Talk:Zionism

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addition of a subsection "neo nationalist" (request for comment on terminology) for the non-jewish support section

It would reason that section could be added under the non-jewish support section for nationalist support of zionism. for example, https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israeli-nation-state-law-backed-by-white-nationalist-richard-spencer-1.6295314 this article claims that the famous neo-nationalist (or neo-nazi if you want to be contentious) richard spencer's support for zionism. many neo nationalists believe that the state of israel should be a blueprint for european ethnostates, and a common argument I've heard made is that if it is 'politically correct to be pro zionism but politically incorrect to be for ethnonationalism, isn't that a contradiction in terms?' or something thereabouts. I think it is a sufficiently popular sentiment for neo-nationalists and deserves to have its own section under the support for zionism section, and seeing that the anti zionism section has a section for anti-semitism, which is often linked to neo-nationalism, I think this justifies the addition of such a section.

note, I'm quite new to wikipedia so I'm not sure how the process for editing a locked article like this is, so if I'm missing anything let me know please.Jamesthefrank (talk) 04:19, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Where does this article say that Richard B Spencer supports Zionism ? In a different article he says "You could say that I am a white Zionist – in the sense that I care about my people, I want us to have a secure homeland for us and ourselves. Just like you want a secure homeland in Israel." He only uses Zionism as an analogy and does not say that he supports it. “WarKosign” 15:04, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 January 2019

"A religious variety of Zionism supports Jews upholding their Jewish identity defined as adherence to religious Judaism, opposes the assimilation of Jews into other societies, and has advocated the return of Jews to Israel as a means for Jews to be a majority nation in their own state."

2601:2C2:900:2FB:4DFC:4EEC:8657:7A2 (talk) 10:07, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. Please specify what exactly you propose to change in this article, with relevant reliable sources. “WarKosign” 11:36, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Ethnic nationalism

@Nableezy: The link to ethnic nationalism is very misleading. If Zionism is ethnic, why did Israel spend millions of shekels and Mossad agents risk their lives in Operation Solomon and Operation Moses? Your "source" (more of an opinion piece) is also very unreliable. I also think it's a bit of a dick move to sneak it into the article's first sentence by using the word national but linking to ethnic nationalism, so that fewer editors will notice the error and be able to correct it (this is more of a general statement than a personal accusation, as you're not the one who originally added it). M . M 22:47, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

A book published by Oxford University Press is "more of an opinion piece" and "very unreliable"? You want to base that on something? Because WP:RS seems to say something about books published by university presses. I think it calls it "scholarship". And reliable. I dont think I need to answer WP:OR with anything other than saying if reliable sources say that the nationalism expressed by Zionism is ethnic based then so to should Wikipedia. As far as the "dick move", I have no problem removing the piping and making it read ethno-nationalist. nableezy - 23:00, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Please do. Would you care to make a wager? I bet 50 trillion kg of uranium-235 that someone will remove it within 24 h. (But if you add it now, it will technically constitute a violation of the WP:1RR, so you'll have to do it on your own risk.) M . M 23:09, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

This article is apparently very unpatrolled by most editors. I'm glad you didn't accept the wager, or I'd be out of almost all my fissible uranium stockpile. Anyway, I've added footnote with a more neuanced approach now, citing both your soruce and this [1] Oxford source. M . M 08:39, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

Insult

Why does Antisemites, Neo-Nazis annd Muslims ironically use Zionist as an insult and justification of hatered against Jews and Non-Jewish people for supporting Israel? 03/16/19. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.146.226.227 (talk) 04:21, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

This is a WP:FORUM question. Here we focus the discussion on changes to the article. See Zionist entity, where the use of the term Zionism as an insult is described. “WarKosign” 18:47, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

I don’t think this is meant as a forum question.

It is true that the term “Zionist” has been perceived to be used in a negative or perjorative sense. “Zionist entity” is just one example.

Our “Anti-Zionism” section in this article is mostly describing left-wing or Palestinian opposition to Zionism. But OP’s point is broader.

I think this article would benefit from a sourced discussion of this topic.

Onceinawhile (talk) 22:30, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

I require editing rights to copy references for the concurrent Zionism page in Wikipedia urdu

hey all, wikipedia urdu is in its initial stages, where it translates most of its material from other wikipedias esp English, the references for the material translated are inserted as they are mentioned in English version, but when we come across protected pages its extremely difficult to do all that editing with the only urdu editor for Pakistan and India on the subject, it is therefore extremely difficult to write all that by myself , hence a little help in permitting to edit the page would allow me to copy all the references for corresponding urdu version of the same. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saifty (talk • contribs) 09:58, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

You can view the source even if you cannot edit. That gives you the same wikicode that editing the page would. nableezy - 04:10, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

i am a newbie here , can you guide me pls ?