User talk:Uanfala

January 2020

Hello, and Namaste, dear Uanfala, I am Dheeraj789 you revert Template:Hindi topics and Template:Urdu topics edits to old but, I think when we add some more varieties, I think we can describe Hindi and Urdu. In an template way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dheeraj789 (talk • contribs) 07:57, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi and sorry for not providing an edit summary in my revert, but your edit to the Urdu template was very similar to edits previously done by a certain disruptive editor, who was pushing a particular point of view that sought to represent many Indian languages as dialects of Urdu. I don't know if you're aware of it, but that's certainly what you give the appearance of doing. – Uanfala (talk) 13:32, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

I am so sorry dear, if it is done by another disruptive editor, I will not repeat my edits, basically I have read that Hindi and Urdu are standards of an similar language called "Hindustani" , so i was thinking that there dialects are also same, i am so sorry, by the way thanks, but I have read in local Hindi books and websites, that Khari Boli is an ancient form of both, Hindi and Urdu, can I add that to Template:Urdu topics, please tell me. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dheeraj789 (talk • contribs) 18:33, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

You appear to be mixing up the two meanings of the word "Hindi". In one sense, the word refers to Modern Standard Hindi, the standardised register of Hindustani with an official status in India, just like Urdu is another standardised form of the same underlying language. On the other hand, when you say that Awadhi, Bhojpuri etc. are "Hindi dialects", there's another meaning of the word involved. It's the "Hindi" of the Hindi belt: a very wide grouping of languages. In this sense, "Hindi" has nothing to do with Modern Standard Hindi and nothing to do with Urdu. This is the reason why your edits have been reverted again and again over the last couple of months. – Uanfala (talk) 23:54, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much, dear — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dheeraj789 (talk • contribs) 04:44, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

@Uanfala: Can't believe this sami guy is here yet again, does he not get tired or something. Weren't IP ranges blocked for him? Seems like he has found new ones to vandalize and disrupt with. Gotitbro (talk) 01:08, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Well, he's a bit of a nuisance, but what can you do? His IP address appears to be dynamic, so I'd reckon he can only be kept off with a range block, and that would presumably also limit access for many legitimate IP editors. But no one has said so explicitly yet, so I guess we can continue asking for such blocks in subsequent SPIs, if there are any. – Uanfala (talk) 01:15, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

I have asked for a rangeblock on the SPI seeing multiple disruptive IP addresses most likely belonging to him. That seems necessary as while it may block some legitimate IP users the disruption by sami is too much.

Is there a more permanent/binding solution for this sockpuppeteer? It tires everyone who comes across his edits and tries to deal with them, because the puppeteer comes right back with multiple socks and IPs. @Fylindfotberserk: should know as well (seeing the multiple SPIs). All I can think of is rangeblocks as there is only so much IP hopping available on dynamic IPs; and page protection. Some pages definitely need long term protection such as the Templates (which I have requested), the main Urdu, Hindi and Hindustani language articles should probably be under some king of protection as well.

Uanfala and Fylindfotberserk please ask for rangeblocks and RPPs when you come across the socks and his IPs. Apart from that the constantly vandalized/disrupted pages need to be under watch.

The sockpuppeteer appears to be active in these broad topics: Hindi-Urdu pages (articles, categories and templates); Indian showbiz (adding Urdu POVPUSHing cats to actors, songs, films and TV shows), Pakistani television (creating blatant hoax articles, cats); the India-Pakistan conflict (creating POVPUSHing articles, templates and cats) and Muhajir topics (adding Muhajir POVPUSH cats). The puppeteer has now started assuming non-Pakistani false identities [Indian Hindu being the latest, previously it was a Thai guy] to push their edits through, he is now also applying the good hand bad hand tactic for the same. Gotitbro (talk) 02:36, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for following up on that. I don't know of the best way of dealing with that as this it's not my area. It's kind of taxing to be dealing with this sock, isn't?, it's like a game of whack-a-mole. I really shoudln't be saying that but I kind of miss dealing with more sophisticated socks. You know, the ones with carefully constructed, believable identities, where it's somewhat satisfying when you manage to uncover them. – Uanfala (talk) 03:02, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

LOL @ this, what can be more WP:HAND. Nice work Gotitbro. Considering the recent discussions and the large scale of users involved, in the Hindustani language article, I believe we have more eyes watching that one. I'll request PP and range block whenever possible. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:11, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

@Uanfala and Fylindfotberserk: This is the Wikia of the sockpuppeteer. It contains pages copied from Wikipedia (edited with the POV they'd like to push) and the pages he is most likely to frequent and disrupt. Do watchlist articles that interest you there. [It seems like a pastime for this sockpuppeteer as he returns with new accounts/IPs day after day and appears to "enjoy" faking identities and disrupting. The only solution (besides rangeblocks) is to watchlist and RPP the most frequently vandalized articles (and I believe you are already familiar with his non-sensical editing style along with PTCL IPs that geolocate to Karachi, to identify his edits). Gotitbro (talk) 18:06, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Awesome work finding that Wikia bro. I already have quite a lot of those articles watchlisted. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:17, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

These are the IP ranges that have been used by sami in past: 39.51.*, 119.157.*, 182.190.*, 119.159.*, 119.153.*, 43.246.*, 182.183.*. If you see Urdu POV from any of these ranges (or any PTCL Karachi IP) and similar sami nonsense it is most likely him; currently his edits are coming from 39.51.*. His edits have been somewhat limited due to previous range blocks and page protections, so do RPP and watchlist extremely disrupted pages. We need to ask for range blocks and page protections whenever possible. Fylind please add a range block request for 39.51.* to your latest SPI on sami [IP range edits are there on the Urdu article]. Also keep an eye on Urdu POV from weird usernames which are most likely sami socks. Thanks. Gotitbro (talk) 07:44, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Forgot to tag you. Gotitbro (talk) 07:46, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

@Gotitbro: Yup. Requested range block. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:03, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

@Fowler&fowler: The user account you have been interacting with recently at Hindustani language most likely belongs to the sockpuppeteer User:Muhammad Samiuddin Qazi (sami) (see the conversation above). I would wait for the SPI to be closed on that account before proceeding to edit. That puppeteer is a chronic disruptor who doesn't stop until blocked. Any recent users with peculiar usernames (and a bad command of English) pushing an Urdu POV are most likely his socks - along with the IP ranges mentioned above. The most disrupted topics by the puppeteer are in the Urdu, Hindi and Hindustani areas so do keep an eye out. Gotitbro (talk) 02:50, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Not to mention that he likes faking identities (as he his currently doing on his User page) and edits (doing good hand bad hand edits which he seems to be doing now [with the same account I might add] adding a bit of Hindi POV and then removing it to load it with Urdu POV claiming to to so after having "read" something, in the current case Britannica). Gotitbro (talk) 02:58, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Do you think this[1] might be another one? –Austronesier (talk) 10:52, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Oh yes, seems extremely likely. – Uanfala (talk) 15:17, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

@Uanfala and Fylindfotberserk: Seems like sami has changed his IP provider, the recent edits by the IPs on the Hindustani language page look exactly like sami to me. The ranges being (168.211.*, 196.195.*, 117.102.*). Gotitbro (talk) 12:40, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

@Uanfala, Fylindfotberserk, and Austronesier: I am going to create an LTA page for sami. Can someone help me to list the ranges in the discussion above (39.51.*, 119.157.*, 182.190.*, 119.159.*, 119.153.*, 43.246.*, 182.183.*, 168.211.*, 196.195.*, 117.102.*) as they are in the infobox here (in the CIDR format). Thanks. Gotitbro (talk) 06:32, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

@Gotitbro: Go ahead. I'll keep adding IPs confirmed/or otherwise as I come across them. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:01, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Uanfala and @Fylindfotberserk: I have created the LTA page for sami, here: WP:LTA/SAMI. Feel free to add anything you think should be there or I have missed. Just cite the LTA when reverting him. I also ask you to be extra vigilant especially now, its COVID-19 and our puppeteer has all the time in the world (with most countries on lockdown including PK). @Uanfala: Can you take a look at Rekhta and take care of the socking there. Fylind can you look at the Dubbing (filmmaking) and watchlist it. Thanks. Gotitbro (talk) 13:31, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Nice. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:43, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

@Gotitbro: I have most of the language-related articles targeted by this sockfarm on my watchlist. We can point to the LTA when reporting new socks, but I prefer not to mention it in reverts per WP:DENY. –Austronesier (talk) 15:05, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

@Austronesier: You're right that was naive on my part as the puppeteer clearly craves attention. Can I ask you to be vigilant on Rekhta (I might've gone overboard while dealing with the sock on there). Other major articles Hindustani, Hindi, Urdu are already under PP; I request others here to RPP other vandalized pages as well. Gotitbro (talk) 15:13, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

@Gotitbro: Have added Rekhta now, I have missed it somehow until now. Looking at the recent hist is a nauseating experience for such a small article. –Austronesier (talk) 16:13, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

@Austronesier: It really is, I usually wait for the accounts/IPs to get blocked after submitting an SPI but the disruption continues unabated in that timeframe and it gets hard to ignore. All language article listed in the Central Indo-Aryan languages are targeted by this puppeteer, including articles related to Urdu and Hindi: Dakhini, Old Hindi etc. If you can watchlist these it would be great. Gotitbro (talk) 16:37, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Uanfala! FYI, unrelated to this but the same kind of problem: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/WorldCreaterFighter –Austronesier (talk) 12:55, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Western Pahari

Hello Uanfala. You recently reverted changes made by me. I am a speaker of Himachali dialects (Kahluri in particular).

My first issue with this whole page is the usage of terminology. Today, Himachal is a state which includes languages of both Indo-Aryan as well as Sino-Tibetan roots. Whenever you make a simple google search, this article pops up first, and shows only part of languages of Himachal Pradesh and includes languages which are rather indigenous to the neighbouring state. This leads a incomplete sharing of the actual ground level truth. You say this page is linguistically defined but are very easily using geographical terms. I therefore request you to not to use the term "Himachali Languages" (even though it is termed in this manner on Glottolog), and strictly stick with the term Western Pahari. If you don't agree with this, I can't make sense out of the fact that how come, Jaunsari, Bhaderwahi and Dogri becomes Himachali Languages and Lohar, Chinalbashe ,etc. are not, in today's context.

Urdu script was used and still used in small scale to write, by the common populace, because it was taught to them in school. As for the matter of fact, almost all Himachali dialects are oral, so it doesn't makes much sense to ask for sufficient official document which were written in these scripts. People in 1960s, 1970s have learned Urdu script, Devanagari script and therefore, both these scripts are used. Besides, there is a sizeable Muslim population in Chamba, who too use urdu script. About roman script, for obvious reason today's generation use it and I don't think one needs a whole glottolog or research paper to prove this. As a matter of fact I personally use it and I know a lot many other Himachali people who use it. Coming to Brahmi Script, I can agree that it won't make sense to talk about Pahari languages then. But I can't make sense that you have reverted it for Kashmiri Sharda Script, when Tankri and Devashesh Scripts are derived form it. Devashesh Script was used mostly by the priestly class and can be seen in temples along with Tankri script. You will find a huge variety in Tankri script throughout Himachal Pradesh, but only end up talking about the Chambeali standard. The Kaulantak Peeth still use Devashesh and Tankri today.

The reason I had included Bagali and Baghati (Lower Mahasu), is that they are significantly different from the Upper Mahasu dialects. You have condensed both of them, when they shouldn't have been done so, because then you can condense other Himachali dialects the way you want to. Therefore, I request you to keep them separate, as they are separate in Glottolog too.

You say that PLSI is not a reliable source. Can you explain me why is this so? Because if this is so, you mean to say I can't include the folktales or stories mentioned in this book, in corresponding wiki pages? I have personally gone through the book, and I can say that it records these dialects pretty well.

At the end, thanks for giving more structure to the list of dialects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nik9hil (talk • contribs) 10:40, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Nik9hil. Wikipedia definitely needs more editors with knowledge of Kahluri (I think you're the first one I've seen so far) and with awareness of the language situation in Himachal more broadly. I'm sure you have a lot to contribute here and I hope you decide to stay. If there's one wikipedia page that I'd recommend for you to have a look at, that's WP:OR – this is the point where writing for wikipedia most clearly diverges from most types of writing elsewhere.

The article Western Pahari is about the linguistically defined group of closely related languages, it doesn't completely overlap with the set of languages spoken in the state of Himachal. The two can easily be confused, so at least for now I'll add a short note to the article clarifying that. Probably we might need a long-term solution involving some change in the topic structure. To begin with, Himachali language (and the plural Himachali languages) can be turned into a disambiguation page instead of redirecting to the Pahari article. There're also uses of "Himachali" to refer to these languages perceived as a single language, right? This will probably need to be explained somewhere in the article.

I'm not very familiar with the situation around the scripts used for Pahari. If anything is dubious in the current article, feel free to remove it. You can add a mention of the informal use of the Latin script, but anything else will ideally need to be reliably sourced. If you add anything without a source there, I'll leave it be, but it's possible that others might remove it. Again, it's important that the script is/was used for a given Western Pahari language, not that the script was used in the territory of what is now Himachal Pradesh. For scripts used within the state, regardless of language, you can add some brief content in Himachal Pradesh#Languages (though that section could definitely be also expanded with a fuller list of the languages spoken in the state).

I've listed the languages based on Glottolog, but that's just a starting point. Glottolog treats Baghati as a dialect of Lower Mahasu Pahari [2], but we don't need to follow that. Feel free to add Baghati as a separate language, but just leave a mention in the footnote that its inclusion there departs from the source.

The PLSI is partially reliable. You can use it for general information, like names and locations of languages. Statements about the phonology or grammar may be alright, but they tend to be linguistically naive, so other sources are usually preferable. Feel free to quote words or brief passages in a given language, but the full texts of stories or folktales don't really belong on wikipedia. For claims about history, linguistic or otherwise, it's better to use other sources. When citing the PLSI, please include fuller bibliographic details, in addition to the title and year of the book this includes the title of the chapter and the name of the author of that chapter. You may find Template:cite book helpful. – Uanfala (talk) 13:17, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. I am very new to these terms and practices and in fact these were my first edits. I am eager to learn them and contribute to further pages.

As for the term Himachali languages, yes, it is used to refer to a subset of Western Pahari Languages. This is done due to two main reasons: first being that these dialects form a dialect continuum, with neighbouring dialects having 80%-90% mutual intelligibilty. Due to this, even though ideally i am a Kahluri speaker, I have a good proficiency in Kangri, Chambeali, Gaddi, Mandeali, Baghali-Baghati, Sirmauri and some proficiency in Kullui and Mahasu Pahari (Upper). Secondly, native people use this term to for the sake of easier explanation to non-native speakers. A more general word Pahari in used, to refer many of these languages/dialects, amongst the people of Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh and Jammu and Kashmir. Do note, that the word Pahari is just for the name sake, because their is no community who has been calling themselves as Pahari, they use indigenous terms.

If not this, people do resort to saying that they are speaking a dialect of Hindi of Punjabi or sometimes Dogri (more common amongst the Kangri and Chambeali people, due to similarities and the fact that Dogri is a scheduled language). This leads to identity loss,confusion or dilution which I want to tackle by contributing to wikipedia pages.

Besides, Pahari(Himachali) , Gahrwali and Kumaoni (latter two being indigenous to Uttarakhand) are currently under consideration to be given scheduled language status by the Ministry of Home Affairs and therefore, i guess we should start looking these languages separately from Hindi, because at least the native speakers have started looking in this manner.

I seldom read research papers on this topic to better understand and compare with whatever i know. I would want to contribute all this to pages for the masses to read and be more mindful to include more citations.

Belgic

[3] Yes, you're absolutely right, I left a tab open in my browser to look at later. Sorry! Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:21, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

MathML

Thanks for the suggestion for Math tag. BoldLuis (talk) 01:55, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Help to give solutions. Thankssssssssssss. BoldLuis (talk) 01:56, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! But that was just a simple run-of-the-mill suggestion, I don't even know if it's the best one – there might be other maths markup languages out there that make use of "maths tags". – Uanfala (talk) 12:53, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Think slowly about it and observing how it was implemented, it is the best sollution. You are a constructive editor and this benefits Wikipedia and other editors. Best wishes. --BoldLuis (talk) 13:33, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Edit for Mianwalli

Hey, I would like to tell you that all districts use provincial flag and seal for official work. So I've restored my edits. Wasi Haider (talk) 13:03, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Wasi Haider, it's about this edit, right? The infobox for a given district should generally list official insignia only if they're specific to the district, not emblems of higher-level units that the administration of this district might be using. See for example the articles for Lahore District, Multan District, or any other really. – Uanfala (talk) 13:13, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Move discussion you may be interested in

Hi Uanfala. Given your recent edit at Anthropology, I wanted to alert you to the discussion I'm starting at Standard cross-cultural sample about a page move to "Standard Cross-Cultural Sample." --Pinchme123 (talk) 15:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

50,000 Destubbing Challenge Focus of the Week

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Wonder if winners have to refund if someone later restubs an article after noticing that it has been destubbed solely for challenge purposes :) –Austronesier (talk) 18:58, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

:) That could happen, if there are prizes involved, people can do all kinds of strange things. – Uanfala (talk) 21:03, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Re. Nominative–accusative language article

Uanfala, please also see the Nominative–accusative language notice, "A request that the title of this article be changed to Nominative–accusative alignment is under discussion," involving your recent deleted and subsequently restored material regarding this article. Cheers. Kent Dominic 11:28, 5 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kent Dominic (talk • contribs)

Yeah, I've already commented in the RM discussion – that's what brought me to the article in the first place. – Uanfala (talk) 12:17, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Lacandon

Not sure my technical objection requires a formal move discussion, but it wouldn't hurt when you're changing the meaning of a widely-used article (now redirect after a move) that may well be linked from places you have no control over. In my case, Rigel is in the middle of a featured article review and doesn't need its wikilinks turning funny colours just when things are looking good. Also, on a technical level, if Lacandon is to be a redirect to a dab page instead of a primary topic (or primary topic redirect), it should actually be a dab page and Lacandon (disambiguation) should be a redirect to it. I'd be tempted to leave it alone, but that's just me. Lithopsian (talk) 16:36, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

I was simply reverting a move from two years ago, and I'd left the final step – the move of the dab page – to the admins patrolling WP:MALPLACED (who can do that with significantly less fuss than me). The wikilink at Rigel has turned a funny colour because of a script you've installed: to readers, it doesn't look any different from other links. – Uanfala (talk) 16:43, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but the link is still broken, whatever colour it is to different readers. We don't need to be changing wikilinks from a suitable target to a dab page in any articles, and ideally not for external urls either. In future, please take care to tidy up at least the English Wikipedia links, or just don't break things in the first place. Lithopsian (talk) 18:29, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

The link was not broken, it was simply going to a dab page. Yes, that's not optimal, but the intended article is still accessible from the dab page and the only thing is the minor inconvenience for readers in going through it; it's also likely to be picked up and fixed promptly by the diligent members of the active WP:DPL project. You could have fixed it yourself by simply editing the link: changing [[Lacandon]] people to [[Lacandon people]] (which I already did after you complained about me breaking your article). However, attempting to "fix" the link by changing the redirect did create a problem as the articles concerned were already geared for the absence of a primary topic: when you retargeted Lacandon to Lacandon people, you suddenly made the disambiguation page (and the articles listed there) inaccessible to readers searching for "Lacandon". I've fixed that by adding a hatnote [4] (which I'll need to remove after the articles are eventually moved). Generally, when changing the target of a redirect you should be mindful of the existing navigational pathways that may get broken in the process. – Uanfala (talk) 18:50, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Chikodi WP:RM/TR request

Hello! Just noting that I've opened an RM discussion on this requested move, since you contested it on the grounds of WP:COMMONNAME. You can find the WP:RM in question at Talk:Chikodi. Thanks, OhKayeSierra (talk) 03:56, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Xu is that your surname

Hey! Not much information from book and website how to code the citations. How long this person born??? Can you see the date???? Even if our Chinese read the book also some of the races can't understand but why you must want to know everything, sometimes we got our privacy. This is just the surname wikimedia no need to too complicated.

And please i put the Kho surname because i'm the Kho surname of Xu at Kho page you don't disturbing it.

Don't act like you have the position to wikimedia! Is your problem! Please make yourself clear. Don't delete my message at here. – K.B.Cheng (talk) 18:54, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

K.B.Cheng, for help with formatting citations, you can see Help:Referencing for beginners. As for the rest of the points you raise, I'm not sure I understand them. If it's about Xu (surname), you can ask Prisencolin, who's been involved with that article. If it's about Kho, then I'm not sure what you intend to accomplish with edits like this. Simply unlinking the name makes it impossible for readers to move from the disambiguation page to the surname article. Is that your intention? – Uanfala (talk) 11:35, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, understood the guidelines and also posted a issue in article talks of Diamer-Bhasha Dam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ganurap (talk • contribs) 18:03, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Pakistan Occupied Kashmir

Hi Uanfala, hope you’re well - especially during these times.

I don’t have any problem with the redirect itself or even the name, not to mention the amount of redirects with the word occupied for both Indian Kashmir and Pakistani Kashmir. My main concern is the fact that this name has taken place of the actual name for the Pakistan-Administered Kashmir known as Azad Kashmir on some devices. I’m not sure the best way to share images on this but if you have an iOS device you and search Azad Kashmir on Safari or use Siri, it returns Pakistan Occupied Kashmir and only does this for Azad Kashmir. I wasn’t sure what caused this but I’m pretty certain now it’s because of this redirect. That’s my only reason for the deletion of this redirect. Taimoorahmed11 (talk) 17:17, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't know how exactly Siri does what it does, but you can be certain that the existence of any one redirect won't have an effect on how the target article is being displayed (like other major articles, Azad Kashmir has several dozen incoming redirects [5]). The cause might be this recent edit to the infobox, which didn't get reverted until a day later. – Uanfala (talk) 17:23, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

I was too a bit uncertain on how the redirect could have had an effect, but I don’t think i’ve ever seen it come up as “Azad Kashmir” every time I’ve checked and I had checked everything else, that could’ve possibly affected the search result. In any case, thank you for your response, i’ll keep an eye out on it and see if it changes. Stay safe. Taimoorahmed11 (talk) 17:31, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Syed Kaleem Imam

Hi can I ask you about this article please? I moved it to draft because it is a BLP relying on a single source. I see you have moved it back to mainspace with an edit summary saying it's notable. It's not clear to me how this meets WP:BASIC. Can you tell me what your thinking is please? All the best Mccapra (talk) 09:34, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

I see notability as fundamental (rather than source-based), see the edit summary of the creation. You can ask the creator, he's done more work in this area than anyone else. – Uanfala (talk) 12:15, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Proposed feature to Module:Interlinear

Hi, Uanfala! I made a short proposal for a feature to Module:Interlinear. Could you take a look at is talk page? Thanks! --Benzenekim (talk) 10:38, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Trouted

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

You have been trouted for: YOUR REASON HERE Maligbro1223 (talk) 17:01, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Pahari-Potohari is a recognized language why did you change it? Please write full detailed reason if there is one. Nobody says anything about the Gurmukhi page.

It's about this edit, right? Feel free to re-add a mention of Pahari, but ideally, that would need a source. – Uanfala (talk) 17:11, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

And if you would like to move Shahmukhi alphabet to Shahmukhi, then please don't copy and paste the article as that breaks up the history. If you believe the move is entirely uncontroversial, you can ask for it at WP:RMT, but here we've got a title that has been stable for years, so it's probably better to start a discussion, see WP:RM#CM for how to do that. – Uanfala (talk) 17:16, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

I have given only correct information

I have edited a page recentlybon a topic jatts .I only gave information from verified sources of wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dushyant baliyan (talk • contribs) 18:01, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

The page you've edited is Jatt, this is a disambiguation page, not an article: it can only have a very short definition for each entry (typically a few words). If you would like to add more content on the topic you can do that in the relevant article, which is Jat people. – Uanfala (talk) 18:04, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Macu language (disambiguation)

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User:Collebud88 in Colombia

The user wants to add ambiguous information about Colombia again. It is best to use the talk page to work on creating a version that represents a consensus among the editors but the user is still determined to add the information he wants. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Collebud88 reported by User:JShark (Result: ). --JShark (talk) 23:13, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

1. [6]
2. [7] -> That user does not stop reversing the editions of other users. And the user never wants to communicate with other editors on the talk pages. --JShark (talk) 07:14, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, that user continues to post controversial information and does not want to discuss his edits. Do you know what can be done with that user to stop him from making edition wars? --JShark (talk) 13:09, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

1. [8]
2. [9]

--JShark (talk) 13:12, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

An IP to watch

Hi Uanfala, perhaps this editor looks familiar to you? Needs to be watched in any case. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:02, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

That doesn't ring any bells, and it's not in an area with which I'm familiar, but the edit was definitely strange. I'll keep an eye out for similar edits. – Uanfala (talk) 10:15, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Hatnote bot

Hello, you mentioned asking for a hatnote-mover bot at this discussion a few weeks ago: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Layout § A bot to move incorrectly placed hatnotes?

Were you still pursuing this idea? If not, where were you going to put in the request? — Goszei (talk) 03:23, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, Goszei, I was intending to carry that forward, but haven't had the time. It's unlikely that I will be able to any time soon, so you're very welcome to take that up! The usual place to ask for a bot is at Wikipedia:Bot requests. I can think of two considerations worth bearing in mind. One, as hinted at in the last discussion, it needs to be decided whether the bot should also move hatnotes that are preceded only by protection icons or invisible templates (like the engvar ones). This does not appear to be relevant for accessibility, it can be useful for the extremely small minority of users with text-only browsers, and is arguably an improvement to the code, but many (most?) editors would probably not consider these improvements significant enough (hence the reference to WP:COSMETICBOT). The second consideration – and one that's obvious enough – is that hatnotes should be moved up only in the lead. The bot should not do anything to hatnotes found within article sections.

Thanks for following up on that. Let me know if there's anything I can help with, I'll be able to respond to messages on my talk page or to pings. – Uanfala (talk) 16:39, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Madi

Thanks for your help on Madi; I missed that alternate spelling (obviously). And more importantly, I didn't know that you could ping from an edit summary! That's really useful. Leschnei (talk) 11:48, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Addressing an oversight

		The Disambiguator's Barnstar
		The Disambiguator's Barnstar is awarded to Wikipedians who are prolific disambiguators. For your long-standing contributions to disambiguation pages and thoughtful participation in disambiguation discussions! JHunterJ (talk) 20:18, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh no! I should have foreseen that my tongue-in-cheek remark at WT:DAB could prompt a kind soul to take pity on me and hand me a barnstar. Thank you though. It would be bad etiquette for me to give you one back now, but I do recognise and appreciate the great work that you do in the area, even though I seemingly so often like to find things to disagree about:) – Uanfala (talk) 20:42, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

I have often (or, uhm, occasionally) consulted the unbarnstarred Uanfala for dab-help, I now do so with even greater awe: do you think this[10] make sense? I am especially unsure about the "one of"-thing. –Austronesier (talk) 21:24, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

I guess I'll give the same sort of non-answer that I imagine I must have given before :) So yeah, looks good. There's nothing wrong with an entry beginning like that. Well, I guess it can be argued that some reader might wonder whether "one of the Philippine languages" refers to one particular language that has not been specified, or to any language of the group. This can be avoided with the use of "any", but the potential for confusion here is really only theoretical, so the page is perfectly fine as it is. – Uanfala (talk) 23:57, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, as always! And beware, "non-answer" might earn you a Modesty Barnstar ;) –Austronesier (talk) 10:04, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks to Uanfala

Thank you Uanfala for adding information about dosut Arqamkhawaja (talk) 14:20, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

No problem. – Uanfala (talk) 14:38, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Anderson

• EyePalindromeEye (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• KaineEng (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Syyyd (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Three accounts all registered the same day with no contributions other than adding links to Anderson. Still think there's no self-promotion here? Guy (help! - typo?) 08:11, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

@JzG: Have a look at this one: ArielARM (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). This time it's works by Mark Donohue (linguist). Very similar patterns with the other refspammers. All this looks very fishy. @Uanfala, I don't think this is a coincidence. –Austronesier (talk) 11:04, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that's suspicious. I won't object if any references specifically contributed by these users are removed, but a probably better option, at least for Munda languages, is to move them to the already pretty big "Further reading" section. They'll be useful, Anderson is a prominent figure in this little field, and it's inevitable that his name would crop up so often in the bibliography. – Uanfala (talk) 16:29, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Dear all, just wanted to give you some context for all the Anderson reference posts. We are not refspammers; we are a small group of language activists composed of linguists, anthropologists and student researchers who are working to improve the credibility of pages about endangered languages on Wikipedia. We have been encouraged by other Wikipedians to take on this task, and we are new to the Wikipedai editing world, so we are still learning and we want to abide by all community standards. As Uanfala noted, Anderson has a very large number of publications about Munda languages, and many of them are not listed on Wikipedia, so we were trying to be proactive and make them available on the pages about Munda languages. Further references would be fine. Similarly with Donohue, and many other prominent and emerging linguists in the field of endangered languages, our goal is make their works known on the pages of the languages they have worked on. Many of those languages only have a small number of authors who have published works on the languages, so you might see a lot of the same author on one page, but it's not out of malice or spamming. -michi44

Michi44 (talk) 19:55, 24 August 2020 (UTC)