friend Boing. Boy is that a generous deletion rationale right there. But admittedly quick on the trigger. I'm just glad I didn't accidentally recreate the article adding the G10. GMGtalk 13:05, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
I have unreviewed a page you curated
Hi, I'm SamHolt6. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Sam Wakoba, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.
SamHolt6 (talk) 19:20, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- Nothing of note to this message, I just unreviewed the article, added a COI tag, and reviewed it again.--SamHolt6 (talk) 19:21, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
- It would be super useful if they would give us a box to uncheck if we don't want to get an automatic notification. There's a similar option on commons for when you're nominating like a dozen images in a row for speedy deletion. Or you know...let us add a tag to an article that's already tagged as long as it's not a duplicate...and you know...prevent us from adding duplicate tags, because for some reason we can do one half the time but not the other. GMGtalk 19:30, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Please comment on Talk:Poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal
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Please comment on Talk:Existentialism Is a Humanism
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Please comment on Talk:Antisemitism in the Labour Party
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DYK for Sarah Frey
On 24 April 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Sarah Frey, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Sarah Frey (pictured) is the United States' most prolific pumpkin grower? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sarah Frey. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Sarah Frey), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- lol. Damnit Ritchie. You realize the reason I stay away from these things is because I like writing and not reviewing right? You're driving me into QPQ. I've probably got five articles I could nominate for GA right now off the top of my head. I just don't want to review five GAs. GMGtalk 00:44, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Some baklava for you!
Thank you for helping with my URL/website issue! :) SunnyBoi (talk) 15:27, 24 April 2018 (UTC) |
- Hey no problem at all SunnyBoi, and thanks to PrimeHunter for fixing my fix. GMGtalk 15:28, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Original Barnstar |
Thank's for your help on IRC, in articles, and basically everywhere. You're a great contributor with many substantial articles that you've created, and a lot of experience. Vermont (talk) 21:52, 24 April 2018 (UTC) |
- Hey thanks man. Still waiting for that GA notification on your talk page. :) GMGtalk 21:53, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
re: Urgent.ly Wikipedia page
Hi --- no need to be rude, we're just trying to update the page about our company. It is possible to be constructive instead of simply deleting everything.
I'm 100% on board for making the entry factual and objective, but the current Wikipedia entry is not even accurate. We are not (and have not been for years) a mobile app company. We have more locations, employees, etc than are listed here. So in the interest of access to accurate and objective information, we will continue to update our page. If you have specific pieces you think would be better phrased differently or removed altogether, we welcome your constructive and specific feedback.
22:52, 24 April 2018 (UTC)Urgent.ly
- @RebeccaDay93: You need to first read our guidance on conflicts on interest, and be careful to abide by them. You need second to recognize that this is a project built by volunteers, and your edits on behalf of your employer are generally not welcome. There are many sites on the web for them to promote themselves. This is not one of them. If a egregious error of fact is overlooked, you may request that it be changed by a volunteer on the talk page. But you are not welcome to edit on behalf of your employer, because doing so undermines and exploits the volunteer project that volunteers have built together. GMGtalk 23:40, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
- @GreenMeansGo: where can we request to have things changed by volunteers? This page is an incorrect representation of our company and is distributing incomplete, outdated, and/or incorrect information to the public. Seems like something the community should be interested in rectifying.
- Hey RebeccaDay93. You may make a request on the article talk page, by including
{{request edit}}
, along with what you would specifically like changed, and what independent published sources support those changes. Note that if the proposed changes can only be supported by unreliable sources, like official websites and press releases, your suggestions are unlikely to be accepted. GMGtalk 12:24, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
- Hey RebeccaDay93. You may make a request on the article talk page, by including
Please comment on Talk:Holocaust denial
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- I really need to look into adjusting my notification settings. Seems like it's 90% Nazis and Donald Trump all the way down, neither of which I have a particular interest in. GMGtalk 12:33, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Wanted to reach out
Hey there,
I see many edits have been done on the Eric Netsch page. I am curious if they follow all the rules now or if further edits need to be made. If I make one for the company Tapcart (www.tapcart.co) is that also going to be suggested for deletion? The owners feel they are notable enough to be placed on wiki. Smaller companies than them have made it. All advice is much appreciated.
Thanks! --Nickybetsch (talk) 11:23, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
- Hey Nickybetsch. Unfortunately for them, the opinion of the owners doesn't factor into whether they qualify for an article. This requires that subjects meet our standards for notability, which generally requires sustained in-depth coverage in independent and reliable published sources, usually things like newspapers, magazines and books, and excluding things like press releases, official websites, or any type of sponsored content such as native advertising or other advertorial pieces in otherwise reliable publications.
- Beyond that, we would very much prefer that they keep their opinions off of Wikipedia, since, as is the case currently with the Eric Netsch article, trying to make an artificial Wikipedia article (i.e., one that is not written by an independent volunteer) usually just ends up wasting a lot of valuable volunteer time trying to clean up the mess.
- At the end of the day, we have thousands of people who donate their time every day to help us build a better encyclopedia, and if the subject is notable, one of them will eventually write about it. You're welcome to join us in writing about topics you are interested in, rather than ones for which you are paid. But trying to circumvent that process for pay greatly increases the chances that the work will be deleted, and actively discourages volunteers from writing about the subject, decreasing the chances that they will get a legitimate Wikipedia article in the future. GMGtalk 11:52, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for the info. --Nickybetsch (talk) 13:11, 25 April 2018 (UTC)