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::::Okay, that sounds fair, so thank you. I genuinely didn't mean to equate suffragettes with suicide bombers and mass murderers - I totally recognise that the small group of suffragettes that did undertake militant activities cannot be defined as 'terrorists' in the modern sense of the word, I just felt that their bombing campaigns in particular might be worth mentioning on pages providing lists of terrorist incidents. But I understand that I should have considered other users' point of view.<p>The interest in other people's sexual preferences comes from my love of women's football, I am a LGBT women's footballer myself so I wanted to make clear who are the LGBT heroes in the sport... but I can see that I am not supposed to be [[WP:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS]]. This is why the my edits on people's sexuality were primarily on women's footballers, and I think were almost all on female sportspeople.<p>If possible, could you please clarify, should I wait 6 months before applying for an unblock? I would quite happily delete the other accounts I had: [[User:Where's my Lasange]], [[User:Beevor54]] and [[User:Speaker of Truth and Wisdom]] if that helps. [[User:AmSam13|AmSam13]] ([[User talk:AmSam13#top|talk]]) 20:41, 9 August 2020 (UTC) |
::::Okay, that sounds fair, so thank you. I genuinely didn't mean to equate suffragettes with suicide bombers and mass murderers - I totally recognise that the small group of suffragettes that did undertake militant activities cannot be defined as 'terrorists' in the modern sense of the word, I just felt that their bombing campaigns in particular might be worth mentioning on pages providing lists of terrorist incidents. But I understand that I should have considered other users' point of view.<p>The interest in other people's sexual preferences comes from my love of women's football, I am a LGBT women's footballer myself so I wanted to make clear who are the LGBT heroes in the sport... but I can see that I am not supposed to be [[WP:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS]]. This is why the my edits on people's sexuality were primarily on women's footballers, and I think were almost all on female sportspeople.<p>If possible, could you please clarify, should I wait 6 months before applying for an unblock? I would quite happily delete the other accounts I had: [[User:Where's my Lasange]], [[User:Beevor54]] and [[User:Speaker of Truth and Wisdom]] if that helps. [[User:AmSam13|AmSam13]] ([[User talk:AmSam13#top|talk]]) 20:41, 9 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::The other accounts are already blocked; accounts aren't "deleted" on Wikipedia, anyway. Why did you feel the need to use multiple accounts? At any rate, you've done one of the worst possible things on Wikipedia. We're based on [[WP:CONSENSUS|a concept of consensus]], and you've been attempting to feign consensus by using alternate accounts. If you hadn't done exactly that, I'd be inclined to let you off with "time served". Instead, yes, the [[WP:OFFER|standard offer]] is the best you can do; come back in six months, without editing Wikipedia at all in any way, and request unblock. [[User:Jpgordon|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 ]]</small></sup> 00:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC) |
:::::The other accounts are already blocked; accounts aren't "deleted" on Wikipedia, anyway. Why did you feel the need to use multiple accounts? At any rate, you've done one of the worst possible things on Wikipedia. We're based on [[WP:CONSENSUS|a concept of consensus]], and you've been attempting to feign consensus by using alternate accounts. If you hadn't done exactly that, I'd be inclined to let you off with "time served". Instead, yes, the [[WP:OFFER|standard offer]] is the best you can do; come back in six months, without editing Wikipedia at all in any way, and request unblock. [[User:Jpgordon|--jpgordon]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Jpgordon|𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 ]]</small></sup> 00:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::What can I say really, I did not realise that there were such serious consequences of using multiple accounts as sockpuppets, but I know that's no excuse - I knew full well deep down that it wasn't something that would be condoned. Someone had mentioned me doing 'sock' edits before, but since I am new to this is didn't know what that term meant at the time and thought nothing more of it, otherwise I would have had a better understanding of the full implications of my actions. But yes, in review all I can say is that I do admit to using the four accounts improperly and to feign consensus, I accept that it is entirely fair to block all the accounts in that case and all I can say is I apologise to all the editors who I've inconvenienced, mislead and annoyed. I hope I have not ruined the pages that I have edited on. If I was to get another chance in future, I would certainly avoid using multiple accounts and would not edit on such controversial issues. [[User:AmSam13|AmSam13]] ([[User talk:AmSam13#top|talk]]) 10:44, 10 August 2020 (UTC) |
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- Okay, thank you. Will do.AmSam13 (talk) 19:52, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
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- Why is the image copyrighted? I'm not trying to use it under fair use, I uploaded it as it was from a Creative Commons YouTube video.AmSam13 (talk) 23:00, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- It's copyrighted because it's an image you've snipped from a television program and you do not hold the copyright for the image. Please read the image policy I linked to for further information.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 23:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Please do not make baseless claims about me. I have absolutely not 'snipped' it from a television program, I have got it from a screenshot of a YouTube video with a Creative Commons license. This is allowed on Wikipedia, you should know that. Just look at the details of the photo on Wikimedia Commons for goodness sake, it will show that it is from a FREE YouTube video. AmSam13 (talk) 23:22, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- "Snipped" = "screenshot". It is a screenshot of a television program and it is the television program (or ITV Studios to be more precise) that own the copyright regardless of who uploads the video of ITV's program to YouTube. Such images cannot be used in BLPs. If it was a screenshot of an interview between the subject and Cosmopolitan UK that Cosmo uploaded to their own channel then Cosmopolitan's Creative Commons license would apply. If you are unsure you can ask at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions for additional input. -- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 23:31, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Please do not make baseless claims about me. I have absolutely not 'snipped' it from a television program, I have got it from a screenshot of a YouTube video with a Creative Commons license. This is allowed on Wikipedia, you should know that. Just look at the details of the photo on Wikimedia Commons for goodness sake, it will show that it is from a FREE YouTube video. AmSam13 (talk) 23:22, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- It's copyrighted because it's an image you've snipped from a television program and you do not hold the copyright for the image. Please read the image policy I linked to for further information.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 23:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
- Why is the image copyrighted? I'm not trying to use it under fair use, I uploaded it as it was from a Creative Commons YouTube video.AmSam13 (talk) 23:00, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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Hey, I saw you reverted my edit; I totally understand why, but the rationale is MOS:SUPERCAT — Category:People with non-binary gender identities is redundant because she is also in Category:Non-binary models. I've restored my edit and, similarly, just removed Category:Queer people (parent to Category:Queer women) and Category:Transgender and transsexual women (grandparent category to Category:Transgender and transsexual female models).
Thanks for keeping an eye out for people making bad edits to articles about LGBTQ+ people, though. If you are looking for other useful work on LGBTQ+ topics, there's a page at WP:LGBT/Editing, a subpage of WP:WikiProject LGBT studies, where your efforts would I'm sure be greatly appreciated. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 21:56, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hi there, thanks for explaining, I understand now. Wasn't quite clued up on the category rules so thank you.AmSam13 (talk) 00:21, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
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I wonder what this is all about. You and your socks LOVE editing the articles of LGBTQ semi-celebrities and athletes, and here you are claiming that suffragettes were terrorists. Very strange. Drmies (talk) 15:13, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
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Request reason:
Your reason here Hi, I don't really understand why I have been blocked indefinitely and all my historical edits removed. I know I received a warning for edit warring, but this is my first block so I'm not sure why I have been blocked indefinitely. AmSam13 (talk) 15:22, 9 August 2020 (UTC) AmSam13 (talk) 15:22, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
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As shown below, this is untrue. You know perfectly well. This unblock request will count against you in the future, as we don't look kindly on people who try to mislead us. Yamla (talk) 17:22, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
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- No, first you need to explain why you and your socks have such a fascination with the sexuality of athletes. Wikipedia is not for therapy. For the benefit of the onlookers, the socks we just blocked are Beevor54 (talk · contribs), Where's my Lasange (talk · contribs), and Speaker of Truth and Wisdom (talk · contribs). Drmies (talk) 16:04, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, look, you got me. Those are also my accounts, and I have been using them inappropriately, so I'm sorry for that. I have done some good edits as well though, all the stuff I've added on the List of disasters in Great Britain and Ireland page was all in good faith and cited to the best of my ability. I admit that my edits have not always been great, but I hope if I get another chance and just restrict myself to adding non-controversial or private material then I can show that I can also add helpful edits. AmSam13 (talk) 16:15, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I did get you. This would have been less damning if you hadn't been edit warring with all these accounts over some seriously inflammatory content. I mean, who goes around insisting that suffragettes are to be equated with suicide bombers and mass murderers? And what's with the interest in other people's sexual preferences?
You can have another chance--this is our "standard offer": WP:OFFER. Your chances of ever getting back in if you also cop to previous accounts you used. Also pinging Black Kite and Jpgordon. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 20:21, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, that sounds fair, so thank you. I genuinely didn't mean to equate suffragettes with suicide bombers and mass murderers - I totally recognise that the small group of suffragettes that did undertake militant activities cannot be defined as 'terrorists' in the modern sense of the word, I just felt that their bombing campaigns in particular might be worth mentioning on pages providing lists of terrorist incidents. But I understand that I should have considered other users' point of view.
The interest in other people's sexual preferences comes from my love of women's football, I am a LGBT women's footballer myself so I wanted to make clear who are the LGBT heroes in the sport... but I can see that I am not supposed to be WP:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS. This is why the my edits on people's sexuality were primarily on women's footballers, and I think were almost all on female sportspeople.
If possible, could you please clarify, should I wait 6 months before applying for an unblock? I would quite happily delete the other accounts I had: User:Where's my Lasange, User:Beevor54 and User:Speaker of Truth and Wisdom if that helps. AmSam13 (talk) 20:41, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- The other accounts are already blocked; accounts aren't "deleted" on Wikipedia, anyway. Why did you feel the need to use multiple accounts? At any rate, you've done one of the worst possible things on Wikipedia. We're based on a concept of consensus, and you've been attempting to feign consensus by using alternate accounts. If you hadn't done exactly that, I'd be inclined to let you off with "time served". Instead, yes, the standard offer is the best you can do; come back in six months, without editing Wikipedia at all in any way, and request unblock. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 00:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- What can I say really, I did not realise that there were such serious consequences of using multiple accounts as sockpuppets, but I know that's no excuse - I knew full well deep down that it wasn't something that would be condoned. Someone had mentioned me doing 'sock' edits before, but since I am new to this is didn't know what that term meant at the time and thought nothing more of it, otherwise I would have had a better understanding of the full implications of my actions. But yes, in review all I can say is that I do admit to using the four accounts improperly and to feign consensus, I accept that it is entirely fair to block all the accounts in that case and all I can say is I apologise to all the editors who I've inconvenienced, mislead and annoyed. I hope I have not ruined the pages that I have edited on. If I was to get another chance in future, I would certainly avoid using multiple accounts and would not edit on such controversial issues. AmSam13 (talk) 10:44, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- The other accounts are already blocked; accounts aren't "deleted" on Wikipedia, anyway. Why did you feel the need to use multiple accounts? At any rate, you've done one of the worst possible things on Wikipedia. We're based on a concept of consensus, and you've been attempting to feign consensus by using alternate accounts. If you hadn't done exactly that, I'd be inclined to let you off with "time served". Instead, yes, the standard offer is the best you can do; come back in six months, without editing Wikipedia at all in any way, and request unblock. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 00:27, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, that sounds fair, so thank you. I genuinely didn't mean to equate suffragettes with suicide bombers and mass murderers - I totally recognise that the small group of suffragettes that did undertake militant activities cannot be defined as 'terrorists' in the modern sense of the word, I just felt that their bombing campaigns in particular might be worth mentioning on pages providing lists of terrorist incidents. But I understand that I should have considered other users' point of view.
- Yes, I did get you. This would have been less damning if you hadn't been edit warring with all these accounts over some seriously inflammatory content. I mean, who goes around insisting that suffragettes are to be equated with suicide bombers and mass murderers? And what's with the interest in other people's sexual preferences?
- Okay, look, you got me. Those are also my accounts, and I have been using them inappropriately, so I'm sorry for that. I have done some good edits as well though, all the stuff I've added on the List of disasters in Great Britain and Ireland page was all in good faith and cited to the best of my ability. I admit that my edits have not always been great, but I hope if I get another chance and just restrict myself to adding non-controversial or private material then I can show that I can also add helpful edits. AmSam13 (talk) 16:15, 9 August 2020 (UTC)