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David Cameron
David Cameron
Leader of the Conservative Party
	In office; 6 December 2005 – 11 July 2016
Chairman	Francis Maude; Caroline Spelman; Eric Pickles; The Lord Feldman of Elstree; The Baroness Warsi; Grant Shapps
Preceded by	Michael Howard
Succeeded by	Theresa May

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Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2020

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Please remove this last sentence from the lead:

He has also been criticised by figures on both the left and right, and has been accused of elitism and political opportunism.

Reason: The word "opportunism" does not occur at all in the body of the article. And "elitism" is briefly mentioned in the article in a balanced manner (Michael Gove jokes that the Tory Cabinet has a "ridiculous" number of Etonians, whereas Michael Mosbacher looks at the historical statistics and disagrees), whereas the lead sentence reflects only Gove's viewpoint. Note that Gove did not go to Eton, was an adopted child raised in Aberdeen by low-income Labour-supporting foster parents, and had designs on becoming prime minister himself - so is hardly a neutral source for Wikipedia when he contrasts himself with his colleagues. 86.133.2.202 (talk) 07:43, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Elitism: This was a very frequent allegation, is backed by that source, is the very point of the source later in the section ^[1], and with just a quick Google search brings up many RS (even Reuters) making or discussing the same statement. This particular article isn't related to Gove. I would personally support that term remaining.

Opportunism: I'm less sure on this. A quick search brings up many opinion pieces on the matter, and I found this in a book (although I recognise this is re the future of Scotland, so there is a bias). I'd recommend further discussion on that point, but wouldn't support removal outright. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 16:07, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/aug/12/uk.conservatives

I appreciate your research, but it does not change the fact that there is a mismatch between the lead and the main text. The lead says "elitism" whereas the main text says "old boy network " (which is corruption, not elitism) versus Cameron pushing through quotas for women and blacks (that makes Cameron non-meritocratic, the opposite of elitism). Even worse problem with "opportunism": This is claimed in the lead, but not backed up at all in the text. To me the final sentence in the Wikipedia lead sounds like an unprofessional afterthought by some novice editor. What stands out for me in Cameron is not these vague politically motivated labels, but that he was the first prime minister to use referenda to resolve disputes (referendum on voting system, referendum on Scotland, EU referendum, and similar to a referendum, public votes on regional police administrators). That is un-British and historically significant.86.140.70.190 (talk) 20:55, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. There appears to be a discussion in this section about the merits of this change. Please note that edit requests should only be made once a consensus has been reached. Please continue this discussion in another section on this talk page and gain a consensus before reopening this request. Thanks. — Tartan357 ^(Talk) 00:05, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Born ...to an ≥upper-middle-class≤ family

"Born in London to an ≥upper-middle-class≤ family" ahahhaha. Um , just no. For every on puff piece by Toby Young describing Camerons class as upper-middle, there will be 5 describing Cameron as an aristocrat. That's a laughable description. Do conservative HQ sign this off or do they just buy in people happy to to tweak content?! I suspect the latter. I am sorry for not assuming good faith. I love Wikipedia but when I see this I worry it is corrupted by those with power. 2A02:C7D:A340:FE00:1522:7FB6:78BD:CC82 (talk) 23:16, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

His father was a stockbroker^[1], not being titled etc. Even though his grandfather was knighted, that would only make it a mix in my opinion. Fixing26 (talk) 15:48, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The general conclusion of this 2015 book by Nigel Cawthorne seems to be that he grew up "in happy upper-middle class surroundings". Martinevans123 (talk) 15:56, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmhansrd/cm100908/debtext/100908-0001.htm#10090819000030

Carlisle Principle

The article Carlisle principle has been proposed for deletion, which is probably sensible, but this catchphrase of Cameron's should be recorded somewhere in Wikipedia, as it had considerable traction in Scotland, albeit briefly. Maybe someone who is familiar with Wikipedia's coverage of Cameron could check it out and see if the information can be incorporated either here or on other related articles. Then the deletion can proceed uncontrovertially. Thanks. --Doric Loon (talk) 17:45, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can a section be added on “Dodgy Dave” and his Unlimited Liability company?

Not in those terms, unless you have an unimpeachable source. Verbcatcher (talk) 16:53, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, how we laughed. Nice one, Beast of Bolsover. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:18, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2021

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Remove lobbyist. 160.5.123.188 (talk) 17:03, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what you mean. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:09, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Can Chairmen of the Conservative Party who served under Cameron be listed in his infobox, as they are with most Leaders of the Labour Party, and many Leaders of the Conservatives? 81.157.224.127 (talk) 09:26, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/aug/12/uk.conservatives

[2] ttps://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201011/cmhansrd/cm100908/debtext/100908-0001.htm#10090819000030

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