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Article does not answer the one question I had when I clicked on his name: Is he related to POTUS? [unsigned]

I'm not sure I understand the question. Who is that? Also, please sign your talk messages with ~~~~. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:14, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

POTUS is "President of the United States" Canadianpoliticaljunkie (talk)

Canadianpoliticaljunkie - Please don't use acronyms in this way. The reason this isn't mentioned in the article, is because it's completely irrelevant. Why would an English professional snooker player be related to someone who shared as last name? If he was related, then it would be mentioned, but as it isn't, you can be sure that he isn't. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:36, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why can't he use the acronym? It's properly used. 192.55.54.41 (talk) 14:12, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you that it's irrelevant in theory, but in the current political climate, perhaps a disclaimer that he is NOT related to "The Donald" is in order. It may prevent malicious vandalism of the page. And who knows? May he is a 12th-cousin or something. (Although the POTUS is German-Swedish in origin.) CFLeon (talk) 17:31, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"The political landscape" has no bearing on Wikipedia. If anything, it would add to vandalism of the page. If there is a source that says he is related to Donald Trump, then it could potentially be added, but we don't just say "don't worry, he's not related to this guy" on every article to someone with a similar name. It's so ridiculous. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:05, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It`s neither ridiculous or irrelevant to me...the fact that they live in different countries and are different ages is what`s irrelevant.107.217.84.95 (talk) 22:05, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We don't even do this for snooker players who share a surname such as with Steve Davis and Joe Davis, or Allison Fisher and Kelly Fisher. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia so we states facts, not what isn't a fact. As Lee says above, if Judd Trump was Donald's love child or something it would be right up there in the lead. Betty Logan (talk) 22:29, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Lee this is a ridiculous conversation. You might like to read Wikipedia:Relevance. Might it be more relevant to put a sentence up in Donald Trump's lead to say he's no relation to the snooker world champion Judd Trump? I know which one of the two men I have most respect for. Enough already. Rodney Baggins (talk) 22:55, 7 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nevertheless people want to know..I want to know...it is either a fact or it isn`t..all the arguments for adding are being suppressed for no reason..if it`s not important to you when obviously is to lots of people what harm can it do ? Everyone is related..Trump is not a common name do the math..there is often a lot a disagreement regarding almost everyone born before 1900 as to who is and is not related and it is included in the article. Everything else aside...why do you care ? There is a controversy going on atm about him getting hassled checking into hotels because of his last name...and..this is the point..no one can come up with any evidence that they are not related and as far as I know neither have denied it..apparently a lot of people think they are myself leaning that way. I do not edit Wikipedia articles..I`m not a lawyer nor do I want to be one I have a conscious..the only thing that brought me here besides what I`m guessing is what brought the majority of people reading this here their last names..are some very opinionated or at best uninformed people arguing that one is older and lives in the US and the other younger British and shoots pool...that is what is ridiculous...not that if they are related Judd might not want people to know.107.217.84.95 (talk) 01:27, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If there is a noteworthy controversy that has received significant media coverage of Trump being discriminated against because of a perceived relationship to the US president then that may well be worthy of inclusion on those terms, but you are going to have to provide sources to that effect. Betty Logan (talk) 02:03, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

this conversation is gold. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 05:35, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think you may be confused, IP user. Judd Trump doesn't shoot pool. You say there's no harm, but can't prove either way - why would we include it? Why should it matter either way? FWIW, he isn't, or it would have been mentioned in sources. I think you may be confused as to how Wikipedia works. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 05:35, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

i for one agree with the OP. If the Snooker player and the POTUS were both named "Smith", the question might be silly; but since it is a fairly rare name, and if there were any information any way, it would be pertinent. Terry Thorgaard (talk) 15:19, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:VERIFY clearly states that "any material whose verifiability is challenged or likely to be challenged [must be attributed] to a reliable, published source using an inline citation." The bottom line (excuse unintentional pun) is that without a source one way or the other, the information cannot be verified, so must not be included. To say "Judd Trump is no relation to Pres. D. Trump" would be wrong, because we have no source to confirm that as fact, and it might actually be untrue. Contentious subject, yes. Likely to be challenged, yes. Therefore a citation would be an absolute necessity. We have none. Therefore please drop it unless you can find a reliable source! Rodney Baggins (talk) 16:15, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

so it`s not sourced..doesn`t mean it`s not true..trump is not a common name..i`m 60 years old never even heard of anyone named trump until recently..you know as well as I do many if not most people here are only here because of their last names..I know exactly how this wiki works which is why I don`t edit articles there`s no point to it..anyone with an opinion different from mind is just going to delete..I know this article is meaningless..what I`m saying is trump the sports guy is catching crap because of his last name which is at least somewhat interesting to myself probably most who bothered to look at the article..this can be easily sourced..i don`t edit Wikipedia articles...this statement " he isn't, or it would have been mentioned in sources " and others similar to this here in talk is the only reason why I`m here..that`s just plain untrue.107.217.84.95 (talk) 18:59, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Common sense alert. There needs to be NO MENTION AT ALL of any other unrelated Trumps. Under any circumstance. The only reason we need to add such comment is if some passing reliable source makes some kind of connection, or disconnection, and even then you have ask yourself if Encyclopedica Britannica would make such comment. The answer is NO, NOT IN A MILLION YEARS. Not everything in English Language Wikipedia needs a link to the Orange Idiot. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:11, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

HELL NO. This article is about a British snooker player (and a good one...) with no known family connections to the guy in the White House, so keep him out of here. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 20:58, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Trump (surname) article contains enough information for one to conclude that the snooker player is not related to the American president. _dk (talk) 23:04, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I utterly despise Donald Trump...in case you haven`t figured it out yet I`m just rattling your chain...I live in the US..I have to deal with that POS directly..however..

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-5109269/Donald-Trump-giving-bad-says-snooker-star.htm

I personally find this hilarious..the truth is believe it or not this is relevant..this person`s last name is the only reason anybody outside of the "snooker" world even knows he exists..I`m guessing he`s alright as he is trying to distance himself from that incompetent predator. The point is people are going to associate them whether they are related or not..just so you know the real reason I`m here is reading this talk page it seems there are people here who claim "proof" they are not is because they don`t really know therefore they are not which is twisted..I have an uncle who is a genealogist and has traced my history 2000 years..when you start reading those charts you'd be surprised how closely a lot of random people are related.107.217.84.95 (talk) 19:58, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We don't include Daily Mail sources on Wikipedia, as unreliable. See WP:DAILYMAIL. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:07, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I didn`t know that..thanks..I take it it`s a tabloid similar to National Enquire ? Everyone`s related not the point..I`m not trying to edit the article I just find it strange that this article get`s posted on the main page under the circumstances..this person is catching flack because of his last name which is at least worth a trivia note..people here are saying essentially because it`s not already noted on Wikipedia they are not related..I don`t care whether it`s included or not..I do think it`s noteworthy that he has to answer for it.107.217.84.95 (talk) 20:33, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You nailed it, see {{trivia}}. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:46, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::POTUS is "President of the United States" [[User:Canadianpoliticaljunkie|Canadianpoliticaljunkie]] ([[User talk:Canadianpoliticaljunkie|talk]])
 :::{{u|Canadianpoliticaljunkie}} - Please don't use acronyms in this way. The reason this isn't mentioned in the article, is because it's completely irrelevant. Why would an English professional snooker player be related to someone who shared as last name? If he was related, then it would be mentioned, but as it isn't, you can be sure that he isn't. Best Wishes, '''[[User:Lee Vilenski|<span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lee Vilenski|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Lee Vilenski|contribs]])</sup>''' 15:36, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
+:::: Why can't he use the acronym? It's properly used. [[Special:Contributions/192.55.54.41|192.55.54.41]] ([[User talk:192.55.54.41|talk]]) 14:12, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 ::::I agree with you that it's irrelevant in theory, but in the current political climate, perhaps a disclaimer that he is NOT related to "The Donald" is in order. It may prevent malicious vandalism of the page. And who knows? May he is a 12th-cousin or something. (Although the POTUS is German-Swedish in origin.) [[User:CFLeon|CFLeon]] ([[User talk:CFLeon|talk]]) 17:31, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 ::::"The political landscape" has no bearing on Wikipedia. If anything, it would add to vandalism of the page. If there is a source that says he is related to Donald Trump, then it could potentially be added, but we don't just say "don't worry, he's not related to this guy" on every article to someone with a similar name. It's so ridiculous. Best Wishes, '''[[User:Lee Vilenski|<span style="color:green">Lee Vilenski</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lee Vilenski|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/Lee Vilenski|contribs]])</sup>''' 18:05, 7 May 2019 (UTC)