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Venkat Pulapaka, The History of Breast Tax, STSTW Media

Venkat Pulapaka (May 17, 2019), The History of Breast Tax and the Revolt of Lower Cast Women in 19th Century Travancore, STSTW Media, clearly is not WP:RS:

"The breast tax or locally known as Mulakkaram, which was prevalent in the Travancore Kingdom, was imposed on Dalit and backward class women. It was especially slapped on Avarna women, who belong to the lower caste. These women were forced to pay a tax on their breasts if they desired to cover their breasts with an upper cloth."
"As the caste system in Kerala of that time was oppressive, people of the lower castes were not entitled to wear any upper cloths."

If I read this exactly, lower class women had to pay the breast tax for the mere wish to cover their breasts; however, they were not allowed to cover their breasts." Shame. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:15, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is just a personal website and automatically fails WP:USERGENERATED, but the article at the end shows the subject is agitated with revisionism when it say: "Though the story of Nangeli’s sacrifice spread across the state, it has no mention in the official history of Kerala.... Also, there is no mention of the breast tax in the book ‘A Hundred Years in Travancore, 1806-1906: A History and Description of the Work Done by the London Missionary Society in Travancore, South India, During the Past Century’. This is a reflection of the official apathy towards a revolt that changed the very caste structure of Kerala today." I agree there is no "mention of the breast tax" because there was no tax on breast and seems to be a recent invention. Dhawangupta (talk) 11:06, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bullshit. There was a 'breast-tax', but it was not a tax to cover the breasts. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:32, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

By saying "there was no tax on breast" I was clearly talking about "a tax to cover the breasts". Dhawangupta (talk) 14:19, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite

I've rewritten the article diff, since the 'breast-tax' was not a tax to cover the breasts, but a head-tax, imposed on all women aged fourteen and older. The idea that the 'breast-tax' was imposed when lower-caste women wished to cover their breasts is contemporary folklore, and untenable; they were not allowed to cover their chests at all untill 1859. Sadly, those editors who wish to delete this article seem to miss this point... Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:25, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

PS: I will solve the syntax-errors; they're probably related to the notes. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:45, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The article certainly needs a better title for now because "breast tax" can be easily misrepresented to mean the contrary to the actual meaning. An immediate solution would be to move the article to "Mulakkaram". Wareon (talk) 14:00, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds reasonable. And what about the/a next step: merging this article to Nangeli, or vice versa? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:31, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nangeli is the main topic while "breast tax" found coverage only after BBC published Nangeli folk legend. Merging necessary parts to Nangeli would be alright. Azuredivay (talk) 17:57, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I expect there are also arguments for the other way round, and for keeping tw distinct articles. But anyway, who's going to open a merger-discussion? Preferably with two questions: 1. Merger? 2. If so, which direction? Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:09, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree too. Dhawangupta (talk) 18:15, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Breast tax is the WP:COMMONNAME and both words are same, so opposing it. The AfD agreed to keep "breast tax". Wareon is striving to go against the tide and move it to Mulakkaram. Start a merger-discussion if you so desire.103.13.229.228 (talk) 05:06, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Breast tax is the WP:COMMONNAME as per above and to a Start a merger-discussion can be started on this as well. Mulakkaram also means Breast tax in Malayalam language and with both words agree with above as to why this change is being done. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:18, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cite error

I've had to move some of the notes into the main text, as they were causing cite errors (see Help:Cite errors/Cite error references group mismatch). This appears to be an issue with defining ref group names inside named ref groups, inside a refgroup list. ActivelyDisinterested (talk) 16:20, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved a couple of them to a note above the reflist. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:02, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

blocked address

This blocked person is vandalising Breast tax.[1].CoachEzhupunna (talk) 13:25, 28 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Adithya kiran chekavar

Travancore kingdom was located inside Malabar Coast. Adithya kiran chekavar created new account (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Malayalee0121&action=edit&redlink=1) again also. He will create new account again and again to delete content if he sees bad for his Thiyya/Ezhava caste pride. Admins block him. Warning: He will come again also. I add new images only. But he will come again to delete it als. He will use many account or address. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoachEzhupunna (talk • contribs) 13:12, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He attempted delete the image https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Tinanweib_von_Malabar.jpg&diff=612603564&oldid=576865107 — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoachEzhupunna (talk • contribs) 13:29, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

He think Thiyya is better than Ezhava and all lower caste. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoachEzhupunna (talk • contribs) 13:36, 9 December 2021 (UTC) CoachEzhupunna why this comment is relevant to this article?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malayalee0121 (talk • contribs) 16:10, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I warned .Malayalee0121 edited this page 14:47, 8 December 2021, 172.103.134.113 edited 14:51, 8 December 2021. 4 min difference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoachEzhupunna (talk • contribs) CoachEzhupunna I understand your frustrations. But the pictures are not related to this article. Why pictures of Thiyyas who have been historically living in Malabar area added to this article which writes about the tax only applicable to historical Travancore state. Travancore, Kochi and Malabar were seperate states until the formation of Kerala state. Also why are you accusing anyone without evidence. Thank you ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malayalee0121 (talk • contribs) 15:42, 10 December 2021 (UTC) Travancore is located inside of Malabar coast and Kerala. It is related because women are stopped to to wear cloths.u hate this because of caste pride only. CoachEzhupunna (talk) 16:38, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]