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Women in Red World Contest

Hi. We're into the last five days of the Women in Red World Contest. There's a new bonus prize of $200 worth of books of your choice to win for creating the most new women biographies between 0:00 on the 26th and 23:59 on 30th November. If you've been contributing to the contest, thank you for your support, we've produced over 2000 articles. If you haven't contributed yet, we would appreciate you taking the time to add entries to our articles achievements list by the end of the month. Thank you, and if participating, good luck with the finale!

Dating for bot: old message. Vanamonde (talk) 17:14, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Tawana Brawley rape allegations

I addressed your second batch of concerns regarding the Tawana Brawley rape allegations article.--MagicatthemovieS

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Elon Musk's submarine

Could you please explain how the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elon Musk's submarine amounts to a merge? I explicitly asked what content should be merged back, pointing some problems with the WP:DUE policy in doing that, and no one in the discussion replied to my question nor addressed those points. Given that this is your assesment, I think you should provide some instructions on how the merger should be made. Diego (talk) 08:37, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

@Diego Moya: To put it very simply, your argument was not wrong, but it did not gain consensus. Disagreements such as these are largely matters of judgement; there isn't a clear-cut wrong and right. You argued, quite reasonably, that a) the topic was notable and b) that there was too much material than could be fit into the main page. Most people did not agree with (b), and argued that there wasn't too much content to merge. The claims to notability were also questioned, but not by very many. All of these arguments have a basis in policy. Other arguments, however, are not: "multiple reasons of interest" (keep #4) is a bit of an IAR rationale that I can't give much weight to: similarly, arguing to keep because there it isn't clear that there will be sustained coverage is also a week argument. Furthermore, demonstrating notability is an argument against deletion, but not against a merger; numerous notable topics are better covered in broader articles. Numerically, there 2 (nom + 1) arguing for deletion, 4 for keeping, and 6 for a merger, of which two keep !votes were weak. In toto, no outcome except for "merge" is possible here. Precisely what needs to be merged was not something discussed in the AfD, and as such the AfD provides no guidance. Just use common sense, and open an RFC for contentious material. Vanamonde (talk) 09:35, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I'll follow WP:MERGETEXT and see how it goes with the target article. Diego (talk) 09:39, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

I'd still want you to explain how you assessed WP:DUE, since it was addressed in the discussion and it can become a problem now that the merger is done. Were you aware of the discussions at Talk:Elon Musk and Talk:Tham Luang cave rescue that I mentioned? Diego (talk) 10:02, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

@Diego Moya: That's not quite how AfD works. The closing admin (me, in this case) has to judge consensus on the basis of the arguments presented: we can't read every background discussion, nor can we make a decision based on what we would have !voted. A large number of people supported the merger; enough to constitute a supermajority, actually, though the precise number only played a small role in my decision. Sometimes consensus doesn't go your way: and if you're absolutely certain I made the wrong call, please take this to DRV, because I'm not about to reverse my closure. Vanamonde (talk) 10:41, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, but one of the arguments in the discussion was that we already had a previous consensus that the content would be undue weight for the target article. Now you're saying that your decision has been made with a local consensus that it wouldn't be undue. So I feel that you've disregarded one of the main arguments in the discussion with respect to the WP:DUE policy. Diego (talk) 10:59, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

@Diego Moya: Maybe there was local consensus: as I said before, I'm not going to read a bunch of background. But even if there was, consensus can change; and if a bunch of people at the previous discussion felt strongly about this then they should have opined at the AfD. I'm sorry, but I don't think anything I say is really going to persuade you: nor is anything you say likely to persuade me to revert a closure supported by policy based arguments and a 2:1 supermajority. So please either let this go, or take it to DRV. Vanamonde (talk) 11:05, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

DYK? Biblical criticism

HI! Saw the note on DYK? Biblical criticism about five hours after you posted it, but I don't see what happened after that! Did it get pulled? I swear, this DYK has been more trouble than anything!! I think it's jinxed! (Humor) :-) Anyway just wanted to be sure you knew I had answered.Jenhawk777 02:28, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

@Jenhawk777: No it's still got nearly two days before it appears on the main page; if it's fixed before then, great, otherwise I'll pull it and substitute another. Vanamonde (talk) 03:10, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Fixed? The hook is found in the last paragraph of the "Twentieth Century" section under history. Is that what you mean? Jenhawk777 04:19, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't mean to nag, but I'd like to know--does the hook need fixing somehow? What does it need? The whole quote is in the article now. I understood that to be the issue. If not, I need to know what needs doing in order to do it. Thank you! Jenhawk777 15:34, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

@Jenhawk777: Not quite, I'm afraid. Take a look at the DYK nomination page. I'm sorry this is taking so long, but we need to be thorough with the things we put on the main page. Vanamonde (talk) 16:04, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

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Ursula K Le Guin Bibliography

2 August 2018 "Poems have only been included here if they've been covered in WP:RS; also, I find it doubtful in the extreme that an unknown but published woodcut created by Le Guin exists. I'm minded to remove the other entries too, unless they can be referenced, but I'm leaving them in for the moment" 3 August 2018 "adding refs: also found ref for woodcut removed in previous edit, but as a standalone artwork unlike anything else in the list, I'm disinclined to add it."

I have now scanned the relevant issue of Encore into a pdf, and it is currently uploading to my Google Drive; it's got 5+ hours to go; I've got a slow connection. Once that is done, I'll provide you a link to it.

Bear in mind, that to the best of my knowledge it's still in copyright. So, once you've got the link, please edit it out of the post. If we're ever able to determine that the items are out of copyright, uploading to the Internet Archive would be appropriate, but until then, I'm providing it to you so that someone else who cares about this has a copy so that they have a better chance of verifying other mentions of these items, since I don't have ready access to the print resources.

This is one of those cases where there may not be anything to use as a source that Wikipedia will accept as verification, since the statements of individuals is not considered adequate; on the whole, I agree with that policy, but at times like this, it gets frustrating. Of course, I could always make a post to my blog concerning everything I know about this issue and the items contained in it... which might then be able to be used as a source? Dunno. (Added: Ah, hadn't spotted the 3 August note that you had found a reference for the woodcut; good to know!)

There are three libraries with copies of this issue that I have been able to verify. Two in Portland, one in Eugene. I added the OCLC/WorldCat Record Number, and the information regarding those libraries to the pdf as part of an intro sheet.

When I contacted the University of Oregon Special Collections to verify if they had this issue, they were not aware that it had four items by Le Guin, one by Vonda N. McIntyre, and one by Laurence Yep, none of which show up in any source that I have access to. In that they have a specialized collection on women authors in science fiction, with an emphasis on Le Guin, they were glad to find out about it.

From the publication data in the issue, they had an annual circulation of 350,000. It was distributed to those attending performances of the Portland Opera, the Portland Symphony, and the Portland Junior Symphony Orchestra, with an insert in the center specific to the actual performance. So while I'm surprised that this publication isn't listed on Ursula's official website, nor on Vonda's, I'm not surprised at it's not showing up anywhere else.

The only reason I knew about it is that I attended at least one performance where this was distributed; I haven't checked my second copy to see if it is from the same performance or not, and thus if it was a second copy from my father, or my own copy from a different performance. Anyway, I personally possess two near-mint copies of this issue at this time. Um, do you know of any archives or scholar/researcher that might want one of those copies? That's what got me started on this, trying to find homes for them; I don't want them recycled by my heirs, if that can be avoided.

JohnBobMead (talk) 04:36, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

@JohnBobMead: Thanks for taking the trouble, but I think it's possible that you didn't read the latest version of the article. There were two issues with the content you added; a) there wasn't a source, and b) poems were generally not included. I have now addressed the first problem, and the stories that you added are now listed in the bibliography with sources. The poem is a more difficult issue, because she has written a very large number of standalone poems, which are not included unless there's significant commentary related to those poems. So, unless you can find commentary from independent sources related to these poems and the woodcut, I don't think it's appropriate to add them, even if we can verify their existence. If you disagree, perhaps you could open a discussion on the talk page of the article, and we can take it from there. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 05:33, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: I did see that the poem and woodblock had been removed, which is what led to looking at the history page and seeing your reasons for removing those items; your explanation here makes sense. It's the whole notability issue; it's not an attempt to list everything she produced, but rather those items that became notable, with notable having to be defined as published commentary exceeding some threshold, and what that threshold is in a particular case is what leads to the "fun" discussions.

I may have made as many as 20 edits in however many years I've been registered here; it's not a major focus for me, to put it mildly. So there's stuff I'm not clear on, because I haven't taken the time to investigate and I haven't accumulated the experience necessary to make the correct judgements.

Anyway, in case you'd like to see the issue of Encore, the link is Encore: Magazine of the Arts April-May 1977; as well as the four items by Ursula, there's an essay concerning her written by Vonda N. McIntyre, which may or may not be the same as one she published a bit later with a similer name which does show up in her various bibliographies, and a story by Laurence Yep. My cursory search of the Internet has failed to find mention of these, so notability is definitely a concern in regard to adding them to this wiki. I had to edit the pdf; it was initially at 600dpi, which made it huge, which is why it was taking forever to upload, and as long as I was adjusting the dpi I rescanned a couple of pages that had come out poorly. The version I uploaded is 96dpi, but still very clear.

Please edit out anything I've posted here that doesn't need to remain on your talk page for future reference. I recognize that I'm overly verbose; sad to say, the Internet is basically all the contact I have with others at this time.

JohnBobMead (talk) 16:01, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

@JohnBobMead: No problem. I would enjoy reading that issue at some point, so thank you for giving me a link. There's certainly plenty of other important things in life besides Wikipedia, so not understanding things when you start out is not a problem It's when misunderstandings persist in the face of good friendly advice that it can become a problem.... Anyhow, thanks for being civil and understanding about it, and best wishes. Vanamonde (talk) 16:09, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Quick move request

Hey Vanamonde, I saw you were around and was wondering if you could move User:EnterpriseyBot/reply-link.js to User:Enterprisey/reply-link.js over a redirect. Thanks! Enterprisey (talk!) 06:09, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

@Enterprisey: Done: let me know if you want the talk page moved too. Vanamonde (talk) 06:16, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

I think the talk page is fine. Thank you! Enterprisey (talk!) 06:27, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome. Vanamonde (talk) 06:32, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Just a note

To avoid clogging that AE thread, I thought this reply to part of your observations more appropriate here.

Yes, I said English is my native language, and implied Debresser didn't construe it correctly. You are quite correct that many foreign speakers know a language better than native speakers. The point was made by George Steiner, After Babel, OUP 1975 p.470 who, after remarking:'the technical proficiency (of Japanese scholars) in English humbles one' added that, sadly, so much that is being said is correct, so little is right, which is precisely the case here on that sentence stating (in a way that I think would embarrass a lot of people in whose name it is written) 'Jews form part of a 'greater distinctive ethnic group' (than Arabs).'

In replying:

'You misunderstood the intention of the phrase. The intention is, obviously, that "Jews" is the greater distinctive ethnicity of "Arab Jews" (and of "American Jews", etc.')

Debresser took the sentence one way, assuming it is a misunderstanding to take it any other way. Language is a wonderful, yet insidiously clever, thing: it says or implies, as often as not, far more than what any one speaker might think it is saying. Native fluency in a language, even by if acquired as a second language, means having the ability to see all the shades and nuances of statements (which indeed often escape native speakers) .As a philologist, I took it as ineludibly suggesting also a racist meaning. My own work on racism and nationalism has a google scholar hit of close to 1,000. In peer-review, that suggests I know the topic well, which doesn’t exclude, of course, my human liability to err, but not, I think, here. That sense is as present, if not more liable to be read as present as the other, to any native speaker who troubles herself to woo her mother tongue's mischievous enchantments with a passion. Regards Nishidani (talk) 11:05, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

@Nishidani: You're reading in this case is likely correct (I haven't the time to dig into it); all I mean is that the same point can be made without reference to Debresser's origins: "you have misunderstood this" does the job, does it not? Also, consider this; if you were unable to persuade Debresser based on previous argumentation, do you think it likely that he would be persuaded because you pointed out that he was not an English speaker? I think not. The best course in such a situation is likely to be to invite outside opinion. In any case, to be absolutely clear, I'm not questioning your understanding of English, merely the necessity of pointing it out. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 11:16, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you

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		This is for your valuable efforts for reverting and protecting enwiki from Vandalism PATH SLOPU (Talk) 07:46, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Path slopu, I appreciate it. Vanamonde (talk) 08:15, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

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Keeping it cool

		A glass of Lassi for you
		Here is a glass of Lassi for you. Lassi is a non-alcoholic drink, made from milk and popular in countries like India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. for taking my sarcasm in light spirit at AN. cheers. Thank you. DBigXrayᗙ 23:10, 27 August 2018 (UTC) For more Indian dishes, visit the Kitchen of WikiProject India.

@DBigXray: Thanks. I'm glad you meant that comment as a joke, and I hope there's no hard feelings. Just keep in mind that a site-ban discussion (or indeed, most AN discussions) tends to be quite tense, and a joke could easily be misconstrued. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 07:37, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

VNM, You are mistaken above in what I meant above. I never said that my sarcasm was meant as a joke or should be discredited as a joke. Rest of your above reply is based on this flawed misunderstanding of my comment. I hope you are well aware that sarcasm is not the same as a joke. Sarcasm is "a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter gibe or taunt". Sarcasm may employ ambivalence, although sarcasm is not necessarily ironic.. Cheers.. --DBigXrayᗙ 11:28, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

@DBigXray: I am well aware of the definition of sarcasm, thank you. I believed you to have been joking after your first message here because no reasonable person would make a "a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter gibe or taunt" and then expect it to be taken "in light spirit". You're demonstrating perfectly the problem with being sarcastic in such a discussion. You made a comment that was entirely out of left field: so I simply told you not to be silly. If you were making a serious analogy between suggesting that other individuals were also guilty in the disputes Nadir Ali was involved in, and conspiracy theories related to the Illuminati, then your comment is more troubling, because it suggests you've lost perspective in that discussion. Vanamonde (talk) 11:39, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Well, your belief is wrong. My sarcasm was made to taunt the comment that in my opinion was derailing the discussion on a very serious topic of violations from a particular individual. his violations were presented clearly. Asking to read the bigger picture (That you asked BMK there), or trying to involve others, indulging in Whataboutery, False equivalence and muddying the waters are all diversionary tactic employed to allow an escape. I hope I have sufficiently clarified my comment now. And there should be no misunderstanding on the genuine intention behind my sarcasm. Calling it a joke amounts to belittle it and I appreciate that you dont. Over and out. Thank you. --DBigXrayᗙ 11:50, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

@DBigXray: And that's the problem. If you wish to disagree with someone's comments because you feel they represent "[Whataboutery]], False equivalence and muddying the waters", then you should say that, instead of making nonsensical allusions to the Illuminati. Given the seriousness of what you were attempting to say, both your comment there and your subsequent message here are strange, to say the least. Writing what you mean in a straightforward manner will avoid future misunderstandings. Vanamonde (talk) 13:22, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

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Article deletion: Holor

Hello Vanamonde93. Regarding the deletion of the article on holors, you mentioned that "[you] would be happy to refund the content to the userspace of anyone who wishes to perform a merger". I'm interested in doing that, because I think that this topic is very conceptually important (even if it is not very popular). Perhaps some mention of holors and holor theory should be made in the page on tensors. Or, if there is no satisfactory place for the content on Wikipedia, I could find a home for it elsewhere.

Zeroparallax (talk) 19:54, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

@Zeroparallax: Sure, here you go: User:Zeroparallax/Holor. Just please remember that there was fairly solid consensus at the AfD that this is not independently notable. Developing this towards a merger is fine, but if you're looking to create a standalone article you need to improve the sourcing to the point where it unequivocally demonstrates notability. Vanamonde (talk) 20:36, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

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The WikiCup

Are you happy with the draft newsletter in my sandbox2? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:10, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

@Cwmhiraeth: Yes, thanks! If I'd make a tweak at all, I'd just substitute "editor" for "man (or woman)": I understand that you're making a reference there, but it may be misconstrued. Apologies for not evaluating more submissions (though I did check several that had already been approved); RL intervened, and it seemed as though whenever I'm on-wiki I've been caught up in silly drama here and there. Vanamonde (talk) 14:59, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

WikiCup 2018 September newsletter

The fourth round of the 2018 WikiCup has now come to an end. The eight users who made it to the final round had to score a minimum of 422 points to qualify, with the top score in the round being 4869 points. The leaders in round 4 were:

• Courcelles scored a magnificent 4869 points, with 92 good articles on Olympics-related themes. Courcelles' bonus points alone exceeded the total score of any of the other contestants!
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During round four, 6 featured articles and 164 good articles were promoted by WikiCup contestants, 13 articles were included in good topics and 143 good article reviews were performed. There were also 10 "in the news" contributions on the main page and 53 "did you knows". Congratulations to all who participated! It was a generally high-scoring and productive round and I think we can expect a highly competitive finish to the competition.

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DYK for Luis Posada Carriles

On 2 September 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Luis Posada Carriles, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that former CIA agent Luis Posada Carriles twice escaped from prison in Venezuela, where he faced trial for the bombing of Cubana Flight 455? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Luis Posada Carriles. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Luis Posada Carriles), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary

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Rapidfire band 1983

Hello, I'm inquiring about the reason for the Rapidfire band page deletion. It was explained to me that it was deleted because of page seemed only notable because of Axl Rose's participation. The band and its members, particularly the songwriter, guitarist and owner of the music has been featured in many news sites, and not just exclusive to music news: https://www.maxim.com/entertainment/what-its-play-and-be-sued-axl-rose, http://metalsludge.tv/rapid-fire-guitarist-kevin-lawrence/, http://loudwire.com/kevin-lawrence-rapidfire-dies-at-51/, http://ultimateclassicrock.com/kevin-lawrence-dies/, and many more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnmny (talk • contribs) 16:18, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

@Johnmy: I deleted the article because of a consensus reached at the discussion here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rapidfire. If you can clearly demonstrate that the band is in fact notable, I'd suggest creating a draft of the article, and then using the Articles for Creation process to move it to the mainspace. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 17:11, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

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Have You Protected The Episode Guide For Loud House Indefinitely?

Hello there Vanamonde93.

Do you know anything about The Loud House a Nicktoon created by Chris Savino that has been airing since May 2, 2016? If so you might be a fan of that show or not.

The main premise of the aforementioned show is about an 11 year old boy named Lincoln who has 10 sisters making him the only male of the huge family.

Almost every episode had him breaking the fourth wall by talking to the viewer directly at the screen. But the pilot was just a test to have it green lit for a new series.

Fast forward to December 2 of the preceding year. You may be the one who protected the episode guide for the show indefinitely. Long term wouldn't get expired sometime soon.

Anyways have a response about this.

Good night,

67.81.163.178 (talk) 01:51, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

National Front FAC

Hi Vanamonde; hope that you are well. As you showed an interest in the Referendum Party article when I was pushing it through the FAC process this time last year, I wondered if you might be interested in taking a look at another article on a UK political party that I have at FAC: National Front (UK). So far, the FAC (here) has not attracted much attention, and if you did have the time and/or inclination your comments would be appreciated. There is, of course, no pressure on you to do so if you're too busy or just not interested. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:23, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Midnightblueowl, nice to see you around. I'd be happy to take a look, but it might take me a couple of days. Best, Vanamonde (talk)

That would be appreciated, Vanamonde. Of course, if there is any way in which I can return the favour, do let me know. Midnightblueowl (talk) 15:36, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

On "Biko"

Finally, I feel vindicated. It's well-known history that "Biko" always started with "Ngomhla sibuyayo" and ended with "Senzeni na" - in the album version, at least. Now, and this isn't gloating, it can be seen that Drewett researched it wrong. Though that means that my edits are now under yours, it at least vindicates and validates what I've been saying all along; history, aural and by Bowman's correct research, proved my original edits right.

FRANCO FERRER-SAN MIGUEL/HamadaFanFFSM(talk)

@HamadaFanFFSM: Yes, you were indeed correct, and I thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I hope you see now, though, what I was saying then: I was not necessarily convinced that you were wrong, but we do need sources for the change, and can't just write what we know to be correct. Vanamonde (talk) 03:18, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Deletion of article "Jonny Ferrari"

Hello, I see that an article I created has been deleted for the reason of not passing the general notability guidelines. I would like to request access to a version of this article that I can continue to edit, as I have new references to add. If possible, a review of the sources I have cited and their applicability to the notability guidelines will serve well to improve this article. These following references I would like to add now: https://calvinayre.com/2017/07/05/business/jonny-ferrari-cambodia-gaming-corrupt/ & https://calvinayre.com/2017/07/05/business/ca-rundown-july-5-video/ .If you look in the history of the deleted article, there are edits where some references I added were removed by other users. I am unsure why these references were deleted, and I would like to request clarification. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Superstar P1 (talk • contribs)

@Superstar P1: The article was deleted as a result of the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonny Ferrari. I cannot speak to why references were removed from the article; you will have to ask those who removed them. I have restored the page and moved it to User:Superstar_P1/Jonny_Ferrari, where you may work on it. However, since the consensus against its notability was strong, you need to improve it substantially before considering moving it back to mainspace, and I would recommend using the articles for creation process when you are done with your edits. Vanamonde (talk) 04:45, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: Thanks for that link to the restored page I can edit. I have links for DVDs sold by the wrestling promotions featuring Jonny Ferrari, but I am not sure how to properly cite a wrestling promotion's DVD release. Also, Jonny Ferrari appears on wrestling video on demand service but I am not sure how to cite that either.Can you inform me of how to cite such sources? I will also contact other users who participated in the discussion to determine why the references I have added so far do not suffice.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Superstar P1 (talk • contribs)

@Superstar P1: A few points: it's possibly that there's a specific format for citing DVDs, but I'm not going to go looking for it, because basically you should be citing those sources. Please read WP:RS. The problem with the sources you mention is that they are seeking to promote their sport and the players of it, making them unreliable sources. To demonstrate notability, you need to find sources that are reliable and independent of their subject. I have no knowledge of wrestling, but perhaps Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling can help you with identifying such sources. Also, please sign your talk page posts by typing ~~~~ at the end. Best, Vanamonde (talk) 14:54, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Article deletion: Swiggy

Current Swiggy wiki page is redirected to personal user account address which is incorrect redirect and need to be reverted back.

The reasons provided for page deletion are also outdated(dated 2016). Swiggy is already one of the unicorn startups of India and quite popular and thus they deserve a wiki page. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naman gt (talk • contribs) 17:46, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Namah gt. The page was deleted in 2016 as the result of a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Swiggy. I cannot unilaterally overturn that decision. I moved the page to User:Aurorion/Swiggy not to remove it (it was already deleted) but to provide that user with a copy in their userspace, which they could work on at their leisure. If you feel that the page should exist, the best way to go about it might be to work with that user to make the draft acceptable for the mainspace, or to recreate the page yourself. Please remember that any new article needs to comply with our policies on notability, verifiability, and not being a means of promotion. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 20:27, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Jeremy Corbyn

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Jeremy Corbyn. Legobot (talk) 04:27, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Jewish Virtual Library

Hello you have protected this article. My question : is it possible to quote the JVL making its "self-promotion", saying that "The Jewish Virtual Library relies on history books, scientific studies, various encyclopedias, archives, polls, maps, and material from museums" notes 5 and 6 ? It is a primary source and it is biased.

Is it possible to quote one single text from CNN or any other journal, and say the JVL is regularly cited by CNN, NYT etc ? I think it is an original research based on primary sources. יניב הורון didn't answer me ; he has been topic-banned today from the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Thank you for your answer.--2A01:CB00:980:7A00:A409:5D21:A34A:6D12 (talk) 13:56, 20 September 2018 (UTC)