Talk:China

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Intentionally misleading information in demographics section

The demographics section of the China Wikipedia page includes the statement “China's rapid growth has pulled hundreds of millions—800 million, to be more precise—of its people out of poverty since 1978. By 2013, less than 2% of the Chinese population lived below the international poverty line of US$1.9 per day, down from 88% in 1981. China's own standards for poverty are higher and still the country is on its way to eradicate national poverty completely by 2019.” This statement cites misleading reports from the Chinese government itself and directly lies about China having higher standards for poverty, when the poverty line set by the Chinese government is actually much lower than the line set elsewhere.

How should China's government be described?

Should its government be described as 'Unitary one-party socialist republic' or 'Unitary one-party socialist republic under an authoritarian dictatorship' ? RllyD1D2M3 (talk) 15:08, 5 January 2020 (UTC) Unitary one-party socialist republic under an authoritarian dictatorship Wandavianempire (talk) 15:03, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

I'd go with just "Red China" that way there is a differentiation between free China aka: Taiwan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.115.10.30 (talk) 17:21, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

It is a socially responsible one-party republic. It is not very socialist, or communist for that matter, considering how the party encourages the creation of private enterprises and allows previously unknown people to become (very!) rich. It is also not a dictatorship despite the "president" being in there for life. The communist party has around 8 million members (from memory) and regions have a fair amount of autonomy. It is simplistic and misleading calling China socialist, communistic, or a dictatorship. It is a socially responsible one-party republic. Socially responsible in the same sense Democracies in Europe see it with universal healthcare, shelters and food for the poorest and an expectation for all to contribute to the society - or pay for themselves.

Coronavirus economic disaster getting worldwide attention

It's a medical issue yes but more it's a major economic disaster for China, with production and employment plunging in 2020. and it's a major economic crisis for USA, France, Japan, Iran, Italy etc. (US stock market lost over $3 trillion last week attributed to virus issues). Also it's a political issue regarding the ability of the Chinese govt to handle the double crisis. In terms of Wiki reader interest, there are 21,300 hits/ day on this China page with all its dozens of topics, and 10,000+ pageviews a day on the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak in Mainland China page on this one topic. Official Chinese data for Feb 2020 (reported in Wall St Journal) shown manufacturing DOWN 28%, non-manufacturing output DOWN 46% and employment DOWN 32% --that's getting worlwide attention in every news outlet. read the Wall Street Journal Feb. 28, 2020 Now let's hear the evidence that that the issue is unimportant for wiki readers concerned with China. I notee the editor involved also erased virus info from the Wihan page, calling it vandalism --see this edit. @Yeungkahchun: comments on Chinese 2020 economic crisis Rjensen (talk) 08:23, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Per the pageviews metric, after 4 Feb, pageviews of this page quickly began receding to normal levels. Even at the onset of the Hubei lockdowns ahead of Lunar New Year, the peak in pageviews could not match that attracted by the 70th anniversary of the PRC's founding. Further demonstrating the WP:RECENTISM of that addition, a JPMorgan economist has cited possible 15% second quarter GDP growth in the mainland. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 19:47, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

"and it's a major economic crisis for USA, France, Japan, Iran, Italy etc" -- The fact that you say it is an economic issue for the whole world goes against the argument of putting it on China's page specifically. And there are thousands of cases in Italy and Korea and hundreds of cases in many more countries. -- Coronavirus should have its own page. And Spanish Flu should not be included as a section on Spain's page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.169.197.8 (talk) 01:34, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

"China republic" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the redirect China republic should be deleted, kept, or retargeted. It will be discussed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 March 24#China republic until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 17:07, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Differentiation between de iure and de facto form of government

181.179.34.64 (talk) 08:12, 1 April 2020 (UTC) It's true the state structure envisioned in the P.R.C. Fundamental Law is followed, however, the top posts are help by top-ranking party officials that act according to Politburo decisions and orders. China is not an autocracy, it's an oligarchy. No need to alter the current political regime, current one is fully oligarchic. Please edit the article.

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Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2020

third or fourth largest ]] country by area. 'to' Stranger Things El (talk) 14:04, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:49, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

How is talking about China's atrocities considered neutral

I have been surfing some pages regarding political oppression carried out by China but have so far seen only people blocked or edits reversed due to violating neutrality (take 8964 as an example, the scene was clearly a massacre as many were killed, but such mentions were deleted), so how would describing atrocities commited by the CCP considered neutral? Genuine question not troll — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.239.120.108 (talk) 17:27, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

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National motto

The infobox currently lists Serve the People (为人民服务) as the PRC's motto, but I wasn't able to find any sources to suggest that this motto (though it appears on Xinhuamen and in older Maoist literature) has official recognition as such. Indeed, my understanding is that its use has significantly decreased since the end of the Cultural Revolution. I was wondering if anyone had any sources to support its inclusion in this article. Rfwang4 (talk) 01:13, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the article itself says it's unofficial and that it's "less often used in China today". I tried to remove, but was reverted for no reason. Brandmeister^talk 07:29, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Criticism of China?

Gathering opinions on the proposed section. The criticism of the US Gov't has several pages, but only one section for country with the highest population. Apart from this one critical portion, the entirety of the article gives a glowing review, almost like an advertisement. What think ye? IDeagle94 (talk) 02:21, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

You're talking about the China article? A seperate "criticism" section in this article is not necessary, this article is not meant to persuade people as to whether or not China/the Chinese government is good or bad. LittleCuteSuit (talk) 19:34, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

• Articles and sections devoted to criticism are not preferred. WP:CRITS I'd rather make the argument the Criticism of the United States government article should be merged into the History of the United States article. The US criticism article has multiple issue tags and does not read well as a single subject. Just because the US criticism article slipped past Wikipedia's best practices doesn't mean we should do the same for China. Waters.Justin (talk) 13:48, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2020

The name in chinese means "middle country" sometimes interpreted more historically as "middle kingdom" not "middle" per reference 15. I think this is just a basic typo type error. You can find the interpretation in any chinese->english dictionary, such as https://chinese.yabla.com/chinese-english-pinyin-dictionary.php?define=guo. 108.51.103.157 (talk) 23:34, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The current information in the article is cited to academic books on the matter. An online dictionary is not appropriate to challenge this information. Also, please establish consensus for this change before asking again. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:59, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

COVID-19

Should the recent coronavirus outbreak and its consequences on the Chinese population, economy, and political standing be mentioned in this article. SamsonKriger (talk) 19:21, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

It should NOT be mentioned. How is an illness descriptive of a country's political and economical evolution relevant? The line currently in the article is just to satisfy the US stance on COVID-19 as "The China virus". Also there are indications that this sickness goes back further than December both in France and the US. Please remove the line. It only "appears" factually correct, but is Sinophobic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frank N Fahrendorf (talk • contribs) 06:12, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

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